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If the White Sox actually took advantage of the market they are in, and ran this franchise like anything but a family convience store, they would be a highly profitable team with a lot more revenue coming in on an annual basis. The disparity exists for them because of their own stupidity and stubbornness.

Who the heck wants them to suck worse than last year?

So what's going on with you ? Do you want them to throw more money at players who have a better chance of fetching better prospects at the deadline ? Do you think a $10M signing for a year makes that player more likely to play better and get better prospects at the TDL ? I thought people here just want them to suck worse than last year and play the kids and spend nothing. How many $10M players do you think will be the right amount ? Some will fail just like $3M players. I mean we can't just go around blocking all our prospects and wasting money can we ? Mostly I hear how everything is terrible but no one here can say what's the right way. Sucks waiting on a new owner . So far it's really helping the Orioles isn't it ?

Other teams spend on things like this all the time and still manage to also have a reasonable payroll. The Sox have to do this now because they’ve failed in choosing the wrong front office, scouting, development, and technology for years and years. And we still don’t know if they nailed it this time either. No bonus points granted for that.

Yeah, I mean with the record of 10 straight World Series going to the Dodgers and Yankees, how could you deny this?

The corpse is barely in the ground...

Fortunately I answered that question already like my next post after the one you quoted. It's a slow and painful process that's unlikely to work to a high degree of satisfaction to anyone and then when JR passes away who knows what happens ? That's the best way I can explain it.

Would you choose a minor league stadium playing for a major league team, or major league stadium playing for a minor league team?

I want to better understand what the goal is. Is the goal to move the team? Is it to turn over the roster to new prospects and the new way of doing things? It would kind of suck if they are not spending just to move even though I guess I’d understand why. I hope they have exhausted all options within their price range to improve the roster so as to flip players at the deadline. Of course Feddes don’t grow on trees and the old way of rebuilding isn’t possible anymore. And they have already traded away 2 of 3 blue chip players on the roster (if Robert still is considered one) so they are almost out of shots in the arm and need to develop.

It would so awful to be like Baltimore and coming off of multiple seasons in a row in the playoffs with one of the youngest offenses in the game. Those poor fans.

That's twice as much as they gave Fedde. What if he plays like crap and you cant flip him ? I think the Sox aren't spending $29M right now on any one player when they have boatloads of young guys to go through . They don't care about getting any better this year.Well a little better .They don't want to set any new records for losing .

18.) Schultz - 60 FV 33.) Colson - 55 FV 38.) Teel - 55 FV 41.) Smith - 55 FV 54.) Quero - 50 FV 92.) Braden - 50 FV

Possibly. It is an odd profile: tons of contact, almost zero swing and miss, but goes outside the zone, 30 power. So, all the OBP is in the batting average and there is no slugging. If he doesn’t have plus defense, that’s barely a regular. Maybe he’ll get stronger or more selective, but right now he looks like a second division regular.

1. This low of spending could easily be them saving up to move the team. 2. More than half of this spending has been moronic, with Getz bringing in his precious field generals for the great leadership of 2024 or blocking players because he doesn’t understand the needs of his roster. The spending has been poor. 3. There would actually be an opportunity here to build for the future if we targeted guys who were tradeable. Take advantage of the low payroll and use it to accumulate talent. Sign guys coming off injury or down years to 1 year deals with options, sign a couple of relievers to 1 year deals. Trade away any at the deadline you can - look what “shot through the garage Chapman” did for the Royals. Instead we are trading away 18 year olds to bring in 32 year old pitchers with career 1.5 whip numbers in the minors or 22 year old pitchers away for nontender candidates and those have taken up all the available roster spots.

To be fair Cali 2020 was a bastardized 60 game season. They did make the playoffs but if they'd be able to do so if a usual schedule was played is an honest question.

Wilson had like a .630 OPS with disappointing defense last year. He has some work to do to win RoY.

