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Stoney said Grossman hit the ball hard. It was 83 mph off the bat. Everyone with this organization is so ignorant now.

This team needs Ozzie Guillen the rest of the season. It’s not about wins and losses. It’s about motivating some guys that need the right buttons pushed.

And that's just our GM.

I think the organization began its free-fall when Kenny Williams was kicked upstairs and replaced as GM by Rick Hahn. He had his detractors, but KW was arguably the greatest GM in Sox history, winning a WS and three AL Central titles during his run as GM from 2001 to 2012. They finished second in five other seasons and at .500 or better nine times under Kenny, putting together a 1,014-931 record during his stint as GM. The KW teams were great fun to watch, even when flawed. And that showed by attendance, which averaged at around 2.5 million between 2005 and 2011. KW was an excellent evaluator of major league talent, and was able to acquire undervalued talent who made a difference -- A.J. Pierzynski, Jermaine Dye, Freddy Garcia, Carlos Quentin, Juan Uribe and dozens more. Imagine if he had been able to swing the deal with the Marlins for Miguel Cabrera for (reportedly) Josh Fields, Gio Gonzales and (maybe) Jon Garland back in 2007! KW had that deal sewed up - the only reason that didn't happen is because JR didn't want to take on Dontrelle Willis's salary, which the Marlins insisted on. The Tigers did accept that salary, and the rest is history. But the bottom dropped out under Hahn, who had only one really good year during his tenure -- 2021. (I don't count the Covid year). Despite having higher annual budgets than KW, Hahn's teams underperformed year after year. He followed up KW's stellar run with a 716-846 record, a barren farm system and consistently dwindling attendance. KW was much more effective than the overrated Roland Hemond as GM. Only Ron Schueler and the late 40s/50s/early 60s GMs (Frank Lane, Chuck Comiskey, Hank Greenberg, Ed Short) could approach Kenny's record. (Larry Himes built the great early 90s teams, but was forced out before he could enjoy their success).

It isn't a huge amount in the grand scheme of things, but he did give Martin Maldonado $4 million for some reason.

MLB is infuriating. They continue to make the White Sox play nearly everyday. It’s just mean.

Joey Bart should have been acquired, no question about it

I think its higher velos. Hard to catch up to gas as you age, and if you can't hit a fastball, you're pretty screwed. Wasn't so bad when guys were throwing maybe 92 and hitters were all hopped up on steroids. Stone was saying how little Jax throws his fastball last night, and he had 97 MPH cheese.

I beg to differ. The Sox as an organization are some dude sitting around in their under wear.

And Amed Rosario has played 2B, SS, and RF for the Rays, currently sports an .843 OPS, and signed for $1.5 million. I also wanted him THIS OFFSEASON, not in April after a historically bad start. You will argue he would have never signed here, which is fine. But I still don’t think you even understood my post. I wouldn’t have even bothered to sign Pham when Getz did. The season is already lost so do you really think it matters either way? Are you truly excited for Pham to join this 3-20 team, soon to be 3-21 team, and save them? Clevinger too? It just further proves what an awful job Getz did this offseason. The guy had to sign additional reinforcements well into the start of the season because his roster was so awful.

Such a great quote — emphatically stating that you won’t even be an interested party for the best baseball player in history and then laughing about it right after. What a clown of an owner.

I don't disagree on the overall losing culture of Chicago teams, but those 50s/60s Sox teams were actually really good. They just had the misfortune (like everyone else in the league) of playing at the same time as the NY Yankees of the 50s and 60s, when they were at their most dominant.

Fire everyone. Just fire everyone. Start with Stoney and keep going.

Honestly - I'd be on board with Ozzie. If for nothing else - he would entertain me to no end during the midst of this lousy season (or few).

David Haugh asked Ozzie the other day if there’s anything that would be a barrier (or words to that effect) for him becoming manager of the Sox. He said no, and that he speaks with Jerry and Getz at the park and all is good. I think he’d do it, no question.

I just don’t want Pedro to be the guy teaching the young guys on this team how to be major leaguers. I totally recognize that this team could be managed by prime Bobby Cox and still lose 100, but Pedro honestly does not add any sort of value to this team.

Hmm another 4-game sweep. Not easy to lose four in a row to the same team. This is a noble baseball experiment we're witnessing. When you have only 2 good starters (one hasn't arrived yet) and basically no good relievers (OK maybe one per given game out of five) and basically seven of nine hitters (on a given night) that don't belong on an MLB batters box, you figuratively will lose 9 of every 10 games. Defying the law of averages. Will somebody please tell me why no media member has gotten a comment from the commissioner's office about what's going on 35th St. and Shields? This is unacceptable. (Look at the Twins record before we came to town; we may have saved their season by gosh).

