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Maybe no one should have been freaking out about less than a month's worth of DSL games fresh off signing a new contract. Really, no one should give a shit about DSL games in general, but certainly not in this context.

A couple more thoughts. I've lived in Los Angeles, Pittsburgh, and Houston markets, and I cannot ever remember a franchise that has gone after their own fans nearly as often as this one. AJ Hinch gets mad when another team throws at his players, our manager swears when people dare question him. I think this tells us a lot about how these guys really are indoors - they really are surrounded by yes men. They go around all day with no one willing to step out of line, to propose anything new, or even to suggest that doing things differently might produce different results. They are so used to it that the only way any criticism leaks through - in the occasional press availability - they blow up at them over and over. Williams, Stone, Renteria, and I'm sure Cooper more than once although we've stopped paying attention to those, and that's all just this season. Rick Renteria has a .423 career winning mark, he is 258-352 as a big league manager. But he's absolutely angry at the concept that he might ever incorporate anything new into his managing style. His GM doesn't push him on that, he doesn't work with him on that, he's just in charge and he's absolutely earned it? That's absolutely not how it works in Houston. If management has something they want to try, they work with Hinch on it, and if Hinch has a problem with it, things stay behind closed doors. When people question AJ Hinch, he explains his thinking, admits sometimes things go wrong, and here's what we'll do about it if needed. It's the same setup as the rest of the franchise - how dare you question us, we are owed your allegiance and your money. Everyone around us has told us we're doing a great job, just you angry folks in the press.

By the collective hive mind doomsayers that love to scream into the void at the slightest sign of adversity.

Abreu will cost 5% of what Moncada will in a few years, that's why JR is happy to say this

He's averaging 11.5 k/s per 9 and has a FIP and ERA of 3.2 in 2019 MLB baseball. After today Giolito should/will be top 5 (6) in pitcher WAR. I'm not sure what is needed to be an ace if that's not one. This isn't even peak giolito either. He's in his first season of MLB success. Edit: and he will have done it in less innings than everyone above him not named Scherzer. Parkman, you should be gloating but now you're ridiculing the guy when he's top 5 in WAR. Weird.

Snell got 5/$50M early this year with the same amount of control and coming off a Cy Young winning season. Severino & Nola got 4/$40 & 4/$45M respectively plus an option year (I believe both were Super 2 guys). Any deal in that range should be a no-brainer for us as long as we buy out at least one free agent year.

Bless u El Rockin. You do realize when I say you are the best Sox fan ever I mean it, right? At least best on a message board ever. You are logical and loyal both IMO.

Guys, calm down. It’s probably just a death threat.

He's in the top ten on fangraphs and bbref before this game even gets logged. You have pretty stringent definitions of ace.

Hey guys! Still think he’s a fluke, a #4, or whatever other hot takes you had?

I remember watching Anderon in his rookie year thinking he was gonna be as good as he looks now. Then he looked average to below average the next couple of years before finally finding it.

"my bad"....lol...fuck him. Twins get that call all day. that guy sucks behind the plate.

I can't stand the guy. Someone test him for PEDs ASAP.

With virtually no protection.

Just want to point out that since August 5th Abreu is now hitting (including 2 singles today in 2 at bats) .381/.437/.698/1.135 in his last 71 plate appearances.

I don't like Rick Hahn but he has been fantastic at this.

@vilehoopster would be handing Ricky a lifetime contract after these comments if he was the owner

If it's only two years that's manageable and I could get behind it (I'd personally prefer 1 yr + 1 option)...Anything beyond that wouldn't be ideal.

Not when it’s such a small sample and you’ve been away from live pitching for an extended period of time.

You don't think that sucking in the DSL has context?

Great posts on Abreu BuehrleWood.

Glad to see Scooter join my unofficial Abreu fan club. I loved this post.

Cordell was sent down. Safe to assume Moncada will be back tomorrow.

He had a problem throwing strikes again for about 5 starts and it was also coupled with diminished velocity iirc. It wasn't bad but he dropped to like 91-93 instead of 93-96 and was missing his spots with every pitch. I'm almost glad he stumbled a bit because it showcased his new found mental toughness. Just awesome to see.

Barring injury, with two more seasons, and even with some decline in production, Jose will likely land in the top 5 All Time White Sox for home runs and RBIs, and top ten all time for doubles and total hits.

I mean, a gag reel of Trubisky throwing left went viral like a week ago.

I've long ago learned not to argue what an "ace" is and isn't on a baseball board. Some of the most pedantic dead end conversations anywhere around. I happen to believe there are only about 3-6 aces at any given time in MLB. For me that's what it is, and it's relative. He's a helluva pitcher and a great story and a very positive development.

95% of the takes on this thread are that he is a strong #2 with some inconsistency because he is still young. Yet every bad Gio game we get "HAHAHA I CAN"T BELIEVE YOU IDIOTS THOUGHT HE WAS A HALL OF FAMER LOOOOL" and every good Gio game we get "HAHAHA I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU IDIOTS THOUGHT HE WAS A SHITTY 5 AT BEST" Is anyone even reading the thread? Who are ya'll even arguing with?

Ouch, brain fart. I wanted to release the beast that is the mighty Yermin! Yeah this was rather obvious.

If its called "Park Life", I have same book. Lots of great pics of fans at the games. I will give credit to the Chairman and Einhorn there, they really did spruce it up when they took over.

lmao, jfc. Rickie is a nice guy but he's a simpleton.

There is no reason to believe the Sox would sign Abreu for only one year. 3-5 years is my hope

Just go year-to-year from here on out.

Cool. I hope this is true.

I am totally cool with Abreu sticking around, but for the love of Jesus do not over pay the man. 2 years $18M-20M with a $10M team option for a third year is the MAX he should be getting.

Love 2 see Twins suck

Doctor Giolito performing surgery on this Twins lineup.

Best hand and wrists I've ever seen. I say it all the time, but my goodness is it a pleasure to watch.

From a production standpoint, it would be impossible to be critical of abreu if the guy goes 35/120. RBI's dont matter for projection so they have little value on the future, but you can't take away what he accomplished this year regarding run production.

I like Abreu, but Moncada is the type of player that you say this about, not Abreu.

Another abreu rbi. Inching closer to 100

Never going to happen. They’ve got a pitching coach who refuses to adopt any semblance of modern pitching thought, and had an announcer that ranted about some stupid ass TWTW and they seemed to love him. I can’t believe this never came up, but I’m convinced the whole Manny friends and family plan had it’s roots in signing-Thome-will-get-us-Konerko-back. I’m fully convinced they thought “hey, it worked before”. This organization has demonstrated no capacity for forward thinking.

Definitely this. Every time I start to think maybe I’m just being too critical someone does/says something that reminds me how far they are from being an elite organization. I swear they’re trying to piss me off.

More than not following it...they are angry at the concept that people might want them to. They look at the Astros, Dodgers, Red Sox, and say "you're bleeping doing it wrong!".

I still am interested to hear how the Sox plan on competing with this Twins team the next few years. Their offensive talent is insane, and they have a lot of open payroll also going forward and arguably a better farm system.

How is Castillo still on the team? He is so unbelievably bad. How freaking hard is it to call up Mercedes and Collins and get rid of Skole and Castillo?

Anyone (Cordell, Engel) would be a better option than Jay right now. The season is over and Jay will not be back. Why waste at bats on him?

*suspended