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Social media has truly ruined this country.

I think you've confused being on social media with working hard to accomplish goals.

I’m honestly not joking, so much more bad comes from it than good.

No fucking shot. Luis Robert has 7 years of control. The Rays would have to add multiple pieces. Steve Stone is just an asshole on twitter. I laughed at the idea and he asked me if I think they'd be looking for Yolmer and Mendick. No reason to be a condescending douche. I told him that deal would be tough to pull off since Yolmer is on the Orioles now.

We all know he has a dynamite fastball. He hit 101 in spring training this year. The dude has 3 pitches that flash plus, and he started to command them as well. This guy will be a bonafide ace if he stays healthy. Trading this guy would be a HUGE mistake. I don't think the Sox will trade him, either.

I'm breaking 15 years of lurking status on this site to agree with this thread. Glad to sanity start to break into the hypothetical trade talks.

All jokes about food sources aside, the biggest loser out of all of them is Nancy’s pizza. Whoever you are, get a life. Moloney.Adam seems like a nice guy and constantly brings us info.

Not really. The primary thing anyone puts into it is time, and no one's getting it back.

It's an honor good sir. I have to serve as the beacon of sanity here from time to time

You only have time to post every one of their rumors?

Jim Callis on the latest Pipeline podcast makes it seem like Rays won't be getting very top of the sports prospects from teams. He says it's financially motivated if they trade him. Mariners wouldn't trade Julio Rodriguez or Kelenic for him so I doubt Kopech or Vaughn would be in play either.

Let's do the Twitter Insider breakdown. WSD = Good James = Good Portillo's = Broke stuff in the past under the radar (Bummer as an example), now rose to prominence Not Cishek = Cishek Quality Cheesy Beef = Portillo's knock off Schins = lmao no

In all honesty who gives a flying fuck who Al's Cheesy Beef and Portillo's are? Like truly, who fucking cares?

Ok, as a veteran, I'm honestly curious: Did you serve your country, or are you just posting stoopid platitudes? See, i know you "think" you're a patriot, but saying/posting stoopid shit like the bolded is fucking offensive to those who have served, if you're a freedom freeloader. Here's a recco for you, (once you've gotten to my previous reccos to stop watching/reading/listening to stupid political shit, read a book, get exercise, and meet people different from you): If you haven't served, shut your stoopid fucking hole about the bolded part in your stoopid fuckng post. Sound good?

What is the point of a stupid ass tweet like this?

Lol wut?

1. The new evidence would be the lack of positive tests. 2. Nelson Cruz's best seasons were in 2010 and 2015. The fact that he was pacing better production over 53 games in 2020 is not the same thing. 3. You're acting like the only explanation for his production is steroids, which is not true. A simpler explanation would be that Cruz has been a one-dimensional player his entire career who was underrated when he was younger because the baseball metagame was different, and it has just so happened to shift to favor his skills EXACTLY. You might also notice that his wRC+ tracks remarkably well with his BABIP each year -- the past two seasons have been the highest full season marks of his career, roughly 50 points higher than his career average. The two other seasons where he managed a BABIP essentially that high were... 2010 and 2015. If a couple dozen balls landed differently, the story would be way different. If his BABIP was hard-hit fueled and thus NOT luck driven, his career numbers would show it. Further, sabermetric research has shown that the typical career arc for a successful player involves an increase in walk rate over time in exchange for an increase in strikeouts as the bat slows and the approach must become more disciplined to make up for it -- and lo, his walk and strikeout rates have gradually increased over the course of his career. Where is the evidence that he IS a steroid user? What do you know about how steroids affect baseball players? Even the experts will tell you that we know very little. We know steroids can help athletes build muscle mass quicker -- but strength and power are the one thing Cruz has NEVER lacked, and there's been no sudden change in power production at any point. We also know steroids can help players recover from injury faster, helping them spend more time on the field than they normally would as they age. Nelson Cruz has been remarkably healthy throughout the bulk of his career -- until last year, when he had multiple stints on the IL due to wrist issues. When you look at his career arc, it tells a story of an all-or-nothing slugger who has the same season over and over with one exception -- his batted ball luck determines whether he has an okay year, a good year, or a great year. It's all tied to his batting average. It's POSSIBLE that he's a steroid user who has simply been able to trick MLB's testing over the course of a fifteen year career -- despite the fact the so many other players with the same resources have failed to do so, and if it were possible, those with the knowledge and technology would be heavily incentivized to sell their services to as many players as possible -- but Occam's Razor strongly suggests otherwise.

