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Clearly, this organization has a long way to go to even be mediocre. Here’s a list of our 40-man trash that could be released without a blink: Banuelos Cordero Covey Detweiler Frare Fulmer Herrera Jones Medeiros Nova Osich Ruiz Vieira Castillo Zavala Reed Goins Sanchez Engel Jay Cordell Palka Tilson Look at that list. Take it all in. The idea that this team is remotely close to contending is laughable. Thank you JR. You can’t disappear soon enough.

Does this really warrant a thread? Complain in the gamethread with the rest of the folks.

One Jose down, two to go

Yes, we've gone 4-13 in the last 17 and it hasn't been pretty. Yes, it is hard to watch teams like Minnesota and Oakland absolutely trounce us. Yes, it's worrisome to watch guys like Giolito and Cease struggle, sometimes mightily. However, I think we need to get a collective grip on what real swings of a baseball season are, even for competitive teams, because I think the board has taken a sharp dive towards unbearable lately with some of the sky-is-falling/rebuild has failed talk, especially in game threads. The very best teams struggle to win 60% of their games in no small part because even great playoff teams have 20 game stretches where they play like absolute garbage. I urge you to consider the following before condemning the entire front office, managerial staff, and organization for what's been going on recently: That currently, even with the terrifying bad stretch of baseball we've been playing, this team is still on pace to win about 73 games. How many wins did you have them down for at the beginning of the season? I had them down for about 74 and I considered that optimistic. That the following good teams have had the following awful stretches of baseball this year: Yankees: 4-8 games 2 through 13 of the season, and then 3-8 in early June. Red Sox: 6-13 through first 19 games of the season (are 12 over now) Minnesota: 12-16 stretch recently. Houston: lost 7 in a row and 9 of 11. Oakland: started the season 14-19 and are 12 over now. Those are currently the five best teams in the American League, and they've all had 2-3 week stretches where they have played WAY below their ability. Not because they suck, but because that's variance, that's baseball, and those are stretches. Yes, 4-13 is a different beast, but 4-13 for a team that is expected to win maybe 77 games at best is similar to 8-12 for a team that expects to win 90. I think what's also been lost in a lot of talk recently too is that I see little mention of people putting into context that we DFA'd our DH without an ML replacement, have been playing without TA for a while, and Eloy went down, and much more mention about how this is failing. We are in a bad stretch. At some point this season, this team will snap out of it and suddenly with 4 in a row or 7 of 8 and that won't make any sense either. Because that's baseball. I still think we are on track.

All the people who complain about how negative this forum can get, well, I'm sorry but all you can be is angry, upset and negative with a game like this happens today. It's Sunday with a great crowd, and we trot out this lineup. Don't you think that deserves some negative, angry and snarky comments about management. In front of this same great crowd, we start a pitcher, who in three seasons has a 6 and 27 record, 6 and 27. Don't you think that demands, not deserves, but demands some angry comments and negative snipes. Then, right as the game is finally having some excitment for the fans and the Sox have the bases loaded with a chance to entertain that big crowd, up to bat comes Castillo with his .181 batting average, who then strikes out, and he is followed by our dumpster dive pickup Reed (we DFAed Alonso so this guy could play?) who proceeds to strike out on three pitches. It's really hard for me to see any reason to be happy, rosy, or optimistic. What this calls for is a futile and stupid gesture on somebody's part.

I’m actually not disappointed in Bush and Sosas season with the exception of some late injuries or fade. You can’t push for aggressive assignments and be upset when there are the correct adjustments. Either one would have been fine starting in rookie ball. They had some streaks of power. The big adjustments will happen in offseason.

I mean, we’ve pretty much been rail-roaded with injuries on the pitching side. Rodon & Kopech should both be in the rotation, Dunning would have probably been pushing for a spot right now, and Lambert was one of our better, more advanced prospects. All those guys lost for the season. On the bullpen side, losing Jones, Hamilton, & Burr (and Burdi to a lesser extent) for the year forced us to give fringier guys opportunities. That’s a lot of injuries to overcome for any organization.

A lot of guys struggle out of the gate. No one expects Collins to be great. They do expect a good OBP guy but he was given inconsistent opportunity. With Reed you expect nothing. Reed was tossed away by a great Houston organization. You may end up being right but no need to give up on Collins yet.

Reed has been way worse with actual consistent at bats (and don't get me started on his glove). Your hate for Collins is fucking bizarre to say the least.

Angel Hernandez must own stock in some tech startup to replace umpires with robots.

Cooper’s taken one for three years and is doing excellent

Sick play by Moncada.

If you don't think it warrants a thread then don't respond to it. Who are you to decide what warrants a thread? It's under "Pale House Talk," which is exactly what this is.

This/that was literally Steve's point. It literally reaffirms what he said. You spend 99% of your day ripping everything white sox online and the other 1% defending theo and the cubs. If you like the cubs and the sox make you so angry and miserable why not just be a fan of them? I dont understand.

