Leaderboard

Eh… I think this clubhouse leader thing is highly overrated. These are grown ass men and having some red ass in the locker room yelling at players isn’t going to fix things. As a matter of fact, I could see things being worse. The White Sox need better coaches and players.

"What the actual f***, Rick. Cash??"

Kinda bummed? Easy guy to root for.

Jake Burger is an awesome human being. Jake Burger is a mid baseball player with lots of flaws in his game. Both of these can be and are true. The crying over Jake Burger being traded and not Eloy is fucking baseball stupid. I hate this organization for where we are BUT they did very well in this trade and sold high. That being said I will always root for Jake Burger. However I'm not baseball stupid.

Jake Burger hit .146 in June with a .200! OBP. He’s hitting .197 over the last 28 days and he strikes out at almost 32%. He also cant play defense. He’s gonna hit 30 HRs, big deal. Sox have a chance to get a mid rotation starter out of this. It’s a no brainer.

The cult following of Jake from a cohort of the fanbase is something to behold. I get it - super likable dude. It’s just really something. This is a fantastic trade.

Eloy is a better hitter than Jake Burger, why are we even discussing this? They traded the right guy.

Damn shame they traded him. He sounds heartbroken….this was the guy you needed on your roster moving forward

You're not the only one who doesn't get it. We are giving away a power hitter with amazing HR potential and is only 27 years old with so much upside. We get as you pointed out, a not so young 25 yr old still unproven and still only in AA. We have zero proof he will make it. This is all based on hoping! Yes that same Hope which is based on the horrible track record of the Sox developing pitchers in the minors currently. Just another dumb Rick Hahn fleeced trade.

Burger deserves a lot of credit for his grit/determination returning from those injuries. I wish him all the best

I agree Might as well make this team as unlikeable as possible. Also one of the few guys that busts his ass. Oh well.

To be honest many sports teams dressing rooms are populated by people who are not 'grown ass men' mentally, they may be physically. Elite sportsmen have usually led a sheltered and coveted lifestyle from an early age when their talent became apparent. They are used to people bending over backwards to please them, by the time they reach the MLB or any elite sports level too many of them think that 'they have made it' and don't really take on criticism or have any self criticism. That is why someone from their peer group of players who either leads by example or call them out when they are not performing is often the difference between a team like the White Sox who drift along and underachieve and a team that is motivated and over achieves. Coaches and managers do play a part, but players know that usually the manager or coaches will be the first to be sacked for poor performance because that is easier than getting rid of a whole number of players. The rot set in under TLR but it seems to have got far worse under Grifol, it makes you wonder if there is any player backing up what the manager says. The big trouble is that once this indifference has set in it takes a very charismatic manager or strong player leaders to change the culture, and it would appear the White Sox have neither.

And we trade the one guy who came to play everyday.

Jake grew up a White Sox fan, lived his dream of reaching the big leagues and donning the White Sox jersey. Great kid. I wish him the absolute best.

Ironically the only person involved in this conversation that is actually baseball stupid is Eloy himself.

You talk about the Sox needing heart and passion and the right type of leaders in the clubhouse, Jake Burger was that dude. For some god awful unknown reason Hahn and co. Cant get their heads out their ass to see he’s better than Moncada…all they had to do was move him to 2nd until his contract expires and stick Burger at 3rd. This organization is ridiculously incompetent.

Questionable. He also has less control, is an inferior athlete and will he expensive soon.

C. The early moves were solid on paper. The decision to hang onto Cease while trading Burger for the return that came back is confusing.

Another awful trade they'll blow 80 million on a dud in a year or two with worse numbers than burger. Then he will hit under .200 for sox and hit less than 20 hrs

Too bad nobody wanted Eloy.

Burger is a nice story and all, but we just got a LH starter prospect that throws 96+ with a ++ slider. How could anyone possibly complain about this?

Yeah the brilliance of the genius Hahn to force out the guys like Gio and Burger with great attitudes and keep the toxic cancer of TA, Moncada and Grandal! Here is a novel idea, why don't they get rid of the GM and his front office toxic culture.

I've got some bad news for you....we are losing 100 with or without Burger.

Seriously on this one. Burger is a top notch dude - the exact kind of guy you want to root for. But he's also a microcosm of what is wrong with this roster. I like the move a lot.

Good for him getting away from this joke of an organization. Too bad nobody wants Moncada or Anderson.

