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Nick Madrigal hits a homer

Rub one out brother and life will be better

Jfc why even speak this out loud

Lol...nothing better than the douche on the message board who basically defends every decision their favorite team makes because those in charge are “professionals” while the rest of us are just some “dudes” on the internet. Why the fuck are you here if debating actual baseball decisions is not acceptable in your mind? I’m sensing a strong Tommy Longo vibe with you.

Yes, it's brilliant to have a guy on the team because he's so good you can't play service time games with him and risk losing games because of his lost value.... only to sit that player on the bench opening day. Brilliant stuff.

White Sox are World Series contenders White Sox are World Series White Sox are World White Sox are White Sox Weed

At what point does everyone realize that these are literally just this emoji in twitter form:

Daniel Palka hits a 3 run bomb for the Tigers to walk it off against Liam Hendriks to pull the Tigers within 18 games of the PaleHose on 9/21/21.

Some grim predictions in this thread lol

Hendriks leads the league in saves Bummer leads the league in holds Mendick replaces Lamb, Dances for Dubs resumes for the rest of the season, ladies everywhere (plus @ron883) swoon uncontrollably

I’m willing to bet that this bullpen is LaRussa saying he needs those guys now and getting his way. They’re going to wind up with both him and Crochet having pitched 60 innings this year and realize next offseason they can’t easily convert either of them to starters with that innings load.

I still absolutely loathe this plan with Kopech. Dude should not in the majors and he should not be pitching out the pen.

Thanks for citing me. One thing I don't do as a poster very often is get into back and forth with another poster. I did some with RayRay Sun earlier this offseason, but when you get into parsing what someone said arguments, it's pointless for everyone else reading the site and just clutters things up. I come off here as very optimistic, but mostly I'm just excited to see this Sox team play and get better. The question of the title of this thread cannot be answered about this Sox team yet, because there are too many young and inexperienced pieces. But ask it again in September and we should have a much clearer answer.

Some of us warned about the injury prone core players and how the Sox did absolutely nothing to insulate themselves this offseason. The thing that sucks about Eloy getting hurt so soon is there’s nothing to guarantee more injuries don’t also occur.

lol we fire one manager who sucks at making lineups because he's stuck in the 90s and hire another manager who sucks at making lineups because his hayday was in the 90s.

I went back and forth with you, giving examples of players from both the White Sox and Yankees on why your “logical premise” was insanely ignorant and WRONG. So you say you deal in only logic, but when someone calls you on, proves your point was based on complete idiocy, and you admit you were wrong...we’re all just supposed to be Ok we had to go through that exercise? No, it was a waste of time then, just like you’re a waste of time now. It’s same shit with you, over and over again. You beat your drum on how all you do is deal in “logic” but when someone calls you on it...we’re attacking your character and not your actual points. But history shows you’re just a liar and that’s not what happened at all. Don’t make me quote the posts to prove it. You’ll look like a bigger clown than you already are, which would be an impressive feet even for you. But you know what? You win. You pulled me once again. I know you aren’t worth the time, but my weakness is low hanging fruit and you provide it up on a platter. Sometimes I take the bait, and that’s my bad. I need to do a much better job of ignoring the trash.

Did you say Sox tie?

The "negative" posters most times aren't wrong. The "positive" posters most times aren't wrong. I can read Ragah and VaFan ( just 2 random examples, don't beat me up!) and know that I fall somewhere in between and don't feel the need to call either one of them out for being more positive or more negative than me. I think we can all agree that ownership and the front office have been less than perfect over the years, and maybe this year even moreso than others. I think we can all agree that this team is not perfect. There are strengths and weaknesses, alot of coulda woulda shouldas, arguably the most loaded and exciting we've had in years. Can't we all just get along?

If you say so.

Now when you say "logic".....you mean saying the Yankees will be much better than the Sox because "they are the Yankees" I know you desperately want to bang the "logic" drum but it's hard to take that seriously when you read the content of your "arguments" You're so full of shit.

Eloy wins MVP. Yes you read that correctly, he's just that good when he comes back.

You mean the guy who put up a 3.57 era from 2011-2018? Or the guy who put up the exact same 3.57 era from 2019-2020? I’m confused here

Jerry sells the team to Mark Cuban and he moves the team to Havana................................

The boldest part of this is Verlander being on the mound in July.

No one is policing anything. I'm literally giving my opinion on the topic same as I do in other threads I respond too. He keeps making the same thread because he's tired of people responding with their thoughts? Weird stuff. Also I'm not killing anyone's optimism and I'm as excited as anyone here for baseball to start. I played the game for 19 years, 21 if we count touching a bat at 3 months lol, and play in about 20 fantasy leagues, maintain my own data and statistics, and overall love baseball. Tim anderson is my favorite player since Joe crede, if not ever, and I'm as big of an Andrew vaughn Stan as you'll find. That doesn't mean I'm going to only reap praise on the team even when there are concerns. Either way, once tomorrow comes all of this goes away. It's time to play ball.

