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This has nothing to do with politics, this is about basic human decency. That you see this as “political“ tells a lot about you. As a son of a black father and as someone who is very visible black who had to deal with this bullshit. I have zero patience for people handwaving racist ass remarks:;. I have the following to say to you: Go pound sand and use this time to reflect that this shit isn’t about you or partisan politics.

I don't know why I still read comments on social media posts, but I do, but even the first 50 comments on most local news posts about this are variations of "what if Donaldson called himself Babe Ruth and Tim teased him about that? Is that racist??? Should a player be suspended for calling Mike Trout the new Mickey Mantle???" People are either that dumb or trying so hard to not understand this. Shut up and listen. Be willing to see other perspectives.

It definitely was. Josh Donaldson was using the name "Jackie" to get under the skin of one of MLB's most prominent African American stars - which isn't a big list to begin with. And because people keep bringing up the 2019 article, I'm gonna bring it here so people can read the passage: So TA was talking about changing the game to make it more fun, but also more appealing to Black kids in America. And he's saying this after taking kids from the ACE program to see 42. TA knows better than most of us the weight his words carry and he damn well knows better than Josh Donaldson. Donaldson may be too stupid to know what he said was racist, but at the core of it, the only reason TA's original comments happened are because he's a Black star in today's game. Corey Seager isn't going to compare himself to Jackie, because he doesn't need to carry that legacy like TA does. If Donaldson called Seager "Jackie," that's just fucking stupid. Calling TA, who does have to carry that legacy and is trying to make the game more appealing to Black kids - we know this because of his words and actions - as a taunt, is racist because he's trying to belittle everything TA has gone through to get here and is trying to do. Plus, it's been 3 years since the damn article, so Donaldson's just being a dick.

I'm not surprised you missed the point; the reporting/coverage of the game is a part of baseball's problem. People like Jon Heyman are a part of the problem. Also not shocked to see you being a person who views black people as a singular being who all share the same likes, interests and following. I guess JRW should have redistricted their kids like plenty of teams I grew up playing with and against did, huh? It's not wrong, anyone who actually played high level baseball or on very good little league teams knows that what JRW did was certainly not out of the ordinary in that world. They just happened to be the one team held accountable. Anyone who asks "do you know any black people" as a rebuttal to a conversation likely isn't someone worthy of continuing the discussion further with. Based on your past posts here on topics such as this, I'd be lying if I said I was surprised though.

These are the people telling on themselves. Why are they mad at TA and not, yknow, the guy who actually called it racist in Tony.

Rule of thumb, when Curt Schilling is on your side, you're probably on the wrong side.

Stand up for your racist coworker? No fucking way. I don't care if it's a corner bodega, a Fortune 500 company, or a baseball team, that crap shouldn't be tolerated anywhere. I have respect for Boone and Judge for being decent human beings.

So far the only two Yankees to speak out buried their teammate. You don't see that very often at all.

The idea that this should not "beat a dead horse" is my main problem here. There should be powerful disincentives to be a racist in society. Letting this quietly drop is the absolute worst way to handle this. It should be more than a "footnote". Look, anytime the phrase "cancel culture" enters the lexicon here as a negative for social good, I am going to have a problem with it. Like it or not, "cancel culture" has existed for all of humanity. When you do something so utterly unpalatable, there is a price to pay for it. 60 years ago, something like being black and eating at a white person's lunch counter would get you "canceled" by the friendly neighborhood watch organization via hanging from a tree, or getting beaten within inches of your life as a "warning". We cancelled people for wanting equal education, equal workplace opportunity. We cancelled people for wanting to live in the good and insurable neighborhoods, the ones you were allowed to get mortgages for. We cancelled people for being the wrong religion by not letting them into the good clubs and organizations. We cancelled people for wanting to sit to near the front of the bus. We cancelled people for wanting to marry the wrong people, loving the wrong race, same sex, or any other "acceptable" standard. We have the sane people screaming about "Cancel Culture" out here today wanting to cancel Disney for not being for legalized forms of discrimination, and any member of their own party who isn't acting sufficiently loyal to said party. We have used the power of cancellation forever, and it ONLY became a problem when the people of power then became subject to a fraction of the standards that those who were blocked from power had. Yeah, I am not going to feel sorry for Josh Donaldson getting run through the public wringer for a while, nor will I feel back for the next Josh Donaldson.

