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It’s truly amazing that Grifol is being allowed to return.

I think multiple things can be true. 1) Clevinger has been our best pitcher and he may be a scumbag. 2) I know that custody battles bring out the worst in many people. Two doctors were divorcing. The dad had to put his son on the stand to refute his wife's claims that the bruises in a picture were not caused by him but actually when she fell down the stairs. Putting a kid in that situation is awful and she was a child psychologist. 3) Not an attorney disclaimer. I don't think Clevinger was cleared. Criminally, they decided the evidence was unlikely to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't know if a civil suit has been filed where guilt is, I believe, established by a preponderance of the evidence which is a lower standard. I don't know MLB's standard. Innocent would be established if he went to trial and was judged not guilty or his accuser admitted lying. 4) Baseball, like the world, is filled with a wide variety of people. Many are unsavory, awful, and scumbags. Baseball usually cares more about performance than character. 5) Clevinger has been our best pitcher and he may be a scumbag.

Korey Lee needs to go 2-6 to be 9-71 in his career.

Next year, the Sox will be a losing team with or without Clevinger. I am for losing without him.

And OJ was completely innocent of any wrongdoing, right? "Due process" doesn't mean if a dozen parents said their kids were molested at a day care, you are still obligated to drop your kids off there because they were never found guilty in court. I find it really weird and abhorrent when a dude digs in on this and chides others for not openly liking Mike Clevenger because of "due process". From testimony given under oath, I think the guy's a rage-addicted scumbag who uses his money to continually harass his victims, even when they're no longer partners.

Slept on it and am pretty sure that the enthusiastic personal endorsement of Clevinger and outright dismissal of any reason why anyone might have a concern about him is easily the number 1 thing he’s done to piss me off all year. %^*+ off.

This. Articles and discussions about clubhouse culture are lazy and bullshit. You know what will improve the White Sox? 25 new and better players to complement Luis Robert Jr.. You know what Chris Getz is going to do? Not acquire and or develop 25 new and better players. Will be lucky to have a handful.

WOW 26 men from around the world, in ages from their early 20s to late 30s, some married, some with kids, some single, some dating with wife and kids, don't hang together all the time. SHOCKING!!

Okay, this just made me laugh out loud. Of course it's "predictable". Because it's the most obvious refutation of your argument. You're calling people "fascist" for not liking Mike Clevenger, and not wanting him on their favorite team based on descriptions of his behavior given under oath. I'm going to stop here, because it's not my job to make you admit you're wrong. "Believe women" is still a thing. Just because the emotional abuse didn't rise to the level of an MLB ban, or even imprisonment doesn't mean that everybody detailing it under oath was lying.

Then maybe don't lecture people on the vital importance of Due Process in this case if you're wishy washy about it on other cases.

The guy embarrassed the organization and turned spring training into a circus. Others have forgotten that but Reinsdorf sure hasn't. I would be absolutely shocked if this turd is on the team next year.

We know their rookies aren't exactly setting the world on fire but what good do Andrus Shaw and Grandal do for the future by taking up playing time these last two weeks? Just seems completely obvious to everyone but Getz and Grifol. Then leaving our starter hung out to dry in the late innings? TLR was better than this.

Wait, what?!? I'm always amazed at how dudes dismiss a woman's word as insignificant or lies, even when given under oath. He was "cleared" in that his abuse and harassment didn't meet MLB's threshold for suspension. The intro song shows immaturity. Colas stalking her social media is weird, but considering the allegations, could certainly scare a person under legal siege from a multi-millionaire. The claims of abuse were made under oath, and there's nothing to them that make them sound made up. A normal human being should have a problem with Clevenger's alleged actions, regardless of his ERA. I can't fathom how you see a person's disgust with that abuse and harassment to be "bizarre". Too many guys are way too comfortable with how hard it is for a woman to be taken seriously about abuse.

No, he went through the process and was not suspended, this is fundamentally different from being cleared or proven that he did not do it. We know this language well, it is used in legal matters all the time. We are absolutely allowed to decide that we believe a jury got things wrong and we are absolutely allowed to understand that he probably beat the s%*# out of a woman who later took photos of the bruises but MLB had a high enough standard that, when interviews were done like 6 months later (For whatever reason, and again this should have violated MLBs procedures as spelled out online), they decided they didn't have enough to suspend him. Do you believe that no jury has ever acquitted person who actually committed a violent crime? If so, it's not a good look for you.

This guy is a fucking fraud. An absolute loser. Maybe hiring guys from an organization that's even worse than the Sox is a bad idea? The White Sox are the laughing stock of the MLB, and will be even worse next season.