Caulfield just liked to stir the pot. Doing his best I'm a teacher and this is how to get some discussion on Soxtalk. He should be a mod.He does more during the bad times to keep this place afloat than anyone . It's baseball talk at least.Better than telling everyone to quit carrying water or childish sexual analogies for attempting to have some optimism for Getz' plan.

Definitely too outside the box for JR.

Why are we complaining about the Sox having a low payroll. They’re trying to suck, they should have a low payroll.

I’m hoping Steven Wilson can bounce back and become a good trade chip just due to reliever weird randomness.

No one.Why would you ask me that ? I'm not advocating for that. I'm just telling you what's going on . I thought it was pretty obvious if you follow the whole situation closely enough.I know not everyone does. That was sarcasm about playing the kids and suck as much as last year to illustrate the point that there are a lot of different opinions about what do do because of dissatisfaction with the results so far from Getz. Some peoples reaction to that is just play the kids .Why block them with Rojas ? Why spend money on Tauchman and Slater ? Why trade youth for fringy arms ? My sarcastic reaction to that is if you do that you will suck as bad as last year. There's no doubt the plan is to be better than last year.Hopefully it'll succeed but I doubt it'll be much of an improvement. After all they do want the best shot at #1 pick in the draft. During the 1st rebuild the Sox always did just enough not to be the worst team in baseball so they never got a #1 or even a #2. With the anti tanking rules that changed the draft order it's more imperative now that the Sox get a 1 or 2 pick.

Well, if he does, it turns into a great trade assuming Thorpe is a decent starter.

Yeah I’ve accepted it could have been better but he was coming off a down year. Hopefully Zavala blows up.

I'm of the belief that the White Sox should not do business with the Dodgers (or Cardinals). There was absolutely no reason for the Dodgers to rip-off the Sox like they did with Vargas. I know Getz should have known better, but he didn't, and they knew he didn't. Intentional win-lose trades aren't good for the game or for either team. The Dodgers could recompense a bit with some giveaway trade to clear their 40 man; but not for any sort of prospect - not even a lottery pick.

Famous last words from a bad GM. I seem to remember him using the plural “parades” as well.

I'm not sure where you're going with this, and I have a feeling you agree with me on that. Other teams having good farm systems doesn't negate the Sox stepping up and updating their methods. KC and Detroit have sucked for a decade. They better have good farm systems.

That's just it. Stabilizing the entire youngish/inexperienced infield for one season and flipping him for younger talent down the line. Risk/reward, opportunity cost/marginal utility...like holding onto Robert into the start of the season. JR would only see the downside risk of that kind of move. That's why he's stuck in last place.

Yea because the prospect of playing in a minor league stadium this season is super attractive for a free agent.

The longer it drags on, Alonso is going to sign for a lot less than those projections we saw a couple months ago just like Kim signed for a lot less than projected.

No, I promise you no one here will care if all of that happens.

No one cares about your Padres

There will always be a team that will take on a decent reliever for a pittance, especially if the Dodgers include some cash.

Hard to compare NFL results with what is happening in the MLBs. How many Patrick Mahomes are there out there, for signing? And no one thinks the White Sox should be out here spending like the Dodgers or Mets, but spending like the Twins or Royals would be a nice start.

If they want to send real prospects for the Sox to do it, they should absolutely listen to the pitch. They still need PLENTY of position player prospects.

Guess we're not other teams are we ?

But you don't need to spend on that level to compete. Teams all over baseball prove that every year. Cheap AND stupid is the killer.

If he really has a back problem, 3b seems problematic to me for different reasons.

What the revenues show is the White Sox are missing a golden opportunity because they can't run their organization correctly. And now are relegated to asking the state for handouts.

Thanks - I didn't realize that was part of Law's piece. I guess I haven't thought of Burke as a prospect in a while.

Considering the reception Reinsdorf got, they probably didn't want projectiles in people's hands.

