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If it makes you feel better, Yoan4Moan is a Cubs fan troll who's been banned under other screen names. Jerry kicked Lip's dog in the 80's or something and he hasn't said anything positive on these boards since 2001. If you can actually make it through an entire Caulfield ramble, you might actually be crazy too. If you ignore those 3, the board starts making a lot more sense. Carry on.

I love the armchair pitching coaches even more than the hot take meatballs though. He had no fastball command after the Yankee game? Are you people for real? He was cruising tonight with the fastball change combo and had 13 swinging strikes. Got by against the Twins solely with the change....fathom you‘re a fucking hoot. ?

I mean, how many sell out crowds have they had? 6-7? They won their home opener, beat the Yankees the first two. Lost to the Cubs now and a couple others. This take is nothing but recency bias every time.

Hope Lester does not get 2 ft off the corner again tonight

All I can think of is that it's a mental thing with him. It's happened to pitchers before, just can no longer find the strike zone and the more they think about it the worse it gets. But with him it is incredible, going from leading all minor league pitchers in strikeouts to a guy getting ready to take a quick ride to retirement. With Fulmer I think it is a combination of his bizarre delivery which cause him to miss often his release point, the fact that the Sox rushed him in my opinion to the majors in some misguided effort to "justify" their selection of him and then having had his delivery tweeked and changed so often that the guy no longer knows which way is up.

if we get a good nova game tomrorow

Moncada gets on base then my guy bats with game on the line ... not a good scenario as I'm usually doomed. I better log off.

Another hit for Rutherford. 3-4, 2B, RBI

I like you as a poster, but it’s ok to just admit he sucked in a game. You don’t need to act as Giolito’s publicist...we all like him.

My favorite game-thread trope is when people exclaim "Just throw strikes!" Like the pitcher is actively trying to throw balls instead.

This is just set up for a walkoff eloy granny.

He did? He was fine for the first 4 innings. He lost his mechanics in the 5th. Enough with the nervous and spazzy shit. You all sound so stupid

That inning was a total anomaly for Giolito this season. If you're trying to read more into than that, it's quite the meat ball take. No one claimed he was a completely finished product and finely groomed ace. There was always going to be a little bit of regression. What did you think? He was going to maintain a 0.83 ERA that he had over that stretch? Get the hell out of here. End of discussion.

Cubs just have his number. The Sox lit up both Strasburg and Sale. It happens

No, but apparently it is fun to post the hottest meatball takes the second something bad happens for a lot of people here

Either this forum is infested with trolls or you guys just love to be miserable.

Man am I stupid or what?

Yup. They are both doing fine.

You do god's work in these game-threads.

Imagine believing that

Shocked Lester didn't get that call.

That was a pretty easy shorthop. A major league 1b has to pick that

I'm not falling all over myself. I'm merely saying that at the time it was not the most ridiculous trade ever. Trading a burned out prospect and a lottery ticket (that happened to become a $100,000,000 lottery winner) for a former very good pitcher is often done and sometimes the pitcher turns it around. For you to suggest Cole Hamels was Cy Young and Shields was garbage...and most of your evidence is Hamels winning more popularity contests and being hot in the 2008 playoffs and using "shit" and "fuck" and lots of questions marks doesn't make it true. At his peak Hamels was better than Shields but Shields pitched in the AL East as TBR best pitcher and Hamels in the NL East behind the great Roy Halladay . The five years prior to the trade Shields had 18.3 WAR and Hamels had 18.9. Shields was making $21 million a year, Hamels $23. In their 34th year they were terrible...Hamels with the five game stretch of 10+ ERA immediately before the trade. I don't think the comparison is out of line. But honestly...You win. Go back to the daily self flagellation about one trade that turned out bad and how management is stupid and everything is horrible and it will be horrible forever.

I don't know if there's anyone here who has as consistently opposed the white sox rushing people over the years as me, so keep that in mind when I say this. I want him up earlier than that. He has a good spring training and a good month in AA next year and he's my first baseman. If something goes wrong and his numbers aren't there, fine...but this is a hitter who should be ready to go. Get him to AA this year. Are they heading to the southern league playoffs? Start him in AA next year, let him prove he's better than those guys (he absolutely should be) and f*** it, throw him into the fire.