Offense has been so bad, yet it’s the healthiest they’ve been all year. Even Robert looks like he doesn’t care.

Getz apparently had nothing to do with Kopech's and Crochet's development...lol.

Nah, that would be fun and the Sox don’t do fun. Instead they’ll get 3-hit like 9 times.

This is the exact same as Getz and Grifol bring winning attitude from Royals. More Sox BS.

Roberto Clemente Day Sox dishonoring it by simply existing. 6-8 to get to 100 losses. Yay.

That Benintendi deal sure looks like a disaster. Four more years of this? Woof

Oh that's right. We are in the temper tantrum era of sports that if they don't destroy things or throw fits they don't care. OVAHRATED!!!!!!!!!!! How many HoF players in sports are know for this?

As are we.

Just calling out bigotry where I see it.

Yes, you're correct. I believe the woman who shared photos of her bruises in an article online accusing Clevinger, who had no clear benefit in coming forward and who probably cost herself money in the process, is credible. I find it baffling that MLB would have failed to interview her promptly and find it completely improper that they should have had the incident reported to them while he was still on the Padres and still had to talk to her again in February. As this might have come down to a he-said, she-said situation in terms of her statements, taking those statements so far afterwards is one step above trying to cover it up since memory doesn't work that way, it gets worse over time, including for traumatic events. Whoever decided on a suspension or not would have had to know that it would be appealed to an independent arbiter, and these cases are complicated enough when everything is investigated correctly, and inconsistent statements made 6 months afterwards would be an easy thing to argue against. So yes, I've made up my mind. You also have made up your mind that the accuser was lying and that those bruises came from something else or from someone else, despite knowing less than those assigned - you've indicated this by saying repeatedly that he was "cleared" without knowing that. But it only looks bad when I believe the person who published pictures of their bruises, not when you decide you don't believe them because...well, whatever, you won't say where you think those photos came from. And to top it off, we then have things that should not have happened at all, him dragging the team into this. No one ever should have thought a guy publicly accused of domestic abuse should be playing the song "Gold Digger" as their walkout song, and they made him stop right away when they were called out on it. They should absolutely have said "everyone stay away from this person as one of our teammates had an issue with them" and yet somehow this wound up involving one of the other team rookies. These were things that should not have happened. So I don't know the whole story, but I am absolutely allowed to believe the accuser from what was presented even if it didn't rise to the standard of a suspension, and I am absolutely allowed to wonder why on Earth they were still interviewing this person in February as that alone casts doubt on the quality of the MLB investigation. And given all this, it's totally unsurprising that people were insisting he was one of the most likely guys to be traded at the deadline outside of his personal issues and in the end no one wanted him, and it seemed obvious that he would be claimed at the waiver wire deadline, if anyone wanted him. And yes, if they bring him back, the only reason you won't hear about this all next year is that it will be the last straw for a lot of white sox fans.

They're going to lose 100+ games and this moron won't sacrifice a win today for possible future wins via development. This is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard a professional coach say.

No. He was not "Cleared", he was not suspended - that means that whatever "investigation" they did, it didn't meet whatever standard they are using to require a suspension. It is worth noting that MLB's investigation process certainly appeared questionable, as the CBA requires it to be done quickly (literally it requires decisions within days) and yet MLB was still interviewing the accuser in February of last year, which on its own raises issues since memory of events definitely is harder the longer you wait. The decision on a suspension I think is suggested by a panel including 3 independent experts, 2 MLB representatives, and 2 players union representatives, we do not know if there was a vote or anything like that. At the very least this year during the season, we had Clevinger coming out to the song "Gold-Digger", we had Colas seemingly stalking the accuser's instagram page for whatever reason, and we had the accuser suggesting that Clevinger was still calling and leaving her numerous messages. Thankfully this isn't the level of the stuff he was accused of last year, but none of it was good behavior and more than once we saw the team/organization dragged into his personal issues. No intelligent GM is going to look at this and be willing to stick their neck out for a guy behaving like this.

It’s not amazing, it’s depressing. It would be amazing if we didn’t all know this was happening when it was announced, but nope we all pretty much knew the worst possible decisions would start rolling in one after another. nah, not amazing any longer

The only reason Clevinger went unclaimed is because he was owed the buyout, and he had just returned from injury. If the deadline was today, and he didn’t have that mutual buyout, multiple teams would hold their noses and claim him. Since he wasn’t suspended or anything, a team will pay him. I hope it’s not the White Sox.