No, and again I've posted plenty of excited/optimistic thoughts, this off season and before. I'm just not going to call the white sox the on-paper preseason cream of the crop in the AL. They COULD have been, but they didn't invest the necessary resources. And again, last year when the season actually happened I was constantly berated for being optimistic and enthusiastic and I don't recall once you coming into a thread to defend my optimism in the face of constant negativity. Weird. This implication that my thoughts are constantly negative couldn't be more nonsensical but it all revolves around the idea that posters should post what you want them too.

This is a flat out lie and clearly you are oblivious. It has happened and happened very often, including in this very thread. If someone is being analytical and dissecting something and another is merely complaining that the other person is being negative because the analysis isn't being done to promote positivity, then the latter person is not being logical. They are just complaining. People like yourself mock the people that cite logic because people really hate it when you use logic against them and burn their egos. Period. I'm not talking about anything according to me. I'm talking about the way things objectively are in this case. I could care less what someone *thinks* 2 plus 2 is. It's 4 and always will be. If you disagree because you don't know math then that is not my problem. Complain all you want, but in reality it's futile. You are claiming that something that happens on a clockwork basis doesn't happen at all. It's hysterical. And it's a two way street. People constantly making new topics to promote blind loyalty and "positivity" is also a dead horse being beaten. Because if you constantly have to do that then it tells me you're not as confident as you lead on, otherwise it wouldn't have to be restated (reposted) over and over again.

Jerry convinces La Russa to drive one of the Chevy convertibles during the Opening Day ceremonies to prove he is a changed man. Tony loses control of his Camaro ejecting Southpaw before crashing into the visitor dugout ultimately injuring Salvy Perez. Gene Honda drops a hard F-Bomb on the PA, lights a cig and continues on with the introductions while La Russa is yelling something about Nick Madrigal. Angel Hernandez ejects Tony for lowering his mask to scream. Thunderstruck.

86 and 2nd.

Moncada MVP

Sox win the World Series by beating the Padres 4 games to none !! Tatis and Machado are held hitless . Reinsdorf gives Soxtalk the finger !

Jose Ruiz is our best reliever

Boldest part of that prediction is the Tigers staying close enough that the Sox need to use their closer.

It's absurd because it's not real. That hasn't happened here. You can't cite a single of instance of anyone actually believing that. Someone complaining about you or other posters just beating the same dead horse over and over about the same points is quite different than people objecting to critical points around the team. For example, I have plenty of gripes about how this organization has performed over the last decade plus, and have posted them....multiple times. It's also not the only content I post. The majority of my posts are not responding to people saying "According to me, your logic is flawed and that makes you ignorant, here is why I'm right and the Sox aren't as good as you think they are." When that type of content seems like it's the majority of what comes from a certain poster.....that's where the objection comes in.

Crochet I guess I am ok with what they are doing. He is such a weapon out of the pen and I am still not convinced he is a SP moving forward, so I can understand why you wouldn't want to "waste" those innings in the minors. However, I hope they plan to have him piggyback Rodon on games Carlos doesn't pitch well but Sox are still in. They need to get Crochet to at least 80-100 innings this year if he has any chance of being in the rotation next year. Kopech? I have absolutely no idea what they're doing and I hate it. They can't possibly think that Rodon/Lopez is going to get them through the season in the 5 spot. I hope this is merely a way to control Kopech's innings, and he'll be starting games by mid summer. We need him starting games down the stretch. But this whole plan is dumb - he should be making short AAA starts until June to keep his innings in control and then call him up. This pen stuff is trash.

QFT. I really don't understand the widespread lack of logic and basic analysis around here. None of these things are hard to put together. The idea that you can't be critical of something being done poorly and love the team is such absurdity.

Hmmm who is more likely to fill their holes by acquiring quality players via money at the deadline. The team that's done it every year for 4 decades or the team who has the 15th ranked payroll in baseball during an all-in year?

How was he burned? Top free agents are not the same as bottom. No one gets burned waiting out the bottom of the market. Again with this nonsense that people expect management and ownership to do what they said they would after 4 years of tanking are some how trolls. I guess you expected a payroll lower than 2006 while they're all-in after years of not spending a dime on the on the field product. The only trolls are the people like you who think viable criticism is somehow not allowed and all we can do is praise a team and management group that has accomplished nothing. The cubs weren't getting into a bidding war over Joc Pederson. Bottom freee agents don't cause bidding wars. Nothing you said makes any sense. The la russa hiring was shit - both process and outcome wise. Nothing will change that. How can you say no one can critique hahns negotiating lol. Amazing nonsense in this post all around.

