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To be fair most of the 15 million went to his defense attorneys

Basically there's a subset here that refuses to see anything good. Even if they see it like a good amount of pitching prospects and a top 5 system they refuse to talk about it. It's like I've been hurt and I'll never love again. We usually find those people just as annoying as eternally optimistic people, maybe moreso except they formed themselves as the Soxtalk cool kids . Now it's cool to be a Sox Goth because it's the majority. We can accuse anyone optimistic of being Getz lovers . OMG the stigma is devastating. Only there are no eternally optimistic people here. There's just the Sox Goths and those who choose to see some good. It might not get us to the playoffs soon but I've rooted for the Sox all my life as have many of you when they weren't making the playoffs so it's not much different to me. You either make the playoffs or you don't. Here we're the tree in the forest that no one hears fall.

Well deleted the tweet. We know that burner reads soxtalk.

Maybe they need a carpenter.

I again ask: who?

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I don't really know that he's a DFA guy. He wasn't DFA to my knowledge, and probably has some value coming off a really solid season due to all the cheap control even at his age. Certainly fair to question why you'd trade an 18 year old pitcher with solid DSL results for a low upside reliever in the Sox current circumstances.

Corey Julks, we hardly knew ye. Not sure why we needed to bring in a 32 year old reliever, at the expense of a 17 year old arm in the minors. Getz Happens.

Dude will probably go back to being a carpenter after finding out he’s been traded to the White Sox.

He's no Bailey Horn.

Need that gif of that time boozer punched that ref in the nuts please

Sat out for four years. Not a lot of miles on the arm.

I didn’t have trading for a 32 year old reliever on my bingo card this offseason.

But seriously, I’ve said it before, but there is a legit sales pitch to be made by the White Sox: Top Three Metro Market => Significant endorsement opportunities No Established Stars => Can immediately be the face of the franchise Limited Japanese History => Doesn’t have to live in the shadows of others Stress Free Environment => Can develop in the majors at his own pace Quality Pitching Development => Bannister a proven difference maker Top 10 Japanese Population => Access to some cultural elements of home Direct Flight to Japan => A small bonus that certain cities can’t offer The one thing Getz has been able to do as GM is sell his vision. Obviously the road ahead is going to be rough, but not everyone is afraid of a challenge. As someone who works for a Japanese company, I can say many of these guys value things differently than Americans. If this dude wants to create his own legacy, winning a World Series on the south side of Chicago would one of the best ways to do that. And I truly believe that can be a massive selling point.

lmao everyone kills us.

I know. I realize this. I've been posting and reading here for 20 years. It's amazing how it's changed.

Slade Cecconi is totally going to become another strong reliever for them isn’t he

Let's see if this burner account is any more accurate... I think I like this less than Tyler Schweitzer.

It’s not Tyler Schweitzer

Thank god that big bastard is out of the division. He was on a Mike Sweeney level all time Sox killer trajectory.

I didn't see a significant structural change with all of the new postions with the intent to make the entire organization more efficient and consistent. Nothing about all of these changes sound or look familiar. They've never had an organizational director of pitching and an organizational director of hitting.

he was playing for the Chicago Dogs a couple years ago. I don't see the point in continuing to bring in these relievers when there are like 20 guys in the minors who should be playing.

The same owners who has historically had the smallest front office and organization who changed all of that with the new positions and hired nearly all of them from outside the organization.

When you promote a guy who would have been fired anywhere else because his previous experience was a complete failure to do a job he had never done before? The same owner who wouldn't let this vital new structure go into place for a year so he didn't have to pay to fire people? The same owner who has historically had the smallest front office, scouting, and analytics departments in baseball? Packaging it as new is a sales job, not actually anything new. The main problems still exist, which are Jerry and the obedient snitches and yes men he surrounds himself with.

This will be one of the younger teams in baseball next year.

It's the same owner. And we have done this before. Many times.

That's true I guess. People would much prefer to go the easy route and be negative instead of looking at the changes made and choose to give the new people a chance. I guess I just don't understand why the lack of objectivity and having open minds.

Goldschmidt to the Yankees. Getz needs to figure out a way to acquire Ben Rice.

Nope. Jerry knows he’s fucking over the fans and doesn’t care. The McCaskeys are just stupid.

The issue I have is it only takes a handful of weeks to claw back a full year of control. And one month in AAA doesn’t change his long-term roadmap and I personally think it would be good for him given his challenges in Charlotte last season. IMO, unless you feel he’s a serious threat to be a top two finisher in the AL Rookie of the Year race, the value trade-off is just too much.

He’s not signing here. 🤣

Here's where you and I disagree - I think he was an oft-injured player most of his career. That's how I describe his 2021 and 2022. He was a star in 2023, until he was injured. He was oft-injured in 2024, and for the first time - really bad at baseball. To put this in another view, in hindsight, if the White Sox had traded Moncada for those 2 level of players in 2022, would that make the White Sox better today? I would say yes. And fwiw, the utility guy also stole 40 bases last year, so there's some other skill to that player too.

I see your point. Here are some counterpoints: You promote him because you want PPI draft picks. And not just rookie year. The Royals got one cuz Witt Jr. finished second in the MVP voting. Or maybe you want to get his struggles in adjusting to the majors out of the way ASAP, while you still suck. The Sox are going to be breaking in 3/4 of their line up in the next 2-3 years. Better to not have them all be rookies at the same time? It has never been a harder transition. Finally, maybe they want something, anything, that is interesting to watch about their baseball team. Keeping him down for a while makes sense, but I don’t think it is the only choice here.

