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Well today, for example, he drove in his 100th RBI of the year, the 5th year he’s done so in a White Sox uniform, which places him third all-time in White Sox history in doing so. Only Paulie (6 times) and Big Frank (10 times) have done it more often as a member of the White Sox. But I digress - what was that you were saying about Alex Rios?

Abreu's second RBI today shows his value. 1st of all, he got the first RBI of the game (Hell, he batted in all of the Sox's runs today). Back on topic. The bases loaded against a young guy throwing 100 mph, less than two outs. You have got to put that ball in play. Anderson with his .330 or so average strikes out on three pitches. Abreu, and experienced veteran not in anyway in decline, gets his bat on a ball and the slow roller to 3rd scores the insurance run. You guys who complain about his bat slowing down and all that BS, that was a great at bat, great: a clear compare and contrast between Abreu and Anderson. Yes, he got lucky, but his skill was putting the ball in play to get lucky. And he will continue being this lucky for years yet. Pay the man: three years and at least 36 million. And if you think the Sox showing a valued warrior the respect and paying him what he deserves will keep them from signing some other free agent, you're just being ridiculous. If you have to reach to that level of fantasy to argue against Abreu's value and why he should not be resigned. You're already lost the argument.

The Dominican Summer League is over for the White Sox. Benyamin Bailey (OF) had a .477 OBP which was 4th best in league history. Johnabiell Laureano (CF) had a .980 OPS and 6 home runs. Manuel Veloz (18, RHP) had a 0.91 ERA over 39.2 innings and surrendered just 7 walks and 0 home runs. Ronaldo Guzman (16, LHP) struck out 13.2 batters per 9 innings.

Sheets walked his first three time up, then popped out, then hit a three run BOMB.

Dude, you're such a blowhard.

Scoring more runs that the opponent wins games. Runs occur, typically, when one batter drives in runners and/or himself. Jose has driven in 100 runs this year, and 72 of those runs were other players. Considering the revolving door of #2 hitters (I'll at least acknowledge that Leury as the lead-off has been consistent) and the lack of OBP by the bottom of the lineup, Jose has been effective in driving in runs. He's #2 in RBIs in the league and 6th in the majors. That's pretty good in my book. He's never been a great first baseman, and he's not getting any better. His walks are way down, and that's taking a toll on his OBP. He's not the same hitter OVERALL as he was. But he's till a run producer and a threat to hit the ball out of the ballpark at any time. For some reason, some fans love to shit on their own. Honestly, though, the population of Abreu haters on this board is probably as low as the Abreu worshipers. I think the majority of us like him and wouldn't mind seeing him around for a couple more years at $12-$14 million a year, especially with him taking on more of a DH role. He certainly still has value, and his value as a leader and mentor cannot be undersold.

I believe your question was what has Jose done that has been great. The answer is simple: he's driven in over 100 runs five times in his career, which places him third in all time White Sox history behind a Hall of Famer who did it ten times and a former All Star who did it six times. Driving in over 100 runs in the Major Leagues is a great feat. Not saying it's the end all, be all for gauging how good a player is, but to drive in more than 100 runs as many times as Jose has is, indeed, a great achievement on his part.

They didn't shed all this payroll to simply become one of the lowest spending teams in the game, either.

When you go out to lunch and there is a line out the door, do the people working there perform as well as when there is one or two people there? Some probably do, and might even kick it up a notch, others become overwhelmed. In my job, there are very busy times. Some people step up, some check out.

And I get where mathmatically it would be very hard to measure due to sample size, and like I mentioned before the randomness of the gaem where sometimes really good ABs have far worse results than bad ones. But it seems to be the industry standard, if it can't be measured, it doesn't exist, and common sense and everyday life makes you know it exists.

To think everyone will perform the same whether the situation is stressful or not, is ludicrous, whether it's baseball, or being an accountant or lawyer or cutting hair. Some people fold, some rise to the occassion when the chips are on the table. The object is to score runs. Jose Abreu has produced a lot of runs for the White Sox with very little help, it's hard to understand how some can't understand that.

Of course you are a guy who though Yonder Alonso was good. Yet if you looked at his advanced numbers, he's pretty much sucked his entire career, save one season. But go on a rant telling me I am stupid and using some slang to call me a girl. The bottom line is you have no idea what you are writing about.

