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I don't get the consternation about investing the entire draft into 2 guys. In a good year, the Sox draft, what, 4 interesting guys plus a couple of college players we talk ourselves into liking because we're fans? It seems to me like we got the appropriate amount of players by cutting the slotted rounds in half... I don't pay much attention to other teams, so maybe everybody else (without comp picks) drafted 5 rounds of worthwhile players?

Sunday sounds like it opens the UDFA signings period.

The Venn diagram of people who vociferously celebrate the sacrifices that our military and public safety personnel have made and still make (which is perfectly fine with me), and the people who refuse to make the comparatively minuscule sacrifice of wearing a mask inside public spaces or follow some simple social distancing guidelines (which is moronic, selfish and dangerous), is a fucking concentric circle. Which is it you nincompoops? Should Americans make sacrifices for our national good, or not? Shit just pisses me off right now because by most accounts, if we could just get 90% of Americans to wear masks and maintain social distance in certain (not even all!) public spaces, along with some protections for vulnerable populations (long term care, some pre-existing conditions), we could probably have like 99% of all businesses back to business now AND have a lot fewer deaths. Alas, apparently for those "patriots", being asked to wear a mask in some public spaces for a few months is an affront to their warped and fact-free interpretations of their Constitutional rights. So instead we are stuck in this uneven, patchwork state of affairs in 50 different modes of operation, playing virus whack-a-mole, with a moribund economy that will take far too long to recover AND a lot more death than is necessary. For that quarter or so of the population (just wild-ass guessing the ratio here) this applies to - the ones willing to shoot themselves in the foot (slow the economic recovery they so desire) and then fire another shot into the air above a crowd (refusing to wear a mask) 'cause it's their freedoms - fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

WTF is with the owners???? They're sending the same proposal over and over again in disguise. They're not engaging in good faith negotiations. They have to give a little. I think the players will give a bit if they actually negotiate.

Perhaps because the word fuck has so many wonderful diverse uses and the word 'b!**h' has a long hateful sexist misogynist history literally, implicitly, and or connotatively? But thats just my guess.

And we thank them for that. They are the bessssssssssssssssssss

This 2021 draft will be the last under the current CBA. In the new CBA, I certainly hope there is the addition of tradeable draft slots. Also I think the overslot/underslot crap should go away. Everyone gets slot, no more and no less, and you can trade the slots. Make it easy. Bump up the values in the 2nd round so it's not such a precipitous drop pick to pick from 1 overall to the end of the 2nd round.

I think they should consider lockIng in the draft order regardless.

So we got 2 guys who have decent chances to become ace material SPs. Excellent draft. I'd normally be happy to only get 1 guy like that in a draft.

Hopefully we are picking 30th.

If Kelley is the man, punting on the 3rd and 4th round is well worth it. Go look at the Sox drafts the past 25 years. Not much from the 3rd or 4th round. Not much from any round really, except for Sale and TA. Hopefully, Vaughn and Madrigal and now Crochet change that. You can question if Crochet was a good pick. Some have doubts about Kelley, but IMO, the plan was pretty solid. If they got the right guys, they deserve a ton of praise.

Crochet is the most interesting pick. With a full season he could have been a top 3 if he pitched a whole season like he had started this one, or he could have been a mid-round pick if he had fallen back to his freshman and sophomore years output. I think Kelley probably has the same ranking, but maybe a team is willing to take a chance on him higher if they seem dominate another HS season. There is a real possibility that if 2020 had been played out both Kelley and Crochet were off of the board before we picked. Of course that would have meant someone else slides, but it is an interesting counterfactual to imagine.

Isn’t the fact that he didn’t use a breaking ball much in high school a good thing? I’m no expert but I’ve heard that throwing a lot of breaking balls at a young age can be detrimental for pitchers. We also have the advantage that Kelley wasn’t used and abused by his high school coach because of the pandemic.

I think this draft worked out amazing for the White Sox and I have absolutely no complaints. Realistically, the White Sox just added two guys that you could argue should've been Top 12 picks. I also like that they're on completely different timetables. Crochet should be a quick-to-the-majors kind of guy. I would imagine that the organization would like to have him on the big league roster in 2022. Kelley is only 18 and was arguably the best high school player in the draft. He will have a ton of time for development and will most likely be on the same trajectory as Thompson and Dalquist. That is an impressive trio on the rise together.

1. Robert 2. Vaughn 3. Kopech 4. Madrigal 5. Kelley 6. Crochet 7. Dunning 8. Stiever 9. Thompson 10. Dalquist I drip at the sight of all that SP.

I was hoping to invest more in outfield talent, but yeah, can't pass this kind of talent up. He's launching heat seekers like he works at NORAD.

In all seriousness, this would be ideal...and pretty major, excellent way to add talent/sustain the farm

Huh, but I thought we punted on the last 3 picks and our draft was a waste? I could've sworn I heard how we did this draft all wrong, surely you must be mistaken.

Have the players made any proposal yet that was at less than full prorated dollars? I see it as the players being greedy here.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ I am not sure where your charts are being made up from but in terms of COVID deaths per million Sweden 481 Finland 59 Norway 45

to be fair that was a single thread and literally everyone laughed at the person who made it (and every pitcher promptly got tommy john)

The swear filter is weird since we changed the site's interface. I tried to change Fernando Tatis Jr. to Voldemort last year to no avail. It was setup and everything, but did not work.