This dude claims to have researched the stat prior to challenging it and yet shows he has done no such thing based on his actual argument. Maybe if you knew the poster’s history when it comes to advanced metrics (such as using the beloved “statnik” rip those who use them) you wouldn’t be coming to his rescue. So hey, maybe take your own advice and stay out of it.

Either engage the guy in the discussion and help him understand the stat, as he’s politely asked the folks here to do, or STFU and just stay out of it. No need to be condescending and insulting.

That's not how WAR is calculated. Further, taking the league average save percentage is stupid, because closers are expected to get saves, whereas middle relievers and setup men are not, but they get a good chunk of the blown saves when they give up a lead.

Yet the OF play has sucked all year, rip their ass

So after a 3 year NCAA career where his per 162 average was 33 doubles, 36 homers and 151 walks... And after 1100 minor league at bats where his 162 average was 31 doubles, 24 homers and 129 walks... and with him being only 24 playing one of the hardest positions on the field... And you have completely written him off because of 26 at bats in 9 games spread out over a month? He'll never make it to the Majors again??? That is a weird take. Are you talking about Zack Collins or is there another Collins you are slamming? Weren't you also a huge hater on Madrigal? The site would be better without loud apocalyptic predictions about important players in the rebuild based on a couple of major league games.

Ricky should put himself in a corner with a dunce cap for bunting for one run in two games against the Twins, who have one of the best offenses in baseball. Ricky is a clueless bum.

I feel like Ozuna would be a massive bust here

When it comes to rumors, only trust @peavy44

Matt Davidson could have pitched better.

Hopefully Covey and Cooper get DFA after the game

This was before the 3 run homerun

What will it take for Renteria to use the opener?

Batting Practice. Put the machine out there it would do a better job

No reason too see Covey ever start again.......another great Sunday effort

Covey is a joke.

Also, I love you’re allocating entire wins to the closer because of saves.

Guilty over here too. I was done Danny Richaring him months ago though. Long overdue

100% agree. And when you’re counting on two young guys in Cease & Kopech to be key parts of a contending rotation, it’s even more important to have depth behind them.

I think they would. Gonzalez provides depth, but we still need a guy at the top to help take some pressure of the young guys. If that forces Lopez to the bullpen or Kopech to AAA, that’s a good problem to have.

Man during ST I was really wanting to see Rondon play more.. boy that turned out to be a total bust.. Sox need to stop listening to me

Yah, cause he’s a Cubs fan. He may be a casual follower of the Sox, But also clearly a Cubs fan

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=15172&position=SS We should be realistic about Anderson. 2.5 fWAR is probably his norm, 3ish in a really good season. He’s not going to hurt you there (right around league average), but his OBP will always drag his value along with his careless defensive mistakes. Mammoth is pushing it, at any rate...his leadership, energy and swagger were all definitely missed.

Wrong song, Leroy. Guys don’t get selected to be on the All Star team because of “reputation”, unless they are in their last season of a storied career. Abreu got selected because he earned it through being at the top of the league in several offensive categories among first baseman, which indicates in no uncertain terms that HE IS GOOD. PERIOD!

This. This. This. Why can't people grasp this? Jose just isn't worth much. Low OBP first basemen are a dime a dozen. Offer him 1 year/4 million. If he declines, SEE YA!

Is there video of Ricky railing on him?

Sox lose to MIA- gamethread is 9 pages Sox lose to MIN- 11 pages Sox lose to MIN- 16 pages Sox beat the Twins- 6 pages (probably 5 if it wasn't for mindless Cubs arguing) More activity when the Sox lose. Shocking

Don’t forget leadership

Hasn’t seemed to stop them? They were supposed to have a dynasty and that seems likely to end in the next couple of years. Theo has totally fuck this thing up.

My favorite thing that Ricky has done all year. We've made too many boneheaded plays on pop ups and fly balls (including injuries)... time to start getting that shit together.

I'm not quite there yet, but I'm getting close to being ready to eat crow on Madrigal. Gotta see what he does in the bigs because I know he'll rake in Charlotte. That being said, players like Madrigal projects to be are criminally underrated in modern baseball.

If it were up to me, I'd promote Robert, Madrigal and Collins to the Majors. There will be a learning curve in MLB so they might as well get started now. The Sox are finished for the year and playing these guys won't hurt a bit. With Cease already up the fans could really see what the rebuild is all about. It might also convince a major free agent pitcher the Sox have the talent to win. One other thing, by letting go of some older guys, the clubhouse might take on a fun infectious feel. The last 2 months of losing baseball can be a real drag.

Lol...it’s like the moment OneDog gets the ban-hammer you step up your irrational hate game to fill his place. Marco Gonzalez is currently 29th in fWAR amongst qualified starters (one spot behind your beloved Bumgarner). Calling him a “weak #5 starter” is one of the worst takes I have ever seen on this site in years.

This is what OP is referencing.

Bryce Bush is 19 years old. edit When he was in an age appropriate league, he hit .309 with 18bb and 25k. You might be jumping the gun slightly . I'll worry about Bush when he can legally buy a beer.