And he has been his whole career, but I still think it’s important to point out his numbers in non-RISP situations are not great and have slowly gotten worse with time. That being said, I love Abreu and think it’s important we bring him back for next couple years if the price is right.

How about a .343/.370/.606 line with RISP?

To argue that RBI's are not important is ridiculous imho.

Comparing Cutler to Sanchez is nonsense. Who would you rather have? Player A: 3.1 INT % 7.1 Y/A 56.9 COM% 1.32:1 TD:INT Player B: 3.3 INT % 7.1 Y/A 62.0 COM% 1.42:1 TD:INT I think anyone would take player B. Player B is Jay Cutler. Player A is John Elway. The issue was Cutler was really bad when he was bad. But in 2010, he was really good, and when he broke his thumb in 2011, the Bears offense was rolling and he was playing great. When Elway was bad, he was average. Those games don't stand out. The really awful ones do, especially when one of them has rings. Even Steve Young, who notoriously HATED Cutler, ranked the Bears #1 in his power rankings in 2011 because of Jay. One of my biggest hot takes ever is that if he's healthy in 2010 and/or 2011, they win at least one Super Bowl.

Good post by vile. For some reason if I wrote this I think I'd be accused of trolling. The post has a cool rhythm to it.

When will these immature athletes learn to drink water like us professional message boarders?

I've been thinking about what I posted in this thread for a while, and really it does me no good to constantly b**** about getting the short end of the stick. Being angry and bitter does me no good, I should just move forward from here and try to make the best of my situation as it exists today.

If the White Sox are competing against the Cubs, Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, Giants, Astros, they are not likely to land that player unless they go well beyond the expected offers and just make an offer that the player would not say no too. I don't think it's likely a player will take a similar offer with the White Sox to grow with the young core if other premier franchises are in the running. I could see them looking at trade options just so they can land a key player who can help next season. I don't know if they will land the top of the free agent class, but I do expect that they will be in the market for a RF/DH (maybe both, but doubtful). They will be looking at the bullpen, but I don't understand the logic that had them giving Herrera the deal (2 years, 18 M) he got when his numbers were declining.. Still, I expect to see another veteran added there. I do think they need a #1 or # 2 type starter, but will this come from free agency or trade? Not sure if it's free agency if the teams mentioned are in on Cole.

Did Fry impregnate the girl that tweeted about him giving her an STD because he was cheating on her or did he have a kid with another girl?

Collins BOMB.

Hard to say. He will definitely be in AAA next season, but can make some noise. I liked him coming out of Wake Forest. I just have a feeling Sox may try and deal from a position they have alot of (1B types) to fill a need.

There are people ITT that believe the Sox will be playing baseball games with a 90 million dollar payroll. Yikes.

It's not contrarian it's more like when have the Sox ever done what we expect them to do ? You and @Chicago White Sox expect them to sign some really good guys but if that doesn't happen what then ? Me and Jack really hope they sign some good guys too that allow the Sox to aim for the playoffs as early as next year. We just want to maximize the strength of the team when the window o[ens and not lessen its strength by guys like Madrigal and Robert who when they do come up next uyear might have an adjustment period as bad as Moncada and as inconsistent as Eloy. Maybe 2020 isn't a playoff year but it had better be in 2021-2023 before Gio and Yo become free agents. Maybe those are your 2 best guys going forward and it would be a big blow to lose them We cannot count on extending them both or even one of them. One of Kopech or Cease really have to reach close to their ceilings to replace him but it would be much better to have all 3 firing on all cylinders together. That's not likely to happen next year. It would also be really nice if Moncada Eloy and Robert can also fire on all cylinders together at some point along with GIo, Kopech and Cease. Could it happen . yes but how likely is it and also that other draft picks develop enough to help and Reinsdorf all of a sudden says signing anyone to big contracts isn't bad business anymore ? Waves of talent get smaller and smaller as the years progress and the Sox get worse draft picks and the talent leaves via free agency while the Sox still don't draft well , develop well , use all their international money or sign expensive free agent contracts. I suppose this off season will tell most of us all we need to know going forward but I wouldn't expect things to go as some of you expect. And I don't mean it will be better than you expect.