It's not Manfred per se. It's the owners sticking to their number. Now the question Manfred who works for the owners not the players will need to answer is what is the best for the game? Letting the players have their full prorated salary or let the owners lose money. He has said he hopes they work it out but will institute the season with a certain number of games. My guess it will about 54 , if there is no deal.

With a 29-30 man roster and a short spring, no earthly reason to have any pitchers going every 4th day, even with the DH games. Add in Rodon and Kopech at the least. Then if you get in trouble somewhere, you have plenty of guys to put out in the bullpen as needed for short outings. What will be more interesting is if we see some guys like Dunning or Crochet held as part of the "backup players" or whatever they're called.

Good to have a solid amount of options. Especially at the possibility of doubleheaders (regardless if scheduled or not).

This draft definitely feels like a Rick Hahn "diversify my risk portfolio" move. When he had a bunch of top flight talent from trades, he drafted a bunch of meh depth pieces. Now that much of that talent is graduating, he seems to be after more upside risk.

One thing I've been pondering for the last day...with so many different guys signed for 5+ years or covering positions for 6+ with arbitration, how much do the White Sox need "Depth"? If the Royals came away from this draft with 4 2-3 WAR players, that's a really good draft for the Royals. If the White Sox came away with that, they basically will have to trade a bunch of those guys because either they're going to be stuck on the bench or in the bullpen, and teams don't give up all that much in trades for guys who could be good but not great big leaguers, even if they have years of control. What the White sox need is top flight guys, guys who can come in and take a spot at the top of the rotation or be traded for a guy like that. So maybe, because they have so many players already under control, swinging for the fences on every pick they can make is an especially correct move for them?

When you watch the draft on TV, it's hard to really put things in the proper perspective. Most of these guys will never sniff AAA let alone the big leagues. But you watch their highlights, all the pitchers throw close to 100. All of them have nasty breaking balls. All the hitters can hit it a mile, or at least will project to. They all seem capable of winning a gold medal at the Olympics with their speed. The fact is, compared to other professional baseball players, the vast majority really don't stand out. I must of heard 3 or 4 times last night, "you could put this guy in a major league bullpen right now". OK, but not if you want to win.

It is a good thing, that's my point. Although physically throwing breaking stuff around sophomore seems to be the best. This is why I think he is in a good situation. People point out he is physically developed and has no room to grow. His dominant high school stats are also viewed as a negative because he was physically advanced. however he did it without the breaking ball.I think he can grow as a pitcher by adding that breaking ball.

the teams I think had better drafts had something in common: comp picks. Considering we only had 5 and a modestly good position at 11 I think getting two guys the sox may have well rated top 15 or 20 is a pretty good plan. Now it was a deep draft. And it may be one of those ones where in a few years we look at each round saying "we could have had X!" if neither dudes pan out. But would much rather sox go hard for top talent than when we actively wanted to get already cheap talent for even cheaper.

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I think his injury risk is lower than most high school pitchers for the reasons stated above. As far as if he will learn how to pitch to higher competition, that's a crapshoot. He didn't really use a breaking pitch much in HS so that's where his development really lies.

This is why so many high school pitchers flame out. Some grow into it, some don't. Some try to throw to hard and aren't physically ready and wreck their arms.

The Sox could have a strong crop of young pitchers coming up from the pipeline in the next 3-4 years, I like it.

The Sox really haven't drafted high school arms to the extent that they have a track record to measure them by. Though with the two they got last year, and now Kelley this year, that will be something put to the test.

Tyler Danish. I think he's a guy they got too hung up on the performance. If I remember correctly I think he only gave up 1 earned run all season and had a crazy H/IP and BB/K ratios. Stats lie especially in HS.

I may be missing the context of your post but you may be crazy. There is no way in hell he is better then TA or Baez in 2 years.

Putting pre-debut injury risks aside.... Does the fact that a guy like Kelley already has MLB caliber stuff and body help mitigate some of the risk? When people bring up his "now" body, that's usually a knock on him. Why wouldn't you want the guy who is guaranteed to have the right size over the guy you hope grows into that? There is a very good chance he is already maxed out which means he has to maintain his stuff for a long period of time while learning a breaking ball and improving his command neither of which are close to MLB caliber. It is much more likey that his stuff will back up during that time which is why teams look for projectable bodies that continue to get bigger and stronger. You want players who continue to get better and build up to the big leagues. Mick Abel is a perfect example of that.

Going to the dentist also more fun.

Howard should choose to go to college.

In a completely messed up year I think going top heavy makes the most sense.

Don't forget @peavy44

excited to see us draft @fathom, @SoxAce and @hi8is with our remaining three picks

Also this

I agree w the commish. . On June 19, Nippon Professional Baseball will open its pandemic-delayed season, roughly three months late, commissioner Atsushi Saito told an online press conference https://jballallen.com/npb-goes-viral-season-to-start-on-june-19/

Fans just don't understand how comps work. It's not a statistical comparison. They're not saying this guy is going to have the same exact career as this guy. It's a comparison of his tools and talent level. His body looks like him, he hits like him, he throws like him, etc. They're saying if everything comes together this is who he can be. Baseball people understand it's very rare for everything to come together because baseball is a really really hard game to play and a lot of shit happens along the way to making it to the big leagues and staying there.

I wonder how he feels about collared jerseys. ?

Little disappointed that’s it’s pronounced like the sewing activity. I thought it was Crotch-it. This is borderline dealbreaker for me.