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Wait, we talking Schriffin or Getz?

He has this lilt to his voice, where his tone curves up then down, like he's trying to force the excitement, brag about a solo HR to break up a shutout, 7-1. He brings nothing to the broadcast. The facts and insight, any of us could read off of a sheet. Benetti has the voice, knowledge, can speak to the moment. He's corny, but I found him very listenable. Schriffen is none of that.

Schriff is better than last year, and I think he's put in a lot more work, but he's still pretty unlistenable. But Agrest is wrong that "sac fly RBI" is redundant. There are sac flies that advance runners without scoring them. Also, his mention of Boog Sciambi as a gold standard doesn't resonate a whole lot with me. One's mileage may vary, of course, but I find Sciambi to be cookie-cutter boring. Someone in this thread mentioned Amin, and he's excellent. We had a guy kinda like that (yes, I know his humor was not appreciated by some on the board), and let him walk.

He does seem like a nice guy, but I agree, time for him to go. https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports-media/2025/09/18/white-sox-john-schriffen-steve-stone-gordon-beckham-chicago-sports-network-mike-mccarthy-marquee-sports-network

I agree we are seeing two different teams. The one we are looking at, even with the couple nice streaks, and (debatable) “pretty impressive” staff is the second worst team in the league closing in on their 3rd straight year of 100 losses. We are all grabbing on to the good things, but this season has had its share of WTF as well

Playoff Hagen Smith has been an absolute joy to watch tonight. Thought he might go deeper, but he's done after 5 no hit innings. 2 walks, 10 Ks on 73 pitches. Struck out the side in the 2nd and 4th. Left with a 4-0 lead, Palisch took over out of the pen.

He needs to leave and try to get an NBA gig somewhere. It’s obvious that basketball is his true love. When you are a true fan of a sport, you do your research on it. I guarantee you he would have no problem spitting facts left and right about the Knicks or Bulls. He just isn’t much of a baseball fan and has barely any Sox knowledge.

One can only hope

A sub 65-97 pace for a full season is not actually considered good...by most fanbases.

Why not both?

.500 prior to what? Yes, im watching the second worst team in baseball and you appear to be watching replays of major league and jack parkman to assess the White sox.

How can i say that? Because there are 100 chase meidroths in baseball and he's the opposite of a rare commodity.

This losing streak & batting slump is unfortunate but had made to .500 prior to it. If that doesn't mean anything to you or you can't see the improvement or envision a fairly competitive batting order for next year, led by a pretty impressive manager & staff; you & I are clearing seeing two different teams.

I think the problem with the hot dog bit is that he wouldn’t let it go when Beckham wasn’t gonna play along. The more he forced it the worse it was

Crochet was getting traded, bad teams trade talent for prospects, baseball 101, get over it! His performance is a non-factor in this discussion. It's what Getz got in return that's important. The 2 positional players are both very solid to exceptional & Gonzalez thru 19 innings has been a very good bullpen piece. Braden has a very real chance of playing next year. How can you not say Chase is a possible "guy" as much as Teel? His BB acumen is 10 years older than he is. He & Teel exact same mold. Baseball trades are so iffy and Getz got back some outstanding potential. Compare it the Sale trade!

he fits the product

Not much to argue about with that review. We also need new guys when Stone is taking time off, Beckham is horrible and Plesac is a clown.

Is there an invention yet where we can merge Sosa and Meidroth together and have 1 solid 2B?

Chicago's MSA is around 9.5 million, Dallas is 7.6 million, so not all that close. True, the Chicago area population is shrinking, but it still has a lot going for it, with regards to location, especially due to climate change. Of course, it's got its issues: underfunded pensions, crime, taxes. But Texas is a major disaster waiting to happen, with increasing heat, operating off its own vulnerable electrical grid, etc. Here's the top 20 MSA's, btw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area

Each MLB team has exclusive territorial rights to certain metro areas. The Rangers would never in a million years allow a 2nd team in the DFW metro area. While I agree that the NYC area (perhaps in NJ) could support a 3rd team, the Yankees and Mets own the rights to that area and would never allow it. The A's tried to get a stadium built in San Jose, but the Giants own the rights to that area and blocked that attempt. Ironically, a couple of decades ago the A's ceded the San Jose rights to the Giants when they were looking for a new ballpark.

There has been some individual progress but you are right, the defense is awful, they still can't grasp fundamentals successfully and the pitching is practically non-existent in part because they can't keep anybody healthy anymore.

To paraphrase Derek Zoolander, "but why White Sox baseball?"

Link Agreed, the 78 being in a much closer proximity to downtown as well as the sizable difference in public transportation ridership in the area alone could theoretically boost the casual attendee. They'll have their work cut out for them if they want to get into the 78, mainly who's paying for it and clearing it with the Plan Commission.

Coun't agree more. He's fine, but nothing special. Far from any sort of gold standard for baseball PBP thats for sure.

The City of Chicago? Shrinking. The Metro Area? No.

I think the problem with Schiff is that if you asked ChatGPT to create a White Sox PBP guy, John is what it would spit out. It's predictable, flawed, and overemphasizes things it shouldn't.

I agree. He didn’t deserve the job, but since he had no previous experience as a lead MLB announcer, he works for cheap, and does what he’s told no matter how obnoxious the request, like what was mentioned calling Vargas a star.

He’s actually grown on me, i hope he stays!!