First off, good call on the baseballs. They were 100% confiscating baseballs at security, so you saved me $20 and some major frustration. I still do not understand this policy (which was not communicated), as they were not even selling baseballs at the merch table. A few things turned out very well. As soon as you mentioned no baseballs allowed at entry, I started scouring through my baseball cards (an old hobby I have recently picked up again), and I was able to find a Colson and Bryan Ramos. Since time was limited, I ended my search there and packed both cards in cases. After arriving, we looked around for a bit and found the "meet and greet" room. The workers told us they did not know who would be signing next, but they would be receiving the wristbands and info soon. Once the "package" was delivered to the workers, we approached them and one of the two "meet and greets" just so happened to be Colson and Bryan Ramos together, along with Cubbie Mike Tauchman. It was fate and we secured our wristbands for that line. Colson was extremely outgoing and friendly with me and my son. He took the time to engage and joke around with both us, asking my shell-shocked son what sports he played, which I had to answer for him, and also giving me advice on which pens/sharpie worked best on baseball cards. It was by far the highlight of my son's night, and who am I kidding, mine too. Ramos appeared to be slightly less shell-shocked than my son, but understandably fairly overwhelmed by the event. He still managed to be friendly and welcoming to my son, despite slightly crushing the baseball card he attempted to sign lol. Tauchman kept his shirt on, thank God, and was also kind with my son. He was able to get separate pictures with all of three of the players. After that, we were able to get in the other line with Edgar Quero and Miguel Vargas since everyone with their wristband had already signed and there was still time left in the hour. For those two players, we did not have anything to sign other than the little Sox Fest poster they gave us at entry, already containing the Tauchman auto. While planning to get the posters signed, we struck up a conversation with two young gentlemen in the line behind us who had a whole book full of White Sox baseball cards. After a few minutes, they very generously offered my son a baseball card for each player. He very appreciatively accepted and we were able to get those two cards signed as well. During our downtime for the meet and greets, we attempted to check out the only other activities, which was whatever was happening in the main theater and the merch table (also in the main theater). Every time we checked, there was absolutely nowhere to sit as every seat in the theater was occupied, and even the standing room area was crowded and we were always in the way. We did check out the merch table and made a few trips to make purchases. They were selling "mystery" bags for $80, which included a "mystery" signed baseball, a "mystery" bobblehead, a White Sox Bluetooth speaker and a few other smaller things. The bag was a very nice White Sox cooler bag, which will come in handy for road trips. We went for it, and the Bobblehead was Luis Robert, but unfortunately, the mystery auto was the Cub Mike Tauchman, which was greatly disappointing so I decided to roll the dice again and get another cooler bag in the process. This time it was Yaz Bobblehead and Paul DeJong auto baseball. I was done "gambling" at that point and convinced him that Paul DeJong was an awesome autograph to have. We also purchased a Mark Buehrle slip and slide Bobblehead. Overall, I might have been able to experience more if I was attending with other adults, but that many people crammed in a space with nowhere to go is overwhelming for a child. You were not kidding when you said it was not kid friendly. Since there was nowhere to sit in the theater, we were not able to experience any of the programming happening on stage. When he got a little hungry, we bought a few hot dogs (pizza, hot dogs, and popcorn were the food options), but we ate them sitting on the floor in the hallway because there were no areas to sit and retreat. No tables/chairs outside of the occupied seats in the theater, unless I was missing something. This was also difficult for me as I was carrying around two cooler bags, a bag I brought in, and two Sox Fest posters. With nowhere to sit, it was difficult holding onto everything while trying to eat a hot dog, sitting on the floor in a theater hallway. You were not kidding when you said it was not kid friendly. It was also extremely unorganized where none of the workers seemed to know what was happening, and no schedule of events was provided. I hope they do not attempt this format again. I find it odd that prospects/younger players were the focus of the event, but not younger fans. I miss the previous formats with an open floor, a schedule of multiple activities to choose from at any given time, and an area with tables to sit down and gather yourselves. This event was a cluster, and felt more like an adult night out that requires alcohol to quell the chaos. Oh, and we got to ride on a school bus.

