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His ass.

Almost no one here would want to keep Madrigal if it came down to either him or Vaughn in a trade.

I’ve thrown this out there before, but if you want to go for it all (and won’t sign Bauer), then you trade Vaughn for Burnes and sign Cruz for two years.

It's such a sad deflection that it isn't worth responding to. "You should move somewhere else that you'd like better" is not an excuse for corruption or racism or whatever else here to be acceptable and not a big deal.

Milwaukee was probably reading this site and was like, "Dude, I know we basically agreed on Stiever, but these Soxtalk clowns love Crochet. Give me the phone. I gotta call Rick."

The important thing is we keep posting here regardless forever.

As far as I'm concerned, if the Sox sign Cruz he is a 40 year old just hitting his prime. Anyone else signs him, he is an obvious raging roider.

I want to keep Madrigal if it comes down to it.

Oh hello sir who joined 19 hours ago to pump up the food accounts after this site started to doubt them, welcome to Soxtalk

Nope

Finally, someone with integrity upholding their own guarantee and or ban bet. Welchers, take note.

Now are u all covinced that hahn and co tiying with us?all fas signing elsewhere with big $$$ and we soent 50 something on a closer.have fun watching that Circus,id rather watch san diego cause theyre serious about winning

Seriously. At this point, I rather take my lumps with Reynaldo and use the money to get Nelson Cruz. Make that offense elite.

Half the reason I want Cruz is to annoy the fuck outta Twins fans

At this point, we know the Machado stuff is legit. Dude was going to sign here until Padres came in a couple days before they signed him. So I don't really fault him there.

Nelson Cruz + Garrett Richards = AL Champions

Otoh, believing America is great as is and still isn’t in need of significant improvement is what led to the last five years. One side, trying to preserve the 1950’s, the other embracing a more diverse culture representative of all Americans. If you’re a woman, minority, immigrant, non-Christian, LGBTQ...maybe America hasn’t been so great. In fact, we’re having an argument today about no longer referring to immigrants as “aliens,” and, when you imagine being referred to in that way, you perhaps wouldn’t feel very welcome, either.

EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY YOU LISTED AS SUPPOSED S***HOLE COUNTRIES HAS FEWER COVID DEATHS PER CAPITA THAN THE US AND IT ISNT PARTICULARLY CLOSE.

You started the comment by saying "This public health stuff is difficult" which sure seems to be excusing the objectively terrible response to the vaccine rollout in the US. This stuff is tough guys! Mistakes are going to happen! You then set the standard for a response as "third world countries." So long as the US is outpacing countries with significantly less wealth and resources, we're doing A-OK! Finally, the response to criticism of how the US is handling things is "where would you rather be living?" The implication here is, and continues to be, that if you criticize the US COVID response, maybe you should leave. And if your point here is to just say, "guys, I think the US is great notwithstanding its flaws!" it really isn't particularly on point for a thread specifically about COVID...

You are like the character in a horror movie that keeps calling out to evil spirits as a joke and then they show up.

I think it's obvious Hahn is waiting until SoxFest to make a move.

FoodAnon

Count me as part of the camp that thinks Madrgal + Heuer is too much to give up for Burnes. The trade is fair only if Burnes hits his ceiling and that's not how trades should work.

Just write "?" constantly and we'll hang on your every tweet.

The lack of a college season killed him. If he had pitched anything like he did for the White Sox, he would have been a 1-1 or close to it.

Hello Soxtalk, Long time reader first time caller. Sorry to get everybody excited with my Twitter post. I’m not sure how credible you will consider a nobody like myself but I do get a decent amount of info. Here is the truth to it: That package is something I have/had heard from multiple people as to what was on the table and potentially ‘close’ for Burnes. I may be in the minority but I didn’t like it. Burnes has electric stuff (savant is beautiful) but to me I don’t know why we give up Madrigal/Heuer/Kelley for a guy with 9 starts and was previously an up and down reliever. It’s a decent amount of depth from a team that has limited trade capital for a fourth starter that would be able to pitch 100-120 innings tops in 2021? Is it really so hard just to sign that depth starter (Richards) and figure out the Cease/Kopech scenario as the season goes? Or in a perfect world, have done this for someone a bit more projectable like anyone the Padres got? Or Sonny Gray? Or sign Trevor Bauer (ha..ha) Burnes ceiling is the moon but so is Kopech’s and Crochet’s. We have guys like him. I would rather have someone with a higher floor. So, as a total joke in a chat I’m in, I said I am going to say the deal is ‘done’ and try to ‘Joc Pederson’ it. I figure it would be a funny win/win either I get the deal or I can believe I jinxed it (which I’m sure I have nothing to do with). So first of all, Hi! Second of all, sorry for my dumb tweet you’ll see I don’t even really post on Twitter. Third, that Reddit guy is way off base. His idea that the trade was ‘done’ but the Brewers asked for Crochet instead of Stiever? Yeah a deal is ‘done’ but then the team asked for a headliner instead of the fourth piece, doesn’t work that way. He’s pretty far off. No clue if anything here ever happens but it seems they will talk to the Brewers until the dawn of time with Codi Heuer going there for something. They’ve been at this since the deadline last year.

