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Probably a big nothing, but f*** this asshole

That's not it at all. Every MLB insider has said the Sox will get a haul because of his durability, pitch ability, and contract status. Bennett K has always and will always be a moron. That dude sucks

Yes. Hard to even pretend that he doesn’t hate us anymore. This. At this point, I agree. Nobody. I would join the majority of Americans that just don’t care about baseball anymore.

I think the reality is this team is so messed up from Hahn and Kenny it's impossible to fix in one offseason.

Real Sox fans don’t want them to move. Anyone who claims they are a Sox fan but don’t care if the leave Illinois should cease following them completely and move on.

He’s doing everything possible to alienate the fan base.

There will always be a market for Cease. Again, why do people not listen to NBB, and frankly, common sense? No reason to trade him with all the top pitchers still available.

Naw man this is our ben zobrist, total swiss army knife. You won't understand until you see what Grifol can do with him.

I have no idea if Grifol is pushing a Whit signing or not, but just wanted to reiterate that I hate that brown-nosing SOB with all my heart.

Finally, the signing we've all been waiting for:

Neither do I…especially not when they are looking to add two teams. Chicago is a potential goldmine with any competent owner. Just need George Lucas and his wife to free us from this reign of terror.

They wouldn’t. You’re not a real fan if you want them to move.

Of course you find the random pessimistic take on Twitter from a dude with no access vs. the general “he is in crazy demand” of actual MLB insiders.

This would be a haul. Rhett Lowder, Chase Petty, Carlos Jorge and Sammy Stafura was the asking the price. Hello!

I was a huge Francisco Barrios fan in the late 70's. I had heart surgery as a kid and my dad knew someone who worked at Comiskey, so he asked Barrios if he would come visit me in the ICU. The guy hardly spoke a word of English, but he showed up and spent more than an hour with me ... the day following a nighttime start. I'll never forget his generosity...great dude. Just sad what happened to him later on.

This offseason they had literally two options: 1. Admit their predicament, recognize that they were a complete mess and this wasn't turning around easily, and start looking towards the future. Put together a roster, but stop doing long-term damage - pick up guys who are cheap and who have a chance to be movable for something at the deadline, clear out contracts where they can be cleared out, pinch every penny and take some gambles to see if you can find any value. 2. Declare that their 101 loss team was 1 or 2 great leaders away and was competitive right now. Add a couple of $10 million players, trade for Perez, declare that this year will be breakouts for everyone and that, gosh I dunno this was Romy Gonzalez's year to be an all star and that surely this year all 5 staters would stay healthy. This is pretty much the 2023 plan just even more blatant. There's no easy way out, but at least so far they haven't acted like they're in denial about their situation. The nightmare version of Rick Hahn that poisons my sleep is still out there declaring that he's one player away and this is the time to go all in.

I'm much happier they are signing some seat fillers and readjusting than trying to sign like...an andrew benintendi type player and saying our 100 loss team was closer to competing this year. It's a rebuild, clearly. But we have so much work to do. There is a group of talent near arrival, but we could easily look like the royals (bobby witt, and nothing else) if we don't seriously jump start our talent acquisition and development. Like not throwing away our international slot on a slap hitting 22 year old second baseman who sucked in cuba.

the knife:

Busch, Rushing and a pitcher makes too much sense

So you're asking this Board to believe that even though he's made of glass, is making three times Cease salary this year and has only half of Cease's team control remaining...they are going to get roughly equivalent returns? Cease had 3.7 fWAR last year even in a "down" year, but he's evidently Hector fucking Santiago now, huh?

This will be the ugliest Sox season of our lifetime. Horrible team, pathetic attendance and a livid fan base.

Can’t come soon enough.

Do teams refuse to look at Kimbrels repeated late season meltdowns lol

Don't worry, they will athletic their way to scoring runs.

Expanding to 32 teams makes more sense for the MLB verses having a historic 123 year old American League franchise move to a new town. Its a horrible look for baseball. Listen, the White Sox have a poor history (overall), but most of this is due to Jerry's poor ownership. I'm not sure how the MLB gets involved in ownership changes/ franchise relocations, but I would hope the MLB would intervene and promote a franchise sale verses a relocation with the same lame ass ownership group led by Jerry.

Exactly how I feel. I know that this is a business but pulling these stunts, after massively underperforming, is infuriating. JR, you are the problem sir. It's not the city. It's sure as hell not the fans. It's you.

What? You’re claiming two cheap years of Cease will bring in a similar return as two months of Giolito with no ability to QO him. Please explain why.

????? Let’s just ignore availability (i.e. ability to actually make starts), salary, & control

Surprised people are so positive on that package and were so anti Braves packages.