Woof. River Ryan is a nice prospect, but is 26, injured, and a pitcher. Oh yeah, and Gavin Lux is Gavin Lux. The hardest of passes.

When JR hired Getz, JR said that Getz knew the system and org., so he wouldn't have to spend time getting familiar with everything. I suppose from that one could infer that JR expected a fairly quick turnround. But I don't recall the Sox saying they expected to win. One could also look at their actions. They trade their best pitcher for 3 prospects. They trade their 2 best relievers; one for roster fillers and the other for prospects. The make a clever signing of Fedde and almost immediately peddle him. These aren't the actions of a team trying to win now. The organization has never recovered from December 9, 2014, when the estimable White Sox GM cut-short a rebuild that was actually working. Instead he decided to push in his chips and rent Jeff Samardzija for a year. Undaunted by the abject failure of that move, GM followed it with a series of terrible moves that deepened the hole. In July 2016, the GM announces he’s rebuilding again: that might have been the most asset-rich position from which to start a rebuild in ML history. And how, we’re at it again, with some assets, but nowhere near what we had in July 2016. Hahn did arguably his best work as GM grabbing some good young players when he cleared out the bullpen in 2023. Getz comes in and he doesn’t have a whole lot to work with. He likely goofed the Cease trade (there is still hope); He made a great move acquiring Fedde, but really effed up his departure trade. He did what his goofball predecessor should have done with Crochet; so far, it looks good. There is a long way to go. I don’t have great confidence that Getz can get this done. But he didn’t cause it and he didn’t hire himself. And hope and pray that we have some hidden farm talent like we had in 2014... and that Getz realizes it (something his predecessor never did).

https://www.mlb.com/news/top-100-prospects-list-mlb-pipeline-preseason-2025?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage Here it is...

You clearly aren't a huge prospects fan...and try to post a live list on a mobile phone while it's still being announced on MLB Network. The whole thing will be up at mlb.com in 22 minutes anyway.

Only 3.5m next year, 1.5m buyout. Honestly, this is a slam dunk move by Getz. 2nd half of the season with the Padres he had a 3.4 ERA with a 1.2 WHIP. He pitched his ass off. Given the salary restrictions by the owner, this is an A move by Getz.

Part of me wonders if there is a trade in the works (Martin or something) that would clear a spot, which is why they haven't announced their signing from last week.

I discovered this site back in 2003 around the time Greasy and Bearsfan joined. I decided not to join because I was apprehensive and a serious introvert. But after the Jeremy Reed talk (he was my favorite prospect at the time) I grew some balls and joined right after New Years in early January 2004 under the name J.Reedfan8. I believe @knightnialso joined around the same time as me. It was ALOT different back then and I miss the old crew and days but I'm so happy Soxtalk has thrived for so long. Most of us were young teenagers or in our 20s back then. Now we're all old fucks, most are married, most have kids etc. Merry Christmas everyone!

Here are some Soxtalk legends: Fathom: (I envision him as a nice guy in real life; knows his stuff, used to get mad when we lost to Cubs, I think he played baseball longer than most on here). Caulfield: Same as Fathom. Seems like he'd be a nice guy in real life. Used to make interesting posts about China. He and Fathom seem like kind souls. Harry Chappas: Not only has ties to Brother Rice but has reasonable posts and also never gets mad on here. Seems like a nice guy as well and a proud southsider me thinks. WhiteSox2023 also has Br. Rice ties and seems to have his head on straight. He hasn't been around as long. Milkman Delivers: On the list of most likely to punch greg in the face if we met. I just don't think he likes me much. I could be wrong. Ron883: I think he is ok with greg. He's posted a long time, seems reasonable. I think we've disagreed on some players' value in the past. Texsox: Seems like a nice guy. I think we would agree on political stuff in real life. Mabe not. Those few come to mind right now. Peace on earth to all over the holiday season.