I understood it before, but now with the 3 batter rule it shouldn't be as needed. Also, if you're carrying 8 (or more) relievers, you shouldn't really need a mop up guy with that deep of a pen. Maybe a couple guys who could go about 2 innings at a time if needed, but not necessarily a guy designated for the role. Just leave camp with the best 8 relievers.

? yes this is always an issue to your second point, as I have stated before it isn't negativity for me, it is constant negativity harping the exact same points in multiple threads and starting arguments regarding those same points. When multiple posters point out that one poster is dragging threads down, it's a problem. We don't demand saccharine sweetness here, just try and talk to people sometimes rather than tell them they are wrong every chance you get.

I keep telling myself we aren't dumb enough to not fill out this roster to ensure a legit title run, but then they amaze me. I hope that we bring someone in once Collins and Lamb flop that can provide some Eloy relief.

Two things that come front of mind while reading this thread: 1. These so-called "new posters" seem to come with built-in knowledge and experience and prejudices on this site. I wonder who they were before they got banned, now that they've come back to this site. 2. I'm of the mind that yes, we can be optimistic about this teams chances. I also think that we can be colored by this orgs failures in the past, as well as their failures to fix very fixable flaws. It really ain't that hard. If you want nothing but positivity, and Thought Police-enforced sacchariney-sweet happiness, here you go: Your Home For Mindless Posìtivity

Their path is no more predictable than the Sox and you know it. None of what you have said has disproven his point that they have tons of question marks, just like the Sox one team has a predictable path and they are in LA

Severino is coming off TJS, he first threw off a mound two weeks ago. Andujar has nothing to do with them constantly losing production from Lemahieu Judge and Stanton being injured all of the time, or Voit now. Honestly those two names do nothing to refute his point

Hahn may be the worst executive ever but he is far from a bad negotiator. He was burned with prolonging the process into the spring in the past. Joc may have gotten the Sox and cubs into a bidding war and made more money. Seems like Joc and his agent are the one's that was burned but that doesn't fit the White Sox are cheap Hahn sucks narrative of the self loathing sector of Soxtalk. This thread is the culmination of a long and for some reason dreary Soxtalk offseason that saw Soxtalk clamoring for them to spend money then piss and moan about the money that was spent previously. Trade for veterans and take on money then tell everyone that Dane Dunning is the next Shane Bieber. I am still waiting for Tim Anderson to demand a trade because the manager is a right wing lunatic. The veteran catcher that had a great spring was released to open two opportunities for young players, the years of service game was once again not a part of the White Sox business model but yet here we are again pissing and moaning in the thread that was created to talk about the potential of the White Sox. I really think this site is more trolls than fans or maybe White Sox fans really just do hate the White Sox.

There isn't anyone on this current roster that can or will compensate for Eloy's loss of offense production. And of course Reinsdorf won't be proactive and aggressive and look elsewhere. It ain't in him. The goal is second place and keep the base thirsty and teased. Lordy, I'll be glad when the Reinsdorfs and the McCaskeys are gone. Eloy is a DH. That's been crystal clear from all the time he lost due to his outfield misadventures last year. This organization (fragile egos and all) has to face that reality or risk destroying his career. The Sox won the Q trade. They can put that to bed. Cease may be on track for a breakout season. Eloy is not, nor will he ever be a competent defensive player. If he was, it would have taken a hell of lot more than Q to have landed both him and Cease. Ironically, had St. Theo signed him for an AL team, Eloy would be the DH. If Eloy makes it to Cooperstown, it will be because of his bat. However, I have my doubts this doofus front office will allow him to even make it through a season unscathed.

He was DFA earlier in the day when Lamb was signed.

Bauer's fb spin averages 2300 rpm . Cease just spun a heater at 2600 ?

If Cease and Rodon pitch like this in the regular season then I will forever hate Don Cooper

Leury Garcia is (or should be) your LF. The ONLY place this organization has any semblance of depth is in utility infielders. It makes the most sense to just hand Mendick the IF innings Leury would have gotten, and Remillard or Sanchez is the the next man up. Vaughn is penciled in for regular ABs as DH already; you aren't adding his bat to the lineup by sticking him in LF. Putting Vaughn in LF just gives Collins more ABs as DH, and while Collins is surely a better hitter than Leury, Vaughn is just as surely a way worse defender in the OF simply by virtue of his terrible footspeed. When you factor the increased chance of injury to Vaughn and the potential negative effect on his bat from the of stress/distraction of learning a position he isn't physically suited to play, I think Leury as a starter is the clearly correct choice. Don't worry, I'm not happy about it either.