Ditto

Probably doesn't mean anything, but fans and just about everyone else should not give into any manipulations by JR. He should be concentrating more on making the White Sox a major league team because it isn't right now. If it hasn't dawned on him, the FO staked its reputation on this rebuild, and it failed.

This draft lottery has gotten me pissed. Time to f*** over one of these small market franchises who are caking off this corrupt system. If BAL wants Cease, then the price is going to start at Mayo, Hjerstad, & Norby. If they don’t like it, then they can wait and pay an even steeper price at the deadline. And if they don’t like that, then I’m trading Luis Robert to the Rays for whoever Bob fucking Seymour is. At this point we got nothing to lose and I need me a fat Orioles package at all costs. f*** Manfred & Jerry for putting us in this situation.

I'm actually impressed by Getz for showing some restraint. You just know they were gonna try to fleece him. We'll see.

Public, not private. I know it says private in that article but that's not correct.

JR made billions running Chicago sports teams into the ground. What a dick move to at least make it appear he is flirting with Nashville.

I'm fine with Whitt playing 2nd base for us next year. He is probably the best 2nd baseman we will have since Tad Iguchi

Whit sucks now too, so he fits right in with Pedro.

Calling Jerry a Sox fan is a stretch after how he's abused the team in recent years. Otherwise it's a club of you.

I skip over most of the Giolito talk, but someone said the Sox got a poor return for him? Wow

Personally, I’m quite ok betting that 1 of the 2 bust. Quero isn’t someone that’s so good that he makes me think getting depth at catcher isn’t important. Also, it’s not like you don’t need two catchers anyways.

He brought back a consensus Top 100 player for one third of a season. Thats a curioua definition of "worse than dogshit" but then again your partner in crime insisted in her infinite wisdom that "we would have to throw in more" than just Giolito to get a JAG like Jonathan India, so respectfully I don't think you guys should be throwing stones from glass houses. And no...."one desperate team" did not distort the market for Giolito. You don't think BAL who can't spend any money isnr desperate for a cheap high quality starter so they don't get embarrassed again with a weak rotation in a short series? You don't think LAD will be desperate for a cheap high quality starter after spending 600m on Ohtani when the odds are he will not return to form again after a 2nd TJS? ATL is one high quality pitcher away from being more or less unbeatable in a 5 or 7 game series where they can put an Ace or high end No. 2 on the mound every single night. You don't think they are desperate? Desperation isn't a market distortion. Desperation = Demand The market price is the highest amount at least one party is willing to pay. Not ALL of our guys are all garbage all the time. I realize there is plenty to be negative about on this team, but not on every single issue regardless of the facts.

I already have one foot out the door after the failed rebuild, they’re dead to me if they move. I’ll still watch tons of baseball, I just won’t have a local team anymore. It’s really hard to form new attachments after 30+ years of investment in this shitty franchise.

Strategically alienating Jason to prod his leaving, yearly cancelling sox fest, hiring Tony as manager, fielding an abhorrent team etc. etc. are all part of Jerry’s plan to deflate the fan base which deflates attendance and deflates overall fan interest which will be Jerry’s reason for moving…….”Chicago doesn’t support us so we have to leave” etc. etc.

BAL has no leverage. They can't spend their way into a viable postseason rotation and have redundant pieces so it's not like they are cleaning out their farm. BAL simply has a Dickless Wonder as a GM and that is the reason for the holdup. If he wants to cry in his crab cakes in October again tho, that's cool.

It seems very clear to me now, that this is intentional and Jerry’s way of creating some leverage for Chicago to help finance a new park. What a fucking scumbag.

And "everyone else" is free to avail themselves of the benefits of paying 150-200 million dollars instead, while grappling with little regional TV money simultaneously. I'm sure owners will love to hear that their coaches would rather put ownership in that position rather than... you know ....doing their jobs to help players improve and fix things. And I'm sure said coaches will have no trouble answering ownership when they ask "Then what the hell am I paying you for?" Chris Getz should wipe his ass with any written offer that doesn't include two Top 100 prospecta plus a useful third piece.

Growing up I loved Wilson Alvarez, coming up and pitching the wild no hitter as a kid was just magical. He never really did much of note in his career after that, but I still loved him. On the World Series team it was Torpedo Boat Uribe he was so fun to watch as a SS, strongest arm I've seen on the Sox. Recent years nobody really comes to mind too much. I kinda have a soft spot for Reylo for some reason.

I’d say this list of pitchers is not much better than any other org.

having missed out on Fedde, Steve Cohen is working on his fall back Yamimoto according to Rosenthal. Does that make you feel better @Eminor3rd