Trade difficult to assess. Montgomery needs to play a full season. Teel looks legitimate. Meidroth is valuable only if he is better than Sosa, which no none knows. Gonzalez has not shown that he belongs in MLB. Crochet, if healthy, figures to win a lot of games for Boston and prob lead the league in K's in 2025. My prediction is that the only way this trade works is if Montgomery blossoms into a legitimate starting outfielder.

Thanks for posting this. The whole interview is awesome. Ely is really high on Schultz, obviously. Very high on Carela. Loves Cannon. Thinks Thorpe is going to figure it out. Iriarte has upside, but there is a lot to do. High praise for Garret Schonle and Adisyn Coffey too.

What exactly are you calling a permanent DH? Frank Thomas played a total of 131 games at 1b in his final 11 seasons, never more than 49 games at 1b per year. Over that time he accounted for 23.4 fWAR. This included a 5.9 fWAR season where he was 2nd in the MVP voting to a guy loaded with steroids.

I'm sure it's because Roki thought Dombrowski was mean to Chris Getz in Crochet trade negotiations.

This is a great question actually, because my answer is literally "I don't have a F***ing clue and I'd rather go have some whiskey". Worse yet, we could easily have this discussion at the all star break about his 2nd half, and about his 2026 numbers next offseason, and all we're going to do is make me want better quality whiskey. In 4 seasons he has 1 season of 4.9 fWAR, 1 season of 3.5 fWAR, 1 season of 2.2 fWAR, and 1 season of 0.5 fWAR. How the bloody hell do you project that?

I'll go with Lenyn Sosa.

Vargas. And not in a “he can’t possibly be worse” way. I think he’ll get a little comfortable and actually show something.

Vargas Zavala

This is the wildest part to me. Those Tigers, Orioles, and Astros teams of the last generation were horrendous, and still couldn't close the deal of 121. Plus I am not convinced the Sox were even trying to lose last year.

But the thing is that in over a hundred years even when teams have tried to lose they were never able to lose that many games.

Crochet, Fedde and Flexen produced about 11 bWAR over 83 starts (427 IP). Cannon, Martin, Burke, Thorpe and Bryce Wilson were good for about 5 bWAR in 52 starts (341 IP). It doesn't really work to triple the latter numbers and say we're good for 15 bWAR in 156 starts. I think the new 5 can put up at least as much production as last year's starting rotation, even throwing in Clevenger, Soroka and Nastrini's travails. The top starters aren't as good as Crochet and Fedde, and the back end won't be as bad as Soroka, Clevenger and Nastrini. I would also expect Baldwin, Ramos, Vargas, Sosa, and Meidroth to put up a little more offense than the trio of Nicky, DeJong and the clown car of AAA utility infielders. Why? Growth. Higher ceilings. Regression to the mean. That alone, like the "Chicago White Sox" guy pointed out a short while ago, a team of replacement level players (AAAA) would be expected to win about 48 games. I think the top 4 of our rotation are somewhere between replacement and average ML player (0-2 WAR). Last year's team was uniquely bad. That's why they set the record for losses.

Obviously, I totally agree. It seems incredibly simple, yet they'll find a way to botch it. The only question you really need to ask yourself if your Kevin Warren or George, is this: "If we bring Ryan back, and 2025 looks like 2024, are we firing Ryan?" If the answer even remotely resembles "yes" then you can't let him make the hire for the next HC of the team. If 2025 is his make or break season for you, why are you giving him that much decision making that will significantly impact your future, including when he's already left the building. On top of the fact you've done this now basically the last decade with HC/GM/QB all being on different timelines. It's so black and white, but they'll once again find a way to get stuck in the mud.

Poles should consider stepping down as the GM. There is a very narrow path to success for him. He has to oversee all of the following in one season: successfully pick the next HC (and its accompanying staff), draft/sign through FA a collection of talent who will bring immediate success, take a huge step forward with Williams’ development, all the while competing in the toughest division in football. Impossible. Especially when he hasn’t checked any of those requirements to this point! Why would anyone believe he could somehow make it work? A important question for me is try to decide is, what is our metric for deciding if Poles was successful or not? Is it as black and white as, playoffs or he’s fired? What about if the Bears finished 9-8 but missed out on a final playoff spot? Or, a scenario where Caleb and the offense looks great overall but the defense continues they slide and they finish below .500? I wouldn’t be surprised if both Johnson and Vrabel did not select the Bears. The Jets will entice Vrabel with a voice in the GM search. Even with their meddling owner and Rodgers drama, having your voice heard is a powerful selling point. There’s a possibility the Cowboys also pivot towards him. With Johnson, the Jags will offer him more roster control than he would get here. Also, are you sitting across the sidelines watching this disaster of a team thinking you can fix it? Then whatever relationship you have with Poles, you have to deal with another GM the following season. The easiest path forward for the Bears starts with firing Poles. Then, we immediately become a more attractive option for all of these coaches.

Sure, but “we’ll believe it when we see it” and “everything they do is bound to fail” are two completely different sentiments. Every single Sox fan should be saying “I’ll believe it when I see it.” That’s the exact skepticism that’s warranted with this dumb ass organization. But assuming everything they do will fail is not even skepticism, that’s just nihilism, which, why even bother at that point.

You know, I was thinking "oh Kwan has to be have way better hitting metrics than Madrigal", but they're very, very similar. Kwan just maximizes this profile because he doesn't chase, which means he takes a lot of walks and makes good swing decisions, meaning his subpar exit velocity doesn't matter as much - Kwan is 94th percentile in xBA, Madrigal is way lower. Fixing Madrigal could be as simple as getting him to not swing at trash, but if it were that easy I'd imagine the Cubs would've done it.