WestEddy Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 "Tracy" Lourdes Gurriel signs with Arizona for 3/42. Opt out after 1 year, $14m team option in 4 year. I would think this makes Eloy look expensive at $13 mil and a $3 mil buyout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, WestEddy said: "Tracy" Lourdes Gurriel signs with Arizona for 3/42. Opt out after 1 year, $14m team option in 4 year. I would think this makes Eloy look expensive at $13 mil and a $3 mil buyout. We would be lucky to get similar numbers from Eloy in 2024. Hard to imagine a team gives up much for him in trade this winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 38 minutes ago, WestEddy said: "Tracy" Lourdes Gurriel signs with Arizona for 3/42. Opt out after 1 year, $14m team option in 4 year. I would think this makes Eloy look expensive at $13 mil and a $3 mil buyout. Man, that’s pretty cheap. I thought he’d do better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: "Tracy" Lourdes Gurriel signs with Arizona for 3/42. Opt out after 1 year, $14m team option in 4 year. I would think this makes Eloy look expensive at $13 mil and a $3 mil buyout. What would Billie Lourde/s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 3 hours ago, WestEddy said: "Tracy" Lourdes Gurriel signs with Arizona for 3/42. Opt out after 1 year, $14m team option in 4 year. I would think this makes Eloy look expensive at $13 mil and a $3 mil buyout. Keeping Eloy is the smart thing to do IMO. Protection for Robert is a real thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 3 hours ago, WestEddy said: "Tracy" Lourdes Gurriel signs with Arizona for 3/42. Opt out after 1 year, $14m team option in 4 year. I would think this makes Eloy look expensive at $13 mil and a $3 mil buyout. I'd rather keep him and hope he puts a good season together and move him at the deadline than trade him for a bag of heavily used baseballs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) Counterpoint (after several posts to the contrary): Eloy is a rare talent...a monster at the plate. If he is removed from the middle of the WSox order you probably cede this season, and the next few to a rebuild and at the same time you diminish the prime years of Robert Jr.. Whenever you bring in a new player, you don't know what you will get and how he might fit in. Eloy is an asset in the clubhouse (including with Robert ) and with most of the fan base.. It is always exciting to see the big man with red gloves come up to bat at key moments of the game, including against the cubs. Sox traded Burger. Trading Eloy would be even more short-sighted and foolish. Now if you just don't like the guy, OK, keep trying to suggest trades that involve him and maybe one will get it done. Edited December 18, 2023 by tray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 hours ago, poppysox said: Keeping Eloy is the smart thing to do IMO. Protection for Robert is a real thing. Good point but Eloy struggles to be in the lineup on a consistent basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 hour ago, SCCWS said: Good point but Eloy struggles to be in the lineup on a consistent basis. And him hitting behind Robert seems to give me a great reason to walk Robert, Eloy will just hit it on the ground. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 36 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: And him hitting behind Robert seems to give me a great reason to walk Robert, Eloy will just hit it on the ground. Kinda need to be a threat with the bat to offer protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 hour ago, tray said: Counterpoint (after several posts to the contrary): Eloy is a rare talent...a monster at the plate. If he is removed from the middle of the WSox order you probably cede this season, and the next few to a rebuild and at the same time you diminish the prime years of Robert Jr.. Whenever you bring in a new player, you don't know what you will get and how he might fit in. Eloy is an asset in the clubhouse (including with Robert ) and with most of the fan base.. It is always exciting to see the big man with red gloves come up to bat at key moments of the game, including against the cubs. Sox traded Burger. Trading Eloy would be even more short-sighted and foolish. Now if you just don't like the guy, OK, keep trying to suggest trades that involve him and maybe one will get it done. The 2024 season was already ceded months ago... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: And him hitting behind Robert seems to give me a great reason to walk Robert, Eloy will just hit it on the ground. The career. 800 Ops is awfully enticing though. That's a pretty good hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 hours ago, tray said: Counterpoint (after several posts to the contrary): Eloy is a rare talent...a monster at the plate. If he is removed from the middle of the WSox order you probably cede this season, and the next few to a rebuild and at the same time you diminish the prime years of Robert Jr.. Whenever you bring in a new player, you don't know what you will get and how he might fit in. Eloy is an asset in the clubhouse (including with Robert ) and with most of the fan base.. It is always exciting to see the big man with red gloves come up to bat at key moments of the game, including against the cubs. Sox traded Burger. Trading Eloy would be even more short-sighted and foolish. Now if you just don't like the guy, OK, keep trying to suggest trades that involve him and maybe one will get it done. The only way this franchise doesn't cede this season is if every other team in the division/league forfeits. That's not going to happen and the Sox aren't going to be anywhere close to worth a damn in 2024 whether Eloy is around or not. If a good offer comes along ship his lazy, injury-prone ass out the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, ptatc said: The career. 