bmags Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Can they unload more salary in the deal? Boegarts or Manny? I could see both teams going for that. Their prospects are nothing special imo but Volpe, Peraza, Dominguez, Thorpe isn't too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 As always with the Yankees....I hope it doesn't work out for them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 https://theathletic.com/5102002/2023/11/30/will-the-padres-trade-juan-soto-plus-how-to-hire-a-manager/?source=freedailyemail&campaign=601983 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 11/29/2023 at 1:21 PM, wegner said: As always with the Yankees....I hope it doesn't work out for them. Looks like he's only under contract for this next year at $23M and then he's a FA. I want him to be good for the sake of fun baseball, but hope he turns into Jacoby Ellsbury for a year if he goes to NYY. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Man, Oops! All shortstops does not look great in retrospect unless Preller extracts a bounty here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Quin said: Man, Oops! All shortstops does not look great in retrospect unless Preller extracts a bounty here. Losing 700 innings from the pitching staff looks even worse. The complementary guys like Grisham, Nola, whoever they threw out at DH, Cronenworth were just not good enough...statistically they looked like an 85-88 win team all season long. But always lesser than the sum for all their individual parts, which was Preller's fault more than the numerous managers he's employed. Basically, they were just terrible in tight and close games...extras...the majority of the bullpen other than Hader was just bad enough to make them a sub 500 team until the very bitter end of the season. Kim and Tatis won GG's...it's just that Bogaerts and Machado weren't nearly as good as their 2022 levels and even Tatis offensively wasn't close to his 959 career average coming off all the downtime and injuries/corrective surgeries. He did at least pretty very he could stay on the field for a full season...not unlike Luis Robert. Edited December 1, 2023 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Losing 700 innings from the pitching staff looks even worse. The complementary guys like Grisham, Nola, whoever they threw out at DH, Cronenworth were just not good enough...statistically they looked like an 85-88 win team all season long. But always lesser than the sum for all their individual parts, which was Preller's fault more than the numerous managers he's employed. Basically, they were just terrible in tight and close games...extras...the majority of the bullpen other than Hader was just bad enough to make them a sub 500 team until the very bitter end of the season. Kim and Tatis won GG's...it's just that Bogaerts and Machado weren't nearly as good as their 2022 levels and even Tatis offensively wasn't close to his 959 career average coming off all the downtime and injuries/corrective surgeries. He did at least pretty very he could stay on the field for a full season...not unlike Luis Robert. In retrospect (or at the time), the Bogaerts deal was just insanity without Soto or Snell locked up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Quin said: In retrospect (or at the time), the Bogaerts deal was just insanity without Soto or Snell locked up. That was the most critical error, in retrospect…but especially at his age, to give that many years. Choosing hometown hero Musgrove and Darvish for extensions wasn’t that great either, or Cronenworth. Like Benintendi, reports his wrist wasn’t right the first 4 1/2 months of the season. Red Sox lost two stars and then basically doubled down on and cost Bloom his job…that was equally bad because he seems like the quintessential won’t age well guy, obviously he’s such a good hitter, albeit not a complete player unless combined with Moncada on the defensive side. If there’s one player outside their #9 minor league system (Padres) I’d take a shot to rebuild in value…it would definitely be Trent Grisham because of his GG defense or Cronenworth if they ate a big chunk of his salary…Gary Sanchez would be another to at least kick the tires on, he put up excellent power numbers in limited action, and that#’s what the Sox need a lot of. Finally Profar out of Colorado, same as Cronenworth, but would need a ton of money/subsidy back again. One of the worst in baseball after a strong 2022 overall. Imo, If they hadn’t made the Clevinger, Nola and Soto trades…this franchise would be 50% better off than their current financial predicament…having to cut back to roughly $200 million losing at least 20-25% of their newly-activated fanbase in the process. Edited December 1, 2023 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 🤔🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Tnetennba said: 🤔🤔 When’s the last time our boy Hector was actually right? 😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 23 minutes ago, hi8is said: When’s the last time our boy Hector was actually right? 😆 Definitely could be a leak from Soto’s camp. Seems to be Hector’s M.O. nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 Mookie Betts signed an extension with LA. The one way to increase his value from SD’s perspective is find a team that’s willing to break the bank and give Soto an extension before the season starts. Maybe the Giants…if they fail on Ohtani and Yamamoto. Blue Jays and Cubs desperately need postseason breakthroughs. Yankees are always a possibility…but unwilling to give up 2-3 top pitching prospects so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Mookie Betts signed an extension with LA. The one way to increase his value from SD’s perspective is find a team that’s willing to break the bank and give Soto an extension before the season starts. Maybe the Giants…if they fail on Ohtani and Yamamoto. Blue Jays and Cubs desperately need postseason breakthroughs. Yankees are always a possibility…but unwilling to give up 2-3 top pitching prospects so far. Juan Soto is a Boras guy. He's not extending with anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Juan Soto is a Boras guy. He's not extending with anyone If you put $500 million down as an offer right now I bet you could make it happen, if it’s somewhere he wants to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 31 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If you put $500 million down as an offer right now I bet you could make it happen, if it’s somewhere he wants to be. Didn’t he turn $400m down already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Eminor3rd said: Didn’t he turn $400m down already? He turned down $440 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 13 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: He turned down $440 million. And yeah, that was clearly a >$60 million discount from his fair value. He also is getting over $40 million from his 2 arb years, so playing out these 2 years and signing a $500 million deal nets him $540 million. It was a strong offer and a reasonable one for a guy 2 years from FA but it was also a discount compared to what he would get 2 years later as a FA. Boras isn’t dumb, he knows the market for these guys. He won’t advise his guys to sign for less than the market, but if a guy gets a full market value offer from the Yankees and wants to play there, he won’t miss it on the off chance of a better one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 With all the payroll being slashed, maybe the White Sox will be in the running for Soto by the time he is a FA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, ron883 said: With all the payroll being slashed, maybe the White Sox will be in the running for Soto by the time he is a run down FA. Fixed 😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 4 hours ago, Balta1701 said: And yeah, that was clearly a >$60 million discount from his fair value. He also is getting over $40 million from his 2 arb years, so playing out these 2 years and signing a $500 million deal nets him $540 million. It was a strong offer and a reasonable one for a guy 2 years from FA but it was also a discount compared to what he would get 2 years later as a FA. Boras isn’t dumb, he knows the market for these guys. He won’t advise his guys to sign for less than the market, but if a guy gets a full market value offer from the Yankees and wants to play there, he won’t miss it on the off chance of a better one. When's the last time a Boras client extended instead of hitting FA? I legitimately can't recall it ever happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 hour ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: When's the last time a Boras client extended instead of hitting FA? I legitimately can't recall it ever happening. Strasburg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Deal is official 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) Soto may hit 50 HR’s next year, all those fly outs in SD will be 15 rows up. Edited December 7, 2023 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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