Leaderboard

Only took until page 5 for people to be mad about hypothetical situations. Hell yes.

A few things based on this thread. 1. Attaching Andrew Benintendi to Garrett Crochet would be a disaster. 2. If the White Sox can’t do better than Gavin Lux for Robert, they should and will hold. Need to maximize the return so I expect him on opening day roster. 3. I don’t love Boston as a Crochet trade partner. I doubt Roman Anthony or Mayer will be available and I’m not sure Kristian Robinson has a defensive position.

So it is probably happening.

Good point, we’d need to replace benintendi’s bat

To the Sox…that would be a brutal trade straight up

But we will hear plenty about how great they actually are, and how we shouldn't have expected anything more.

teams didnt value Fedde's results more than Kikuchi's pitch data (w/ bad results) then Kikuchi proceeded to be awesome and Fedde proceeded to suck the days are over where a team trading for a guy is only going to care about what they did recently results-wise

I would argue that Fedde and Kopech aren’t in the same stratosphere of value as Miguel Vargas, but here we are.

Execs say s%*# like that all of the time.

I am all about these two.

If the Sox trade Robert + for Lux, or even straight up, then I will be 100% wrong on giving Getz a chance. Even in an atrocious year Robert's value wasn't that far from Lux.

If Getz sends prospects with Robert for Gavin fucking Lux, he is dumber than we even imagine.

I assume this is pretty across the board in baseball. No one is trading these players anymore. Crochet might end up a volume package.

I do think Sox will benefit from making clear he’s available, and not letting teams like brewers/guardians etc dangle players when we try to play hardball. Let it be clear he’s gonna move and let teams auction. Our leverage to keep him isn’t convincing.

No, keep Crochet and try to build around him. Trading him seems to me like constant rebuilding that leads nowhere. Are they trading him to get value or are they trading him to save money? In the future how many more budget moves are made while the team goes nowhere. Sorry, I've been a fan for a long time and have had enough of rebuilding. This team should be keeping and developing talent instead of trading it away. I will not assume that they will get a good return.

You know, the Dodgers today announced they expect Betts to go back to the infield. Thats despite them having Edman, Lux, Freeman, Muncy, and their other SS whose name I’ve forgotten in the If and two of their OFs, Teoscar and k***, are free agents. They seem to need OFs more than IFs for now, so Betts moving to the IF again is odd. The immediate reaction was “Soto”, but golly doesn’t it seem like Soto will be at DH before this contract is up? And that spot, Dodgers DH, might be the most blocked spot in all of baseball. This Betts announcement makes a lot more sense if the Dodgers move an IF and return an OF in a trade.

The only thing that makes ANY sense is moving Lux back to SS...which still only makes sense to the White Sox. That still gives you Montgomery/Ramos at third, Vargas/Sosa at 2B and not sure what you do with Baldwin. Probably put him at Charlotte and wait for his health and bat to return. In theory, Ramos at 1B/DH saves $6 million on Vaughn, and with a Benintendi/Crochet trade...you put Vargas in LF How that's ANY better than 2024???, well...it's definitely NOT. Because Lux isn't a SS, but neither is Amaya, because he simply can't hit his way out of a wet paper bag.

Wanting the Sox to target a very ordinary player with two years of control while coming off the worst season in baseball history is quite the take.

Is that something you heard? Or something you want? Lux has only 2 more years of control. Getting him at all makes little sense. Getting him by giving up one of our 2 decent assets seems kinda insane, but it wouldn't be the worst trade we've made with the Dodgers in the last 3 months. Nightengale says Phillies and Dodgers favorites for Crochet. I know he's not mlb-ready, but I do like Hope.

Make it stop 😰

That entire first round was ass. Will Smith at #32 is the only player to reliably produce.

No GM has ever been able to accomplish what Chris Getz was able to accomplish in his first year on the job.

Yeah I was on board for trading him but now you hold him and hope the new staff can fix him. There is no way they get the right value.

Unless a team blows him away with an offer I don’t think Getz should be looking to deal Robert this offseason. His value couldn’t possibly be lower. Sure, there’s risk of injury, but it’s not like he could possibly be worse than last year. With getting healthy in the offseason + a whole new coaching staff there’s more reason to believe his value will go up rather than down. I thought trading Cease during the offseason last year was a bad move, Robert would be an even worse.

If the White Sox have decided that they are dumping Robert, I can't say I'd be furious. I fully believe they have completely screwed up his mindset and work ethic, and if they don't believe their coaches can fix it, they will be right. Taking "Whatever the best you can get" is for Robert, at this point, I can follow that. However, if the best you can get is a guy who is already in arbitration, yeah just hold him. At least give me one of Getz'z A-ball specials that the Getzlyfans can oggle for a few years until they're out of the sport. Better chance of being useful.

