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Gotta hand it to the guy, broke his back and playing through the pain.

Keuchel wasn't signing with the Sox. He wanted to go to a contender where he'll have eyes on him and a better opportunity to parlay his performance into the contract he wants. He very much could still be an option for the Sox next year though. I get complaining but the Sox not getting Keuchel is nothing to really get that upset about, imo. If they don't spend this off-season, than people have every right to be truly ticked. Last off-season I get the frustration given the expectations...but the team was still a year away. With the progress they've made thus far this season, the timeline requires them to make a big investment this off-season because the team has flashed enough to indicate it is ready.

Steve and Jason are awesome. We're lucky to have both of them.

what in the actual fuck are you talking about? he's been fine so far tonight

I don't have to wonder this, at all. It's actually not even remotely similar. Homer Bailey has had an ERA over 6 each of the past FOUR seasons. An ERA over 5.50 each of the past FIVE seasons. Combined his ERA is over six in those 5 seasons. His WHIP in those seasons were 1.7, 1.8, 1.7, 1.6 and now 1.5. He has surrendered 12, 13, 11, 12 and 10 hits per 9 innings. Last year he went 1-14 with a 6.09 ERA. This year he has a 6.05 ERA. ERA's of 6.43 6.65 and 5.56 in the seasons prior. Nova has been an above average starter his entire career until his sudden struggles in the first half of 2019. Last year he had a 4.19 ERA with a 1.2 WHIP. The year prior a 4.14. The year prior a 4.17. With WHIP's of 1.2 1.2 and 1.2. Lopez is a young, developing pitcher with coming off a season where he produced a 3.91 ERA and a 1.2 WHIP. Manny Banuelos is a career minor league pitcher with 13 career Major League starts to his name at age 28. I think everyone realizes he does not belong in a Major League rotation. He has remained in the White Sox rotation due to the extent of injuries endured to the staff and may not for much longer. The White Sox, at no point, came into 2019 with the idea of having Manny Banuelos in the rotation. He is a temporary (albeit extremely inefficient) Band-Aid. He will likely never get another look as an MLB starter again. Homer Bailey is 33 years old and you can make the argument he has been the single worst pitcher to start in the MLB on an extended basis... every season... for four consecutive seasons. Yet, he was brought into be apart of a Major League rotation. I do not think I need to explain the difference between that and any of the three pitchers you named. Especially Nova and Lopez. For crying out loud. lol

Imagine actually being mad the Sox didn't sign Keuchel in the year of our Lord 2019. YIKES

Luis Robert has to take a shit Twitter: Definitely a broken back or something

Good lord. They didn't give a 30+ year old SP $13 million for a year where they have no chance again. Calm down.

If they didn't send Giolito down last season, they're not sending Lopez down this season. /thread

I don’t even care about signing any FAs as much as I care about sending Ricky packing. For all the fluff we heard about him being into advanced stats and a great clubhouse guy he’s just bad.

That's how you know you've finally made it in life.

Ha, now he pulls him. Ricky is so unbelievably bad

Don’t buy the excuses. The Sox thought Manny’s camp was bluffing and they didn’t have a 300 offer, IMO. It was a blown negotiation, end of story.

If bad takes were water, you'd be Buckingham Fountain.

That was yesterday. They were rained out tonight.

BTW Nick Madrigal had his AA debut today with 3 hits and 2 stolen bases. Very nice!

I mean really Yonder should be released

Let's just make two game threads from now on: one for optimists, one for pessimists. I don't think either group will miss the other.

Spoken like someone that enjoys seeing Yonder bat 4th or 5th.

You can, but you're going to have to close your laptop

Take it FWIW but Thompson’s instagram simply says “Chicago Whitesox” beneath the bio pic. I’m sure we all believe he’s signing but thought that was worth pointing out.

What is your logic on this other than just viewing everything white sox related in a negative lens?

It's cool that Hahn came from the type of family that allowed him to get multiple degrees during his 20s and then go into a virtually unpaid position as a scout, but a lot of baseball orgs have harvard mbas and multiple degrees so it's not really an advantage. His degree hasn't led to anything particularly advantageous vs. other clubs so I'm not sure why I should praise it.

Phase 14 of the rebuild: Eloy Jimenez retires

You know, Renteria should be proving to you that putting a lefty in the middle of the order just simply because he is a lefty is not always the smart idea. All year long he has been awful and multiple players should have been hitting higher than him, and yet he keeps getting shoehorned in there despite his strikeouts and low average and inability to get on base. You play your best players in the best positions for them to succeed

Like last year, can I request we get a GREEN bold for players signed UNDER slot, and a RED bold for players signed ABOVE slot? I guess regular black bold can be players signed AT slot.