Home runs have never been part of this kids game, so I wouldn’t worry too much about how many he hits this yearI am sure the Sox will work on getting him stronger, and eventually he will reach the seats enough to shut up the doubters. That said, he and Robert started in A ball this year. And going by recent history, if Madrigal gets another promotion this year, it will be to AAA. I would say if that happens, let them finish out the season there, and see them in spring training. 4 levels in one season is a bit much, and with Roberts history of injury, you probably would be playing with fire having play an extra month after really hardly any playing for 2 or 3 years.

dannnng you guys slept on Ronaldo Guzman’s line. 5 IP, 7 Ks, 1 BB, 2 H, 1 R.

Time for @CaliSoxFanViaSWside to take one for the team ?

Greg...you have every right to like any player and have an opinion just like all of us. We're fans and have cheap opinions. Nothing is going to change because of anything said here. I won't be surprised if your closer on what happens in the Jose situation then the people giving you a hard time. The FO lived with Konerko far past his expiration date.

Of course, then, there’s the obvious irony in that either Yoan4Moan or Lip’s worst posts are still infinitely more insightful, interesting, and far better thought out than any of what would be considered your best posts. Go figure.

https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/prospects/stats/affiliates?date=07/06/2019

As is saying Jose refuses to DH is hilariously bad and when asked to prove it .. crickets. Jose has DH'd 26% of his games played this year which is way up from 10% last year. Also didn't he ask you if you thought Vaughn will get any kind of significant time in the Majors in 2020 that you also didn't answer ? Assuming Vaughn gets any significant playing time next year is a long shot. It's also laughable if you think he was comparing Vaughn to Lance Broadway. I know you know he means the Sox have an unsuccessful recent history with 1st round picks. Not a single soul should be thinking Vaughn will spend a large portion of next season with the Sox and I wanted him in Winston -Salem and the Sox started him a level lower at Kannapolis .Even him making opening day 2021 might be a stretch

Maybe soon like right now

Saying it now... Jerry West is the goat.

If I count Madrigal and Vaughn as covering positions next year (and yes, I am counting Vaughn, Madrigal, and Robert all as starting in the bigs by June 1 of last year) there are very few positions for this roster left to fill.There is plenty of money to sign the top starting pitcher on the market and the top reliever on the market if that's what we ant to do, and even then we still won't hit a $100 million payroll. Paying Jose Abreu fairly as a 1-2 fWAR player at $13 million a year, especially given that he kinda counts as a player-coach...I'm totally ok with that. The only downside is that he's a righty and this is a very right handed lineup, but frankly, if being too right handed winds up costing us in a playoff series in 2020...you know what? That means we made the playoffs. Fix stuff afterwards!

He’s my personal favorite. Young for league, good ISO, BB and K%

I keep feeling like the Brewers and Sox are a great fit for a Colome trade. I have no idea if the Brewers and/or Sox would do this, but Burnes is a great buy low type guy from them. He's had a miserable start to the season, as he can't keep the ball in the park. With that said, he has elite stuff (ridiculous spin rate numbers) and wouldn't mind giving him starts the rest of the way to see if he can work on his command inside the zone.

You also had Hamels going from the AL and a launching pad for a home park to an NL team in a pretty even offensive home field. Shields was the exact opposite of that.

Recent college bats that have gone to the majors a year after being drafted: 2015 MLB Draft #1 Dansby Swanson (569 PAs in minors before coming up) #2 Alex Bregman (679 PAs in minors before coming up) #6 Andrew Benintendi (657 PAs in minors before coming up) 2014 MLB Draft #4 Kyle Schwarber (621 PAs in minors before coming up) #10 Michael Conforto (589 PAs in minors before coming up) #13 Trea Turner (871 PAs in minors before coming up) The only reason Kris Bryant didn't come up in 2014 was because of service time manipulation. Vaughn is supposed to be one of the best college hitters of all time, if he is raking in the minors and ready by the All-Star break next year then bring him up.