Burnes is 50 inning removed from a season his ERA approached 9.00. The Brewers would be selling hign, and if they are selling, considering they are in a position to win, they may know something.

I'm shocked. I never saw this post coming.

I think Chris Archer would be a good pickup. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/chris-archer-502042?stats=statcast-r-pitching-mlb He opted out last year, where he missed an opportunity to work with new pitching coach in Pitt where Musgrove saw some success when it clicked. Look at this quote from February of last year: https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/02/14/pirates-pitcher-chris-archer-is-ready-for-new-season/ In his 4 IP in spring training last year, he had 2 IP, 4 ks, 1 hit, 0 runs. Hardly something to hang your hat on, but still it's something. In Pitt, Searage forced the sinker into his rotation and a curve. Neither were good, and it seemed like they made his slider less effective. His changeup went from excellent sink to below average. Get him back to being a 3-pitch pitcher and see what he can do.

See that's the thing, with the offense we have, and the players we have at each position in on the field, Vaughn would be the 1st guy out of the top prospects I would be willing to trade. Now I say that, but if I trade him, I am getting back a big time pitcher who has proven himself. We have tons of offense. We have 1B and DH covered, and guys like Eloy who are future DH's. If Vaughn could play RF it would be a different story.

Typical Yankees bias. No way is Voit above Abreu.

congratulations on taking over greg's role, we really needed that being replaced.

Is he finally gonna surprise us with Machado??

Tex, come on. The Trump administration had no plan for a vaccine rollout period - and the Biden administration has to start from scratch (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/report-biden-admin-discovers-trump-had-zero-plans-for-covid-vaccine-distribution; https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/19/health/trump-biden-covid-19-vaccine-numbers-bn/index.html) In the final days of the Trump presidency, the HHS Secretary announced the government would begin releasing vaccines which had been held in reserve for second shots... when that reserve simply didn't exist. The federal government straight up lied to the states. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/15/trump-vaccine-reserve-used-up/ https://denver.cbslocal.com/2021/01/15/jared-polis-federal-government-covid-vaccines-lied-to/ Excusing this stuff because some countries have worse, more corrupt, governments is absurd. We're over 400,000 lives lost. Not screwing up the vaccine rollout would have saved lives. How can you hand wave this away by saying "public health stuff is difficult?"

It's incredibly frustrating that we're left debating whether the team should give up important, impact big league pieces -- Madrigal, Heuer, Crochet, Vaughn, Kopech -- to get a young starter, when there's an even better starter on the market that the Sox could sign and still have a payroll well below other major market teams.

If sox are serious about winning they need to stop worrying over a few million dollars on shitty players. Just sign Bauer and a few back up pieces and put a bow on it.

It would never happen but I would've shopped Crochet heavily this offseason. His value will never be higher, IMO, and if you could get a Burnes type or a stud RF with control, that's an easy trade for me to make

If the Sox sign Archer, I’ll throw up. The injury he’s returning has a history of ending pitchers careers. He won’t make it through 162 game season.

At some point we do need to realistic about Vaughn. I like Vaughn and, like many, I was really excited about him last spring but is there really a place for him on this team? I guess the vision is to use him as a DH and part-time fill for Abreu and he is a RH power bat in a lineup full of them. Abreu has shown no sign of decline and, yes, six years is a long time but if you can use him as a chip to bring in a pitcher like Burnes, you have to consider it, don't you??? I guess I just look at the market even now. Much easier to get a DH/1B than a starting pitcher.

I'm good with taking a chance on him too. Leaning more towards options like this than trading away 3-5 prospects right now.

This is why if the Sox were willing to get rid of Vaughn, Blake Snell would have have been the guy to go after using Vaughn as the lead piece.

Who we trade Vaughn for is an important consideration for sure, but with who we have on the major league roster, and the kids on the way, 1B/DH is the last place I am worried about. We are loaded with bats with no place to play.

yes. I'd rather just spend the extra 10 million for Bauer

I am warming up to a Hamels signing. Obviously not first on my list.. But definitely above Richards. I can't believe he's so highly regarded here.

Laugh as much as you can,all making moves and they even add q with 8 millions,have fun this year guys

I probably would trade Crochet+ for him. It would be the ultimate sell-high move, but it would hurt. I definitely wouldn't move Kopech, but as established earlier in the thread, that has nothing to do with Burnes and is just my high opinion of him plus all the great things I've heard about him this offseason

Sure, but these are the White Sox, so we always have to be pragmatic/realistic, right? And we can cite examples like Abreu, Luis Robert, Hendriks, David Robertson, Yasmani Grandal, Adam Dunn...of the team's willingness to spend. If that fails, "coming close" to signing Torii Hunter, Tanaka, Manny Machado or Alex Gordon, lol.

I worked in the blue Jays front office in 2009. Harry Einbinder had an office to my left. Kevin Briand was across the hall. And, no joke, paul Beeston shared a wall on the right. At no point were the white Sox serious suitors for halladay and blue Jays scouts were bearish on beckham.