Jake was an occasional bright spot this year. Good luck in MIA!

Coming in late here, but here's my take: At some point, you gotta trade some of these first basemen instead of continuing to play them out of position. I like Burger, but he's a low-OBP designated hitter on a team that doesn't need that. It's a shame it took this long for these morons to start trading depth for needs, but here we are. I hope the "player development staff" has identified something specific with Eder, because he's had a really rough year in terms of his stuff and projection. But if they do think they can fix him, it's a really solid return for a one-dimensional player, and I expect the reason they were able to get this much was because of Burger's five year of control.

I’ve been a Sox fan for 7+ decades and I can’t remember feeling this bad about a guy being traded since they dealt Minnie Minoso to the Indians back in 1957. I felt bad when they traded Nellie Fox in 1964 but I understood that Little Nell was at the end of his career but Minnie wasn’t.

Look I never wanted Vaughn I thought it was a mistake to draft him. However, I don't really get the room for growth argument for Burger. He's 27. I think Vaughn baseline hitting skills and approach at the plate give him a much better chance at longterm success at the MLB level. Unless the argument his contact and walk numbers are so bad that he doesn't have to improve much to be better. However, I very much doubt he continues his .313 iso slugging numbers either. I mean you look at Pete Alonso and he's averaged 45 homeruns per 162 games over his career. He has a career .276 iso percentage and he couples that with a much more selective professional approach at the plate. The way Burger is currently playing right now longterm just isn't sustainable.

???

https://www.baseballamerica.com/players/16765-juan-carela/ Carela 29th ranked Yankees' prospect...from the Dominican. Six years younger than Burger. Was once described as having Micker Adolfo light tower power. Hahn couldn't go for more than an hour without another DH to replace Burger Grandal and likely Sheets.

I am with you totally. As a long time die-hard passionate fan, Jerry is now pushing me to a point I never dreamed could happen with my favorite Chicago team...which is to force me to stop watching them and just wait for the POS owner to move off this earth and wait for the new owner. I'm tired of being a machoistic fan and watching the worse owner in sports, along with the worst GM continue to ruin this great franchise with ZERO accountability for ineptness and losing results.

I hope he goes on a hot streak and carries the Marlins to the playoffs. White Sox aren't even worth watching for the rest of the season.

If that rumor is true then Hahn is worse that we thought.

It’s a great trade. I also feel bad for Burger having to go to that large field. Eder is a stud

He has a .214 BA, .279 OBP and is 27. Yes he has tower power but so did Gavin and a million other players entering the MLB. It is going to be very hard to almost impossible for him to maintain his numbers if he can't get on base or hit for an average. Maybe the Rays manage to unlock that in him best of luck but I'll take the frontline pitching prospect and run

He was extremely fun to root for, but then we shouldn't be shocked. The POS owner could give a rat's ass about the fans and what they like or want to root for. Plus the owner's GM is a complete idiot completely over his head.

This trade stinks.

Probably a fair return. Interesting culturally, though. We've heard the locker room is toxic, but some of the guys they've shipped out (Gio, Burger, ReyLo) are all reputed good guys, while TA, Moncada, and Grandal are still in place. Strange.

Man. Drop Cease for an Orioles haul with some proximity to the majors and you can squint and maybe see a not horrible future? Who am I kidding though, player development is still terrible in this org.

no one wins the media-trade-rave rewards quite like the sox. too bad those never count for anything outside of rick hahn high fives.

Would also have rather moved Vaughn and slid Burger over to 1B. Burger would have been a better defensive 1B and Vaughn just looks lost. But Burger was blocking Remillard, who can now play more 2B so there is that.

And in 5 more years it's rinse & repeat...no end in sight.

Gonna be funny when Yoan has a sneeze and hurts himself and us gone for a month. Let Fucking Remillard play out the season then. Man we losing 100

and I was wrong, no excuses for Vaughn. Had his shots. Burger mashes.

Trading Burger instead of Vaughn hurts me.

All the struggling AA pitching prospects. Pitching development sucks, so they have to trade whole team to get depth.

This is great, so long superstar.

If we were willing to sell a guy we had this much control over, we damn well better be selling everyone not named Luis Robert.

He's also a far superior talent than anyone they will acquire. Trading him now would be dumb. The only people who would like it are those who would enjoy rebuilding every year. At least if they are trying to win, there is some pressure on the front office.