As soon as Anderson returns, putting Leury in RF would be fine, for the rest of the season. If both Robert and Madrigal are on the team next year, they could do worse than having Leury in RF, while the top OF prospects continue to develop, on the Farm.

Plenty of people would argue AAA is an unnecessary step.

Thanks for the responses guys. So I guess the answer to my question is “not much”. Was just thinking about the development curve of Moncada and Giolito (and maybe seeing the same trajectory for Eloy) and thinking guys that are this close might benefit from getting their feet wet sooner and working the kinks out before it they’re in full compete mode.

Leury is an every day player. He can hit for average, has speed on the bases, has a gun for an arm, and can lead off. Benetti said that he had about as many base hits as Castellanos does this year. I'd bring up Robert and have Eloy, Robert and Leury as the starting outfield for the rest of this year and to start 2020, No reason to give Palka another 60 AB's in the majors while Robert is held back. Leury is good enough where the Sox can wait for an internal option (Basabe, Rurherford, Walker,,) to develop and replace him down the road, if necessary. I would bring Madrigal up to play second, Rendon at short (until TA comes back) and Leury in RF. Stop switching Leury between infield and outfield.

You said if much better than I could. Fantastic post.

Greg, are you dense? Did you not just gloss over two posts in which Chicago White Sox and I explained why Machado is worth more than Abreu? Go back and read the posts before you utter more BS.

Two quick points: 1st - It's amazing how much better defensively Eloy has gotten in LF, and it's pretty much understood that his improvement is from putting in extra time with Boston. But here's the question, why wasn't his defense worked on last year in the minors? He had to have been bad last year like he was at the start of this year. Why wasn't that extra work put in last year? This really makes no sense to me. When people complain on here about poor player development, I usually just pass that off as sour grapes and complaining to complain. But really, why has Eloy improved so much in just a short time in the majors, and really, why did he come to the majors with so much room for improvement? 2nd thing: I agree that Lopez has been completely awful, but wow have some poster on here been overreacting. Put him in the bullpen? Send him down? I'm pretty sure that at the start of the year, after his great end of the year last year, that most people would have said that Lopez was our # 2 starter after Rodon. In fact, some people thought he might be our # 1 with Rodon's inconsistencies. Are our memories really that short? Lopez was great the last 1/3 of the season. I know it sucks, but give him some time (and a little faith) to get it together. The people on this board are so ready to just give up on this player or that player.

Considering the last two years he was worth 6.1 bWAR and 3.7 fWAR, he's easily worth $6million a year. His career OPS is also weighed down by his first three years when he was sub .600. the last two years he's been right around .700. I've got no issue whatsoever giving $6million to a utility infielder who plays plus defense at every position, has great range, and is a great clubhouse presence. That's actually a bargain for what he brings to the table. He's exactly the type of bench player you want on the team when we start to compete again.

It seems to basically be a combination of the endowment effect and loss aversion. Endowment effect states that people tend to value things they own more than an identical thing that they do not own. You will see this all the time when talking about prospects. You could propose a trade for two basically identical prospects and both fanbases would say the other team wasn't giving up enough. We always value our prospects more than if that same prospect were in a different organization. Loss aversion is the tendency for people to get more dissatisfaction out of losing some amount of value than satisfaction from gaining that identical value. If you lost $100 you would lose more happiness than you would gain if you were to gain $100. Because of this, losses seem to hurt more than gains. But one important way these two things compound is that loss aversion is not based on the true value you gained or lost, but on what your expectation was. So because the endowment effect shows that we tend to value our own players more than we should, our expectation is higher for them so any loss aversion has a higher starting point resulting in an even greater difference between the downside and upside. TL;DR: Behavioral economics says that we will gain much less happiness from winning a trade than we will lose happiness for losing a trade, which seems to check out.

I think the best time to trade a reliever is during the season while teams are in the hunt for playoff spots. That’s when you can put a premium on your relievers.