Black men always have the spotlight on them and have to be some sort of "upholder of their race" or some shit which is something us white dudes really don't have to ever think about. TA has done about as well as you possibly can on and off the field in his efforts to promote baseball and promote the success of under privileged kids. We are lucky to have him as a player on the team we all love and a guy like Donaldson knows nothing, about TA, about what he means to Chicago and what it means to be a black man in America. He can fuck off.

I saw a clip earlier this year where Harper talked about the possibility of signing with the White Sox. He mentioned specific players by name and said it would have been exciting to play with them. He loved the idea of being a great athlete in Chicago and playing for a team with a robust farm system on the cusp of winning. It was painful to watch. He was the perfect player to add to this era of White Sox teams and like always Jerry/Hahn/KW fumbled the ball.

Great oppo for Burger to take over CF. Blessing in disguise.

I hope he survives

This is honestly pretty hilarious. Way to have it both ways. No matter what you are the poor victim here.

What gives you the right? How can you ignore how this was received by TA and the majority of black folks, even those wearing the same pinstripes as Donaldson? You are aggressively ignorant if you can't just shut up and listen to what people different than you have to say about the subject.

Nobody was cancelled or threatened with cancellation ?

On the other hand if you didn’t set up this roster with Josh Harrison and Leury as your two big offseason additions then the manager wouldn’t be using them daily.

I really wanted the Sox to step up and sign that superstar when they had the chance and instead they did that bullshit dance with Machado and their own fan base.

Since 2/3 threads on this subject have now been locked after a moderator’s opinions were challenged, will this one be too? If so, can we clarify that political discussions are allowed on here, but only if you take the “correct” position? or can we go back to not talking about politics on a baseball website now.

Does it really matter what my intent was if I hurt you? You are still hurt, yes? Pain was still inflicted upon you. Why do you feel the need to defend Donaldson at all here? Why does he need protection from being called racist and being punished for something he admitted to doing? Why are you not defending TA, a Black man who has to deal with micro aggressions every single day of his life simply for existing in a white world? Why are you not more interested in understanding why Tim, your self professed favorite player, felt the way that he did?

Bravo. It's one thing for people to not understand the context of this and need it explained to them. It's a wholly different thing to have it thoughtfully explained to you numerous times and continually choosing to ignore it.

Well said

There's a huge pile of evidence that Donaldson is the closest thing to a "clubhouse cancer" that you'll find in MLB these days. Nobody seems to like the guy, not even his own team mates. And when you get guys talking to this degree about stuff that is usually kept outside the media and fans' purview it's usually for an extraordinary reason -- Donaldson just is that big of an asshat.

You realize part of the reason baseball doesn't appeal to young black kids is because of marketing and how the game has gate keepers like this moron: Meanwhile, basketball and football market and appeal to young black kids and also go well above and beyond regarding access and cost. Also, we need not look any further than Jackie Robinson West to know that the treatment of black kids in little league/travel baseball is no where near equal to that of the treatment of all white kids/teams. Unless you think it's just a massive coincidence that the one out of district recruiting forfeiture happened to take place in a poor black led community team. Baseball is an expensive game (equipment and etc) and access to fields and places to play are not prevalent in lower income communities/inner cities. Participation has waned because of the lack of access and the total disregard of the black community. Baseball knows it. The White Sox know it. You... I guess don't.

And they have people waiting to parse their words and bastardize them for their own gains.

They didn’t fumble, they never had the ball to begin with

This is what happens when you let the mother fuckers who sunk the team in the first place lead the rebuild.

Amazing how Hahn took a team in good shape with their payroll and turned it into this

I did not listen because its Rick Hahn and everything he ever says is completely meaningless

No, I think they called up Burger

out 6-8 weeks

Dont worry, I wouldnt be scared off by schoolyard bullies.

During a white sox game the benches cleared after a yankees player called Tim Anderson 'Jackie' and white sox players and their manager took offense. Posters have been talking about it, many within the rules, while others start calling people pieces of garbage. So threads end up locked. If this was between the Reds and Pirates, it wouldn't be in PHT. But as always, feel free to send all moderator complaints to @Kyyyyle23. That's kyyyyle with 4 y's.