I just don’t believe there is any significant pressure or expectations for Getz for at least 2 years. And after that the pressure will probably match up with his owners desires to spend, which probably will remain low

Two years…

My non-expert two cents' of opinion: Philly is in a non-desperate situation, because Crochet is a "nice to have" for them rather than a "desperately needed" - they already have four solid+ starters and Painter in the wings. Unless part of the return is Philly unloading a contract on the White Sox (for example, pitcher Taijuan Walker and his 2/yr. $36 million owed) along with multiple prospects not named Miller/Painter/Crawford, I doubt it happens.

Sadly, I don't think we will be thrilled with the players any team would be willing to give up. The league saw how Getz handled the Fedde/Kopech transaction and are probably anticipating that they can also fleece the White Sox for Crochet.

I don’t think we’d be thrilled with the players Boston would be willing to give up

Highest tier prospects were not traded at this deadline. People were going nuts on the return for Kikuchi though (though, no elite prospects involved). Info i'm giving you explains why there's a disparity there

Also the game/data was much different then. Once everything became about analytics is when the Sox have been horrible, which it SEEMS like Getz is trying to drag JR into to.

Uh oh, trading our star lefty for a top Boston prospect? Getting bad dejavu and Yoan Moncada vibes.

That crowd has their head in the sand (or worse).

Trading Crochet is a no brainer. The risk of holding him is insanely high, and his value isn't going to get higher than it is right now. Whether or not Getz can get a very good return remains to be seen, but I am fairly confident most every club will be interested so he should be able to get a good return. I certainly have my concerns as outlined previously in this very thread, but they're not significant enough to say "hey, lets keep him and watch his value decrease on a 100+ loss club even if he's really good". The Sox are going to lose 100+ games. 62-100 would be a 21 game improvement, and this roster is very likely to be less talented than last years. Dumb luck may get them a 5-10 game improvement with a worse roster, but there are no FA adds that suddenly take this team remotely close to .500.

Schueler lived off of the system that Larry Himes was putting together when JR fired Himes...Schu didn't do that on his own...but he did a decent job of sustaining it without successful 1st round picks.

Which is why the ballpark village concept would appeal to Jerry.

This has never been about drawing fans when winning. We all know Sox fans are a bandwagon lot who show up for blue skies. Jerry is looking north at Wrigley for a place whose game day experiences are so powerful that people don't just show up when times are good, but still show up when things are bad.

What about the jobs lost in Bridgeport. The jobs thing has always been a farce. They are creating very few new jobs. Just transferring from one location to another. There are literally over 100 companies in Chicago alone that employ more people and create more revenue than the White Sox. Shouldn’t they be entitled to new rent free offices built by the state? Enough with JR. There was a question on the ballots in one of the wards this past election asking about using public funds for a Bears stadium. The voters gave it an overwhelming no. And that’s the Bears, far more popular than the White Sox, and they would actually contribute $2 billion. Politicians going against their constituents wishes aren’t politicians much longer. JR and the McCaskeys are going to have to find another way.

Agree - what he did was incredible. Hadn’t played in ten plus years and dropped into AA with some success. He would have figured it out…not saying he would have been great given the late start but he would have made the majors and stuck around had he stayed. And I imagine if he went full time MLB and never played basketball, he probably would have been pretty good. He was just one of those gifted people at sports and his work ethic and will to win was off the charts. Dude wasn’t going to let himself fail.

these projects where private business gets public money always tout the jobs. the short term construction jobs plus the "permanent" jobs after the fact. yes, sox park has more seasonal day of game staff than full time posts, but 1000 or more people working is still better than none. in the case of the 78 proposal, we're also looking at the halo effect of related business on the site providing jobs as well.

What concerns me about trading Crochet, is that Getz will not get a fair amount of talent back. The Vargas trade was a Complete Disaster, Getz is just over his head. Keep Crochet!

Just being argumentative, but Thorpe and Berroa could quite possibly be on the next contending team.

On paper it looks like Getz is excelling at the role of Head of Baseball Operations but failing at the role of GM. Maybe he should hire an actual GM.

He’s getting credit for his organizational hires even though his roster moves have been terrible from the start. God forbid we have a GM that can do both well, but we don’t. Sox fans have been beaten down by a terrible owner to have low expectations.

I wouldn't mind seeing if they actually could be worse. It's a hell of a challenge. But keep guys in AAA that need the development time and grab some not quite warm bodies from the last chance pile. Bonus if the could play a little banana ball.

Going which way?