It’s because Jerry isn’t willing to spend on an analytics department. He’s got a hitting coach down there trying to chart pitches, probably on a fucking spiral notebook. It’s been a few years since I looked but last I saw listed the White Sox analytics department was a grand total of two employees while the top teams were around 7-9 personnel. There’s a reason both Sox’ hitters & pitchers can’t adjust to anything. They are simply being out-scouted and out-analyzed on top of already being a roster full of below average MLB players. That is absolutely a recipe for a historically bad season.

3-22 What a time to be alive

He won’t. That’s why they are going to have trouble replacing him. I know there’s very few MLB manager positions available in the world but people are smart enough to realize this organization is complete career suicide at this point. You’d have to throw a bag of cash at someone and we all know Jerry won’t do that. People are saying Ozzie but I just don’t see him doing it. Why would he? Montoya won’t take it because he knows he’d essentially be putting in retirement players. I’m just gonna say…we’ll get the press release that Tony’s health issues are no longer an issue and he’ll be the interim…

But we’ve seen for almost 200 games that this manager gets the worst out of players

Something is seriously wrong with this organization.

This is the 3rd game in a row that they have not been shutout. Progress, not perfection.

Korey Lee needs to play every single day

Perhaps you can provide me with 1st year GMs who had payrolls slashed as much coming off 100 loss seasons who had tighter leashes . No 2 situations are the same and acting as if they are is bs. Yes teams like the Orioles Dbacks ,Pirates all have made strides recently but look how long it took the Orioles and Pirates. How many teams rebuild with the same GM and President in charge of the downfall as well as the rebuild ? How many of those teams refused to play the game in the Dominican Republic like JR has for 45 years ? What do you know about the best coaches, best scouts and best training facilities of other teams as compared to the White Sox ? How often have other teams traded away their international money compared to the Sox ? These are only the questions I can remember to ask.There would probably be many more if I could remember everything about how JR conducts business that seems a bit different than other teams. There's also the fact that the Sox are one team of 2 teams to never have signed a player to a $100M contract. At least I accept the fact I know practically nothing about what's going on behind the scenes and don't pretend to know everything about the Sox and every front office in the game . That's the only reason I have for cutting any executive hired by JR any slack at all.

I don't understand the Bears proposal at all. The current stadium is 20 years old. Its fine. They play there 9 times a year. A very small minority of fans attend more than one game a year anyway. Now you have beautiful views of the city and lake. Summertime concerts at the outdoor stadium are fun. People complaints about Soldier Field always center around difficulty getting to and from games. This doesn't change any of that. Its going to be the same thing except now they'll have some generic boring eyesore dome that doesn't even take advantage of being next to the lake and located within a beautiful park. That stadium in the renderings can be put anywhere. I don't want it on the lakefront. I understand wanting to move to Arlington. There, the stadium can be surrounded by hotels and bars etc. that would result in additional revenue for the team. That seems like such a waste for billions of dollars. How does it improve the fan experience? Nicer bathrooms? A little more capacity for tickets? Who cares if Chicago gets to host a Super Bowl or a Final Four? I can't imagine the Bears making money off of that as tenants. And if they do, it still seems insignificant when compared to the cost. I still think they end up moving to Arlington Heights. I think they are just using our idiot mayor for leverage. At least the Sox proposal is a clear upgrade for ownership and the fans. Improved location, nicer looking building, more lively atmosphere, easier to get to weekday night games for people working in the loop... More revenue possibilities for the team.

As someone who loves Duke Ellis, it'd be insane to have him skip AAA for anything short of having him as an emergency bench guy. The team needs to let all of their prospects go up through the normal cycles.

That's why I provided it. You're welcome.

Could be. But he’s also 37 now so last year and this year could just be natural decline for his age. Everyone seems to realize that old guys fall apart except for our new GM. See Maldonado (37) and Pillar (35).

It started when JR bought the team. Every hire was based on personal reasons and not based on competence. Some of them, like Kenny Williams and Ozzie Guillen, did turn out to be good at their jobs, at least for a while, but that was coincidental. It resulted in lightning in a bottle in 2005.

It’s time to keep track. 8 of them through 24 games, 33 is the record. Never thought this would be something to track but here we are

I expected 100 losses, but i didnt expect an historically bad season. We havent even entered the tough part of the schedule yet.

TBF, not many people expected this level of suck. They also wouldn't be quite so terrible had Robert, Moncada and Eloy not gotten hurt the first week. Its fair to expect those guys to miss time throughout the season, but all right away? Even the naysayiest of naysayers wouldn't have honestly guessed that while being serious. I expected this team to float a few to several games below ,500 for awhile, at least pre-Cease trade. I expected improved defense and cleaner baseball. I hoped Robert's 2023 health would continue into 24, and we'd see a really nice contract year from Yoan. Obviously non of that has happened, but I don't think many people pre-season truly expected this to be an historically poor club.