Man, I just explained to why Donaldson's trolling was racist, because yes, words have meaning. I explained why Tim's comparison (three years ago) shouldn't really open him to trash talk from any sane player (again, note the lack of Donaldson support from Yankees players). If TA called himself "the new Frank Thomas" (who did make baseball real fun in the 90s), Donaldson wouldn't have said "hey Frank," and you and I both know that. That's because there's an enormous legacy tied to Jackie.

hmmmmm. I played a lot of baseball as a kid; I can't recall ever asking a kid on a team where he was from, let alone questioning how a team was put together. No one said JRW didn't break the rules, what was said is that they were the ONLY team in the history of me playing/following the game that were held accountable for said "rule." Rules should apply to everyone, not just the select few.

This is pretty close to what I think reasonable people are thinking. Nobody believes Josh Donaldson is a hardcore racist attending Klan meetings in between games -- but -- there was racial intent in his demeaning of TA and for that he should be punished. Was Josh even aware enough to realize it? Probably not, but ignorance isn't an excuse.

Only Josh knows if it was intended to be a race thing. However, his answer that it was a joke given his history of trying to get under players' skin is complete bullshit and he needs to be made an example of to help educate others about the sensitivity of black players given the history of the country and the game.

I hope no one here has any ancient White Sox love for Jimmy Dykes' White sox tenure as a player and manager in the '30s and '40s, because he was a racist asshole according to Minoso's autobiography / interviews.

The day after the incident, when Anderson came up to the plate, it really did feel like the dismal days of Jackie Robinson were being channeled as the Yankee faithful booed him vociferously. In the words of longtime sports columnist David Steele, “It’s ‘Boy Remember Your Place Night’ at the ballpark in the Bronx.” That Anderson responded to the boos with a three-hit game, including a three-run HR game, ironically also echoed Robinson: succeeding in the face of a racist tidal wave by opposing fans. There is a bigger issue here than just the morality play that went down in the Bronx. Consider the idea that Josh Donaldson actually used the word “Jackie” as a racial slur. On one level, this is shocking. Jack Roosevelt Robinson is a hero of the first order who walked through hell in a gasoline suit precisely so players—players like Anderson—wouldn’t have to endure the racism that he faced. His name should forever be remembered not only as a synonym for courage but also as a reminder that baseball—not merely “society”—was extremely racist when he attempted to integrate the sport. The problem with the way Major League Baseball celebrates and remembers Robinson is that it talks a lot about the first part—with abstract words like “bravery”—without discussing exactly what kind of athletic environment he had to be brave in. If the league does discuss context, it’s always that word again, “society,” as if racism was just something in the air—not something that baseball as an institution was actually built upon. Major League Baseball fits Robinson into a neat schema of “segregation, integration, celebration!” Its desire for marketing and patriotism, which are really one and the same, is for baseball to symbolize “post-racialism.” ….. The fact is that Josh Donaldson represents a lasting culture within Major League Baseball. It’s a culture in which Robinson is praised abstractly, but current players like Anderson are routinely disrespected. Alienating Black players with magnetism like Anderson has also discourages a generation of young athletes who choose not to play baseball because of how Anderson has been treated. That will cause the great sport to suffer immeasurably. The entire sport pays a price if it holds up a sign that says, “Not For You.” We also pay a social cost, beyond the generational loss of new talent, by allowing racist ideas to fester in the “national pastime.” https://www.thenation.com/article/society/when-jackie-robinson-is-used-as-a-racial-slur/

Honestly our web site was as bad if not worse.

So what you are saying is that the Sox are statistically even worse than we think and have lucked into a few undeserved wins!

Bingo. For making a face that was 100% justified to a confirmed cheater and disgrace to the game. But it showed up Manfred himself, that’s the difference. Shows pretty clearly where the MLB’s priorities lie.

Donaldson deserves absolutely 0% benefit of the doubt with his history.

People really love telling on themselves.

Yeah, my respect for our posting population plummeted in the last day or so.

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Suspended?! Kick him off the tour!

I would love to see TA become a true White Sox legend, retired number and all, but we have a while before we worry about that next deal.