Sox are 13-27 since they fixed the clubhouse problem.

Political debates have more honesty than that. It's obvious players don't care to play for Grifol and the coaches.

I miss the LaRussa stans here who wanted to meet for a we love Tony picnic.....I've also had a few beers so I may have dreamed that up.

Feels like that was Zavala against all pitchers this season...

Ricky's boys didn't quit. Pedro's boys have mailed it in under him for months. And this is the guy Getz wants to bring back? The players clearly don't respect or want to go to war with him with their performance on the field.

Read where Eloy has grounded out 8 straight times.

Why leave Urena in to start the 7th ? Take the ball after 6 and say fine job Jose ! Petey Grifol blows ! So what if the relievers suck .Half them won't be here next year. Urena could be . SO now instead of giving up 2 runs in 6 innings Urena has now given up 6 runs in 6.1 inning .

Remember that season split at Houston at the beginning of the season... Good times.

I don’t recall anyone ever comparing DJ Moore to Steve Sax but please continue

Can't imagine there's a lower paid GM or field manager in the entire sport...maybe the A's or Pirates. For example, TB Rays are much smarter than that, surely they invest more resources in their front office and constantly replacing all the poached talent.

He's laughing all the way to the bank.

A friend of mine asked yesterday (As he saw me celebrating another loss to KC), "Do you really want them losing 100 games, isn't that embarrassing?" I replied, " Hell yeah! Never have I wanted my Sox to lose more than right now and draw to themselves the same embarrassment they have caused to us fans. I want all those players and the Dildo Manager to carry that 100 loss season as part of their careers. Fucking Losers. ? And by the way, this team has flat out quit on the Dildo Manager. They never quit on Renteria, never quit on LaRussa, never quit on Cairo. But yet this ass clown is guaranteed a job next season?

Loss number 91 in the books. I believe 16 to go. 107 still possible

20HR Increases Vaughn's trade value. Sox need to get more athletic players instead of station to station hitters with no speed. The team needs a 100% overhaul and that might include Robert if he can bring enough in trade value.

Pedro might be one of the few Sox baseball operations employees less qualified for his particular job than Chris Getz is. While an 100 plus loss season will be cromulent this season, if no significant personnel / organizational changes are made, I really hope they lose 120 plus games each future season until jerry is no longer owner. It's his mess, let him wallow in it.

You're trying to figure out how to get starting pitching. Urena gave you 6 strong. Why leave him in? All you can do at that point is destroy what he accomplished in 6 and let him take the ball in another 5 days with some confidence. Suck is here to stay but do you really think some of these AAA/AAAA BP arms are going to be around ?

Just going off the gamecast, the lack of pitch discipline and recognition is pathetic

Would say Moncada is the third or fourth worst contract right now with the Sox, wouldn't argue folks saying Pedro, Eloy or Leury are worse. ??? for 3+ More Years of Chris Getz f*** you as always Jerry Reinsdorf. $66.4M 4 More Years of Andrew Benintendi (Rick Hahn's last f*** You To White Sox Fans - Burger trade was Kenny Williams') $24M + $5M buyout Yoan Moncada (He was a solid to excellent value covering 2019-2021 $0.6M 2019, $1M 2020, $6M 2021 + $4M signing bonus) $13M for 2024 + $6M for 2025/2026 Buyouts for Eloy - $19M minimum for an absolutely worthless DH who can't stay healthy and can't produce. $5.5M Leury Garcia f*** you La Russa and Hahn. $?M for 2 more years of Pedro Grifol Royals Suck, Sox Royals Suck More $15M Liam Hendriks (Cancer sucks, UCL and Sox FO and Trainers suck worse). $4M Mike Clevinger to go away - Domestic Violence Hotline in Illinois is 1 800-799-7233 (799-SAFE). Illinois Child Abuse Hotline is 1-800-252-2873. (25-ABUSE) $5.5M 2024 + $2.5M for 2025/2026 Buyouts for Aaron Bummer What could have been. Remember, relievers are fungible.

Um, no he won't. Not after his performance this year. If he comes out blazing next year (and the White Sox don't do their usual thing where they call him up to save the bullpen), he might be by the middle of the year. Literally no one is going to look at his performance this year and think "This is a guy I'm going to put on my early season prospect lists with a big boost over last year".

It's so bizarre that it seems like they intentionally didn't try to trade away any of the clubhouse problems that we've heard about. It's like they actively went out of their way to trade anyone that was likeable instead. Garbage franchise.

What kind of player will he be once he gets his money again? The timing seems awfully coincidental.