I hear you. However no deal is a sure thing. Let's say we give up Vaughn and Dunning for Snell and Snell hurts himself in spring training. Snell sits out a season and Dunning starts 25 games. Sure its outlandish and sometimes you need to take risks but it is still premature for the Sox to be trading prospects. Perhaps come July if we're sitting 10 over .500 and the perfect piece is out there but free agency is where 100 % of the focus should be right now.

Long LONG time lurker and I had to find my username and password to add my two cents to this whole thing. Greg I get why you are pulling to extremes on this stuff. It’s easy. It’s the way media is going because that is what gets eye balls. But you really need to fight against it. I was really curious about your claim that Portland was still rioting so I did some googling. If you believe that broken windows and graffiti constitutes rioting then Chicago has been rioting since the day I was born… The answer to mass media issues isn’t watching some guy in Portland hunting down antifa, home video style. I watched about 10 minutes of one of those videos you posted and I had to stop. The guy in the video was even talking about the protestors like they were the enemy. It’s toxic and unhealthy. The most important thing is that this is a both sides issue and It’s important that you know that I’m not the left attacking the right. I have a buddy at work that thinks socialism is the golden answer to all of Americas problems and every time a black person is killed by a cop its cold blooded murder. And I tell him this for everything he gets ticked off by. Take some time and find information about the issue from as many sources as you can. None will be 100% truth or fact but you can build a pretty good idea as to what the truth and facts are. Mr. portland antifa hunter isn't the authority on Portland and their unrest.

Very true. I also think WSD reports a lot of what Portillos does. Portillos said George Springer and WSD puts a Springer gif in an article, Portillos said Marquez and WSD wrote a whole piece about Marquez.

Yep, my wet dream of that went away the second the Wilpons lost control. the Mets are going to be a PROBLEM the next couple offseasons with this guy pulling the purse strings.

I think it really comes down to two things. First & foremost, are these guys at all legit? Obviously the thought of someone spilling all the plans of the front office is exciting to those of us addicted to offseason rumors. It’s fun to believe some of these guys are real and at least it generates some good discussion. Second, everyone loves a good mystery. Knowing who they are doesn’t do us any “good”, but it would be interesting to know why they are using burner accounts and not just their own identities like James does. Are they actually leaking info that would expose a source if it came from their personal account? Are they just some loser looking for attention by making shit up and hoping stuff sticks? This circles back to the first item, as one of them being WSD for example would suggest there may be merit to their tweets, whereas a random SoxTalk user would suggest straight trolling. Honestly, with not much else going on, I personally find it fun tj discuss, but obviously to each their own.

I do, soxfan49. I do.

We need KatyPerrysBootyHole to make an appearance

Forget all these food accounts, I have just been here waiting for that guy Clinton Cole to tweet out the Sox will definitely sign Springer by Thanksgiving (throwback lol)

Ok - This thread has gone off the rails. Closing it.

Guys, the election is over. We can stop pretending COVID is a thing.

This is the same kind of baseless rumor that used to be leveled against the East German Olympic track and swimming teams. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Im starting to get really mad now. Can you please stop it NOW with the false claims. The reason why I post them on here is that we don’t have anything else to talk about right now and it’s hot stove season. I love reading about rumors and possible offseason targets and posting them on Soxtalk. Portillos is thought to have good info. Even James mentioned it so quit it with the false claims.

Seems like you have a lot of time considering you post all of their tweets on this forum.

Steve Stone really ticks me off sometimes. Guy is smart and I enjoy his commentating, but on Twitter he is up there with the biggest douchebags in the social media game. Price is Luis Robert? GTFO stoney. Price ain't Robert, no one is dumb enough to suggest that. Snarky ass.