Another hazard with Bum, is that he is pitching, not only in the NL, but in an extreme pitchers park.

Call it what you want to call it, but Wheeler has made more starts since 2017 than Bumgarner. He also has much less mileage on his arm and the stuff remains top-end. You’re too focused on the need for a lefty IMO.

They're certainly lacking in that regard but saying they're the worst is an overstatement, IMO. I'm sure that their use of analytics has something to do with the offensive emergence of Moncada and Anderson, as well as the turnarounds by Sheets, Stiever, Luis Gonzalez, and others in the minors. It can't all be luck

Besides that, I'm pretty confident in Giolito and Kopech being TOR starters. they should grab someone like Bumgarner or Wheeler that wouldn't be as expensive. I keep going to Bumgarner because the Sox are absolutely devoid of LHP starter options in the minors.

I'm referring to how you said you were no longer a negative nancy and then declared that the Sox are the worst organization in the league from an analytics standpoint based on a throwaway comment from Nick Madrigal

Also, from this exact thread, 50 hours ago...

So they are a decade behind the Reds, Rockies, DBacks, Royals just to name a few? That is a take based on absolutely nothing.

Joe Crede and Juan Uribe agree wholeheartedly...those guys consistently driving in runners from third and less than 2 outs were just some random lucky dudes.

Cole has an injury history as well. Also, he was fairly mediocre his last two seasons in Pittsburgh before going to Houston and their pitching lab. If you have reservations about all of these guys you should have them about Cole too, given he's going to be the most expensive. I wonder what he'd do away from Houston tbh. I think Cooper's philosophy would hurt his performance.

There is no point in calling up Robert now. If they would have done it at the end of July or early August then it would have made some sense.

I came here to say pretty much all of this. Some people perform better in different situations. Being able to drive in runs is important.

Not so good. But I would rather have a guy a bit better with runners on than the bases empty. The guy produces runs. The Sox don't have many of those. He's been a really good player for the White Sox. I

I wonder if Luck was planning on playing and then got some bad news about his ankle/calf, like he was going to need surgery and a long rehab and was like I'm not doing that again. Great player and fun to watch, it's a shame injuries derailed what was probably going to be a HOF career. Colts should be embarrassed at how much they neglected that OL for years.

Yolmer shouldn’t get more than $2m and for that kind of money I am not opposed to bringing him back. $6m though gets you a decent middle reliever which the Sox definitely need more than a utility infielder.

THAT'S why he didn't give up any "runs"---he didn't have any left.😏

We can hire a clown to perform goofy clubhouse and postgame antics for a fraction of the price

As if Yolmer Sanchez is letting anyone in that club go unhydrated.

Not enough talk about Bryan Ramos on here. Dude is 17 and more than holding his own in the AZL. .277/.353/.415. Solid walk rate, showing good power for his age, K rate is just over 20%. I'll take that profile over DJ Gladney's comically high K rate, for example.

As CWS stated, Cole is younger and is playing at a higher level than Bumgarner, Wheeler (and Strasburg). Thus, he is more certainly going to get more money and more years.

I struggle with this situation. I always show respect. I'm not a big fan of the Anthem at Blackhawk games but it does energize me and I feel the love for America. Everyone on the planet has the freedom to show respect for their country. Stand for the anthem in North Korea or die. So yeah we have the exact same freedom as the rest of the world. So why are we so proud of our "freedoms". Religious freedom? As long as you are Christian. Freedom of speech? Yeah as long as you don't criticize the government or soldiers. Freedom of movement? We're want to wall off part of the United States. Freedom of unlawful search and seizure? If you are innocent why do you need that? Freedom of the press? That's a liberal conspiracy to make Republicans look bad. Freedom to protest? Just don't do it anywhere you will inconvenience anyone. Perhaps protest at home. Yet we talk about how great our freedoms are but don't want anyone else to be free.

See other comments in the thread about winning. People complain about not winning and when they win they complain about the players who played poorly.

Lopez has always been one tough motherfucker...got to love the kid’s heart.

Anybody who thinks we are signing Cole is just in flat out denial at this point

Constant b****ing comes with being a Sox fan. If it wasn't for 2005 we'd be the saddest franchise in the 4 major sports aside from the Cleveland Browns.

It seems they built the wall in El Paso on the wrong side to keep them safe.