I'm almost to the point where I think they should bring him to the big club so he has the entire offseason to work on any adjustments that he may need to. They need to go Twin hunting in 2020.

https://www.milb.com/scores/whitesox/2019-06-07

The benefit about Keuchel signing a 1 year deal is that he's a FA again in 5 months, and the Sox can nab him then if they want. And no pick attached this time.

Well said, every young player eventually takes his lumps in the majors before becoming a final product. If Luis continues killing AA then call him up this summer and let get acclimated in this throwaway season so that next year the young guys are battle tested and acclimated to the majors. We're seeing the fruits of that strategy currently with Timmy and Yoan.

I hadn't noticed

Yup. Service time be damned, it's more important they all be good at the same time. You got your savings on Eloy, you're getting them on Cease, Giolito, Moncada. It's time to stop worrying about 2027 and start worrying about 2020. If you're going to punt 2020, whatever then, wait until April, but punting would be a bad decision. It's not because I want to be entertained in 2019, it's because I want the best possible version of Luis Robert in 2020

I think it's dumb regardless of its effect on the white sox. If you are bad you get earlier dibs on the prospects, should get larger pools for international. Maybe increase the amount for bottom 10 teams int he draft that they can spend on players in rounds 11-40 without counting against their cap, from 125k to 200k. But this is way too large of an advantage, again, we can see the incredible value still assigned to 2nd round picks in free agency. To just hand them out for free, along with revenue sharing and all the other benefits, is too much.

Madrigal was 3 for 4 last night and got called up to Birmingham AA.

They're dumb because we think the Sox should be considered for one, because the Cubs own the lion's share of Chicago baseball fans, and MLB doesn't want to acknowledge that. Part of it has to do with the Cubs being a national brand. If they're going to do competitive balance picks, it should be for competitive balance and teams with a 5 year average under 75 wins should get one, the market size shouldn't matter, winning should. Also, teams that have missed the playoffs for a decade straight should get one until their next playoff appearance. The whole point should be to help longtime losers like the Sox, Padres and Mariners rather than small markets who have found ways to win due to being better at analytical scouting than everyone else like the Cardinals and Rays.

If Keuchel has a solid 3 month stint with the Braves then this is actually good for us. He would become another reliable LH starter on the FA market for 2020 when we clearly need to go buy one.

https://sabr.org/research/chances-drafted-baseball-player-making-major-leagues-quantitative-study A high school position player drafted in the 4th round has a 6% chance of making the major leagues. I would say making it as a pinch runner is a win even if they are a dime a dozen as you say.

I really dont understand your logic here. you want them to trade Colome and Abreu both of which are currently helping the team win. this will decrease their chances of winning this year. Yet you want them to sign Keuchel to a 1 year deal to try to win this year?

If you've never had to shit mid-game during any sport you participated in, did you really play said sport?

Thank you. This gave me a good laugh to end the night.

Yeah, Hahn already wasted enough money on garbage like Nova ($9M), Alonso ($9M), Herrera (2-years / $18M), Jay ($4M), and whatever they had to pay Santana to leave after 3 starts. Jesus, that’s $40M+ total wasted in one offseason. But Keuchel at 1-year / $13M for the Braves is a nice deal. Hopefully, Hahn will learn from this going forward, start signing difference makers over veteran has-been’s, and improve on his FA signings. But I sincerely doubt it.

I think it's really something how Rick Hahn is made out to be a dullard by some on this forum. He is a Harvard grad with agent experience. He has done some great things like extending Sale, Q & Eaton and then turning those players into a gold mine of talent. IMO we could do a lot worse than RH. Now Kenny is another story.

I find it funny that framing is used as s stat to judge catchers. If umpires would do their jobs framing wouldn't matter. Bring on the robot umps.

The Twins have shown you can win without signing premium free agents and finding solid mid tier talent. The problem is Hahn is not good at finding the mid tier talent like the Twins have found.

I think they'll land Glass and Gladney for sure. Trenkle and Krogman are the two I'm waiting for. I'm doing the tracker updates this year though so feel free to let me know if anyone hears anything.

Also it's clearly not helping teams keep their talent, it's only benefit would be player salary suppression.

Moncada is on pace to have a 5.3 WAR season. He has been really good.

i still think Avi is an eventual HOFer and its a real shame that his bust in Cooperstown will not feature a White Sox hat.

If you literally question if your manager is bad after almost every game, your manager is bad.

He sucks so much.