4-7, not a single guy hitting over .200. Yikes. None of these dudes were ever going to be great hitters but players offensive abilities completely falling off a cliff the minute they get to this organization is 100% a pattern. It’s the same as a complete lack of a pitchers ability to hold runners on whether they are a young guy or veteran coming in. It’s like they instantly just stop caring about holding a guy close and they start running around the base paths at will. Teams have analytics departments that completely have the book on these guys meanwhile the Sox’ analytics department is about 4 people deep. For context…my daughters youth soccer club has more than 4 people assigned to video and opponent analysis…

It’s insane the excuse making that some made for Hahn, and it’s carried over to Getz. Almost every decision Getz has made since taking over has aged poorly so far. The Cease return is doing well so far and the Fedde deal looks good. The rest….terrible

Yes, this excuse was used for Rick Hahn and the general response was that if it was so bad, he could just have not taken the job. GMs with tighter leashes were able to build rosters that weren't on track to be the worst team in major league history.

You are a constant ray of sunshine. Getz' job isn't to accept massive failure. It's to improve the team every chance he finds. He pretty much had his hands tied by the slashed payroll. I really don't think there was much he could do besides spend a little here and there and try to get some projects to turn into minor leaguers at the TDL. I have no idea if Getz will be a good GM or not. It's difficult to say when JR is pulling all the strings. I really have no idea what you think should've happened this off season but I'm pretty sure it was unrealistic from Reinsdorf's perspective. Saying that Getz should just do nothing now isn't going to happen. He has to reshape the future of this franchise without money . Because of that everything is just baby steps that look unimpressive and unimportant . But another minor leaguer at the TDL could end up an important piece for the future no matter how remote that seems.

Remember there were posters here who actually believed this team is going to be better than expected before the season? I wonder how they feel now.

There are a lot of questions about the Bears stadium. The $900m will come from the hotel tax. It will also cover the refinancing of the current debt and a liquidity fund. They say it will work because its for 40 years and only assumes a 4% annual hotel revenue growth. But as others have said, what happens if it doesn't cover the debt payments? The liquidity fund is supposed to cover it and seems to suggest the Bears don't want to cover it. But recently the tax hasn't been covering it, so do we really feel good about having to have 4% annual growth for 4 decades? What is the worst case scenario for this? But that's not even all the money the team needs. The nice parks between the colonnades and all the other amenities are supposed to cost another $1.5b, more than $300m of which is required right at the start. That amount isn't covered by the ISFA bonds. How would the City be expected to pay for that? Then there is the almost completely unaddressed questions of rent, lease termination terms, and other event revenue split. Are we basically renting it out at cost? Or could that be a source of revenue to borrow against for the infrastructure costs? Is the lease tied in any way to paying off the debt, or could we be in another situation in 20 years where the Bears want a new stadium and we're stuck with hundreds of millions in debt from the old one? And if there is such an appetite for all sorts of events at this nice new stadium, does the City get any cut of the revenue or just the normal amusement tax revenue? It seems like the Governor and most state legislators are against the proposal as it currently stands, so these questions might be areas of negotiations that could potentially take this to the point of actually being good for both the taxpayers and the Bears.

I dont see the point. If he wants to opt out, who cares?

Ron needs to make a thread about him.

SOX are last in every major offensive category including BA, runs scored, homers and OPS. SOX are also last in team ERA. This team is making history every time they step on the field.

I’m going to be so disappointed if Poles doesn’t take Odunze if he’s there at #9. Quite honestly, the only other result I would want to see is a crazy trade up for MHJ, which I doubt is likely. https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/24/bears-nfl-draft-rome-odunze-would-love-to-join-caleb-williams-chicago/ https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/bears-rome-odunze-workout-with-caleb-williams-dj-moore-keenan-allen-twitter-reaction/

Yes, that was rather surprising. But I think JR must have learned his lesson from Konerko’s last contract. Paulie’s last two seasons (ages 37 and 38) were terrible, as he was definitely done. Loyalty shouldn’t outweigh Father Time.

I think it's more that the kids are better trained, better mentored, eat better, and have more access to better statistical analysis than "old guys blowing out sooner".

He lied about his age and/or stopped taking steroids

I'm a little older and when I do some sprints, do a workout and then drink a few beers I'm on the shelf for 3 days. It stinks. We were all 27 once in baseball years but time waits for no man.

He’s pushing 90 and it’s 9:30. I’m sure he’s been sleeping for at least 2 hours.

Good news! You’re off the hook.

Ha ha. Terrell Tatum is nothing like Micker Adolfo. Luis Gonzalez? Sure. Dominic Fletcher? Maybe. No one is saying the guy is a core player. But there is one thing I know for certain: he would have caught the pop up that Benintendi let drop for a double last night.