Agreed on all accounts. Except Benetti still can't tell when a home run is being hit until it's in the stands. Depth perception issue or something. I think Schriff has "tools" but hasn't developed them at all. He makes me laugh sometimes in a cornball sort of way. I like some of his calls. I thought we were getting a guy with actual hands-on baseball knowledge though considering he was technically a pitcher on the Dartmouth team....but damn.

the habitual losing formula............trying to find the less smelly item out of a dumpster

Exactly...or like competitive eating contests or dog shows.

The hot dog bit would’ve been funny if Beckham wasn’t a homophobic douche. Why is that the focus of the article? That’s the least of Schriffen’s problems. His problems are a lack of baseball knowledge and preparation. His non-baseball bits are generally good. But 90% of his job is talking about baseball and he isn’t good at it. if they could combine Mcknights knowledge with Schriff’s personality and energy, you’d have a great announcer imo. To me this falls on his manager for not telling him he needs to beef up his ball acumen. It’s not hard.

The article says that Jon Sciambi is one of the best in the game. It couldn’t be more wrong. The rest of the article is worth about as much. He’s improved from being with Stone and I’m fine with him.

Column is dead on correct.

Someone else is going to pay for it, the new owner. At least I hope so. I can't imagine the new owner wants to stay at the present location.

If Ald, Dowell is opposed to a privately owned White Sox stadium at the 78 she should get a kick in her behind. I would think the City of Chicago would welcome a privately owned baseball stadium with open arms.

You left out the next sentence, but the following few seem to be important as well. TL:DR, they still seem to not be ruling it out as of now.

I believe that apartments and such were always part of the original plan. The lot is still big enough to hold two stadiums and as of now the site hasn't been ruled out for a Sox stadium. They've been mum on it since a few months ago when they mentioned that they were still considering the site after the Fire announced their plans. I believe that the Fire plan to have the stadium opened in 2028, so they need to get going on construction and all that jazz.

Jerry is likely still futiley working on getting a taxpayer-funded stadium before he agrees to chip in with the Fire.

I've often wondered what Southwest suburb would be good for a White Sox stadium. I live in that area and there are alot of White Sox fans out here. If they built a stadium in Arlington Heights you would be moving the team away from their fan base. At one time Rosemont seemed to be interested in building a stadium for the White Sox. That also would be away from their fan base.

To be fair, they did it 20 years ago. Then they just...stopped?

Fans can't wait to pay something like $10 in tolls to get there via the Skyway or deal with all that awful traffic (including lots of huge trucks) on the Borman Expressway! Say hello to Miami Marlins-level attendance numbers.

Nothing is coming soon, we both know that. We are gonna be stuck in a yearly loop of WBWSF musing that we are losing the Sox out of state without any actual indication that is happening

As always, Reinsdorf can’t see how to make more money when he is making enough money

The only reason why there wasn't development around New Sox Park was because Reinsdorf never wanted it -- he wanted the parking lots. Period. Shortly before his death, Jim Thompson remembered that the master plan was always to build a hotel along with housing and retail complexes on the site of old Comiskey Park. Here's Thompson's quote on this topic, from his State of Illinois Oral History. Thompson: "When I was chair of the Sports Facilities Authority, later, I had visions of building across the street from the park, on 35th Street, that whole block. But I couldn’t get Reinsdorf to do it. He just didn’t see the utility of that or its relevance to him and the White Sox organization and the ballpark. But I’m a dreamer and a builder—as we’ve already determined—so I wanted to see commercial activity right across the street. I was thinking of apartments and a hotel and a retail complex." Here's the complete transcript: https://presidentlincoln.illinois.gov/oral-history/collections/thompson-james-1-1-1/interview-detail/ Also, remember that an entire neighborhood (South Armour Square) was leveled to build the new park, so there's plenty of room for a housing/hotel/retail complex -- much more acreage than the 78.. Also, note that Ald. Nicole Lee is in full support of development around the new park: https://www.chicagomag.com/chicago-magazine/april-2024/the-new-sox-parks-billion-dollar-question/ And remember, the area is much different now that it was 30 years ago -- Bridgeport has been revitalized by the Chinese community and others. And Bronzeville on the other side is 30 years removed from housing projects, etc. Could this attract visitors year round? It's a good question, although the infrastructure (multiple modes of transportation, existing vital neighborhood flanking the area) is already there.

From a White Sox perspective the important item to note is that the Ishbia's at least tried to win. It didn't work out but they tired. As a Sox fan I'll take that right now over what JR has been giving us especially since 2007.

Ugh. I wouldn't go to a Cub game if u gave me free tickets and food and parking. Been there, done that as a kid. ... The alarming thing is how the Sox lost fans like me with their lousiness since winning it all in 05. I mean greg is/was a diehard! I talked about them like I post about Brother Rice now. Passion. I still can't name our pitching staff; I do know the everyday players for the most part tho.

With your status as a Cub fan, this makes sense.

I care......alot

No offense, but in this day and age would anybody care if the Sox moved out of state? We already have the Cub and the Sox because of Jerry and all this losing generally regarded as inconsequential IMO. The state is NOT gonna give Sox owners any money for a new stadium. We know that. So that means the Sox either shut up and stay at 35th and Shields or the new owners move or build their own stadia at the 78. ... I'm thinking most people in Chicago think of Jerry as a businessman making money off the people of Chicago, not trying in the least to entertain or win. Good riddance most will say or Bye Bye if they are kinder than that.