The fact that you know MLB is catching players, meaning you know they are testing and that it's working, and that hasn't affected your hypothesis that Nelson Cruz is on steroids at all is almost a textbook example of bad logic.

If they did, it’s a bad look that Hahn turned around and had Stone leak that so blatantly.

https://www.ganintegrity.com/portal/country-profiles/mexico/ Look at this xenophobic analysis of mexicos judicial system.

Xenophobic? Ok buddy.

That’s why the Rays would want him - they would expect that they’re getting a substantial discount compared to where he might perform in 2 years, and then they can flip him for another Snell like return in 2023. They will take him...if the White Sox are valuing him as a tolerable third piece, not as a major centerpiece. The Rays would also view the lost control year on Kopech as a huge loss, perhaps more than any other team, since they would have less time with him before having to trade him.

I don’t get the Chri Sale comparisons. Sale doesn’t let you take him out of that game! Nor does any ace I would want. Snell is a very good twice through the lineup guy but Tampa was terrified of the third. When I hear ace, I think of the 120 plus pitch count guys or guys you don’t even count pitches when they start. I’m the proposals listed are the cost, hard, hard pass.

You're absolutely right. No way I do this with the Rays. Way to costly for my comfort. Sign Springer. Trade for Musgrove w/2 yrs of control.

Maybe stand pat during hot stove and see how things go around the league given the Covid situation. If Kopech and Crochet are impressive in ST and look like they have the stuff to eventually make the starting rotation, maybe we don't need to trade for a TOR starter. The Sox are not going to trade Madrigal. He fits our line-up like a glove and is worth more to us than to other teams. Vaughn is somewhat of an unknown quantity . Right now Burgur and Vaughn look like they have a similar upside. Both can hit but they can't field any position very well or run the bases. Perhaps Sox scouts got too enamored with Schwarber before making those picks.

Totally agree.

Sox should not be trading ANY of their A prospects, period. That certainly includes anyone expected to start this season on the major league club - Vaughn, Madrigal, and Kopech to name just 3 guys. Why make these trades when free agent pitchers are available to ADD to the team without sacrificing anyone? It makes no sense to me. If you traded Vaughn, you would have a gaping hole at DH, no one to take over for Abreu when his contract is up. There is no one in the pipeline who can replace him at the moment. The Sox had a great offense this year, but it didn't get them past Oakland in part because we still had holes in the lineup. I hope the Sox front office isn't as dumb as so many of the trade-happy fans that seem to gravitate to Soxtalk.

I'm pretty much with you.

This right here man. No way I’m making a major trade with the Rays. We’ll end up looking stupid.

Kopech and Vaughn are top 25 prospects in the sport. Vaughn will be a top 10 prospect at some publications and he plays 1B. The White Sox shouldn't be trading guys like that. Spend some of the cheapskate owner's money instead.

Love snell...but nobody wins trades with the Rays. Hard pass.

Those are 2 top 50 prospects that are MLB ready. It's a pretty damn good headliner for a deal.

Not necessarily. The hope is kopech and crochet become Tor starter's. In my opinion the sox need to bridge the gap until they are stretched out. I think they need to keep them both to compete with the big boys like the Dodgers and Yankees in the future. Just my two sense .

It means that it takes a long time to develop a system rich in prospects like we currently have. We probably have 20 players currently with star potential to one degree or another. Those prospects were paid for with years of losses and the trading of stars like Sale, Q and Eaton. I don't want them traded away when there are free agents available to fill available holes.

I wouldn't even trade two blue chippers for him. I'd trade one. Either Vaughn or Kopech. If I'm the Sox, the guy I part with is Kopech.

I'd be willing to package some combination of Kopech, Dunning, Cease, any of the recent HS draftees etc in a deal for Snell, but I wouldn't put Madrigal or Vaughn in the trade. Fangraphs depth charts have Madrigal projected at 2.9 WAR next season. Snell's at 3.7 but that's with an innings total (176) he's only reached once in his career. The upside for Snell is likely much higher than with Madrigal, but I don't think it'd be unlikely at all for him to just be *better* than Snell next season and that's without getting into their respective contractual differences.