800 Ops is awfully enticing though. That's a pretty good hitter. Except not as a pure DH...unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmb0928 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 He needs a stretching program that he starts now every day. Too stiff and pulls muscles all the time. He has no flexibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 I still think an Eloy for Jake McCarthy swap makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpton Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: The only way this franchise doesn't cede this season is if every other team in the division/league forfeits. That's not going to happen and the Sox aren't going to be anywhere close to worth a damn in 2024 whether Eloy is around or not. If a good offer comes along ship his lazy, injury-prone ass out the door. It would be just so annoying to see Eloy stay fit on another team and start racking up numbers like he is capable of. But the reality is that if he stayed he will probably pick up some freak injury shortly after spring training and miss half the season! And as you say even if Eloy has a return to his rookie season in numbers the White Sox will still suck in 2024. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 4 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: I still think an Eloy for Jake McCarthy swap makes sense. I don’t know…McCarthy’s rookie season looks like an aberration. I’d actually prefer gambling on some prospects. Barfield should obviously know that system well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 10 hours ago, ptatc said: The career. 800 Ops is awfully enticing though. That's a pretty good hitter. You must not have gotten the memo. We can't say anything positive about the team or players. Now you know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 19 minutes ago, poppysox said: You must not have gotten the memo. We can't say anything positive about the team or players. Now you know. That's been the standard for a decade. I've never been a rule follower. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 33 minutes ago, poppysox said: You must not have gotten the memo. We can't say anything positive about the team or players. Now you know. If one thing is for certain, there’s been lots of great baseball the past decade. /green 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 10 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: That's not going to happen and the Sox aren't going to be anywhere close to worth a damn in 2024 whether Eloy is around or not. If a good offer comes along ship his lazy, injury-prone ass out the door. Your feelings/assessment of this player are valid on the surface but again, I have to counter with some examples that support a contrary conclusion about Eloy's value that go beyond his excellent career numbers. Eloy is at the prime of his career at 26 yrs old. But consider the net negative to our Chicago teams when players like Bobby Hull, Carlton Fisk, Ron Santo, and Mike Ditka were not kept in the fold. I am not equating those players with Eloy or Burger. However all of those star players had value to their respective teams and to this city that even exceeded their value on paper. More recently, trading Jake Burger, a beloved player that one could argue was injury prone after 2 Achilles injuries, was short sighted. Fans loved watching him come to the plate to see a 430 ft. bomb and his smile as he crossed the plate and entered the dugout. Getz should not be as foolish as his predecessor Mr Hahn. Everyone would prefer to win the WS every year but mlb teams are in the business of entertainment. That should be obvious when teams like the cubs are popular despite a long history of failure. I will go a step further with this thought. Perhaps Grifol is the wrong face for the organization. Maybe a Manager that has a bit of personality and flair would add to fan interest. Same should pertain to the replacement for Benetti. I'd like to see a homer in the booth. My 3 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 7 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: I still think an Eloy for Jake McCarthy swap makes sense. Yeah, they should still have a need for a RHH. Eloy can DH and Gurriel can play LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 hours ago, tray said: Your feelings/assessment of this player are valid on the surface but again, I have to counter with some examples that support a contrary conclusion about Eloy's value that go beyond his excellent career numbers. Eloy is at the prime of his career at 26 yrs old. But consider the net negative to our Chicago teams when players like Bobby Hull, Carlton Fisk, Ron Santo, and Mike Ditka were not kept in the fold. I am not equating those players with Eloy or Burger. However all of those star players had value to their respective teams and to this city that even exceeded their value on paper. More recently, trading Jake Burger, a beloved player that one could argue was injury prone after 2 Achilles injuries, was short sighted. Fans loved watching him come to the plate to see a 430 ft. bomb and his smile as he crossed the plate and entered the dugout. Getz should not be as foolish as his predecessor Mr Hahn. Everyone would prefer to win the WS every year but mlb teams are in the business of entertainment. That should be obvious when teams like the cubs are popular despite a long history of failure. I will go a step further with this thought. Perhaps Grifol is the wrong face for the organization. Maybe a Manager that has a bit of personality and flair would add to fan interest. Same should pertain to the replacement for Benetti. I'd like to see a homer in the booth. My 3 cents. I'll only comment on Fisk. He played from 1981 through 1993 with the Sox...how many years did you expect him to play? 25? He was treated very badly by JR and the organization but honestly as a player he was done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 It's hard to see any team giving up much for Eloy. Someday, he's going to figure out how to get the ball in the air more often, but thr Sox can't seem to help him. I don't think he's the problem child some make him out to be. His teammates love him. He did lose the weight the Sox wanted him to lose, and then his appendix burst. I guess what I'm getting at is I wouldn't trade him just to get rid of him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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