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It's getting kind of depressing in here so I wanted to highlight some bright spots in the org. Crochet is a building block. 31 Ks in 4 starts isnt a fluke. We all knew this one. If Andrew Vaughn was hitting in the way Gavin Sheets is hitting .270/.391/.541 we would be pumped. Gavin is only a year older than Vaughn so just pretend they switched bodies. Nastrini looked awesome today, He didnt have the best results in AAA, but 13ks in 7 innings is something Colson Montgomery homered in two of his last three games. Colson's pop is on the top of my watch list this year. We will see what Cannon does tomorrow but hes had a solid showing in AAA so far (2.79 ERA over 9.2 innings) Brooks Baldwin was an 80 Grade name and is a 23 year old in AA with a .985 OPS in 26 ABs and has more BBs than SOs. Hes a 2022 12th rounder who had an .800 OPS across A ball last year Wilfred Veras is a 21 year old at AA Birmingham with a .941 OPS in 34 ABs. He hasn't taken a walk yet but is 12 for 20 with 2 homers when he puts the bat on the ball. Edgar Quero (also in AA) has 4 homers already this year in 25 ABs. Hes a catcher that was acquired in the Gio/Reylo trade. Hes 21 years old and is a legit top 50-100 prospect that is MASHING. Plus he's Cuban which is fun. Ky Bush was acquired with Quero and had a very solid start to open the year in AA (5IP 1 ER 7K) Drew Thorpe who was a huge part of the Cease return has dominated in AA. He's a 23 year old 2022 draftee that has a .82 ERA in 11 innings with 15Ks to 2 walks. Him and Schultz (getting to him later) are the two most important pitching propsects and they are dealing. Jairo Iriarte (22 years old) was also acquired in the Cease trade and has also been dominant in AA. He hasn't given up an earned run in 8 innings and has struck out 11. Last years first rounder Jacob Gonzalez is about the only guy hitting in Winston Salem (A+) but he's the most important by far. Hes slashed .281/.410.438 in 39 PAs. He also has 6 BBs to 5ks. I imagine he'll work his way up to AA by the end of the year. Noah Schultz is a guy. He's had 17 ks and 2 bbs in 8IP in A ball. The 4.50 ERA is deceptive and I think he'll work his way up faster than Gonzalez. 2023 6th Round Lucas Gordon has dominated in Kannapolis so far this year. In two starts he has 16ks and 3bbs in 11IP. He was dominant last year but the walk rate was way too high. If he continues on this path he'll be a legit prospect. A college pitcher should probably be succeeding in A ball but hes a lefty that generates K's and that always plays. He's not a Fangraphs top 30 guy and his South Side Sox prospect #59 due to bullpen risk/lack of upside but hes doing everything that can be asked of him so far. Pitching wise the Sox systems future could be a lot worse than Crochet/Nastrini/Cannon/Shultz/Thorpe/Iriarte/Bush. Hitting wise Colson is coming around and Quero is a rising prospect. If Gonzalez keeps hitting he'll be grouped with those two before the end of summer. This is far from an exhaustive list of quality propsects the sox have but some guys have had rough starts or are hurt to start the year,

Cause many of us remember when the team was ranked first — built off of external trades and a few high draft picks — but they couldn't develop any supplemental pieces to support that talent and that talent never really put it all together, with players unable to stay healthy or keeping their same strengths and weaknesses that they had in the minor leagues. And now the guy in charge of developing the minor league system back then is in charge of the whole operation.

Because the White Sox have two good major league players. The majority of those prospects will not be good major leaguers. Oh and because they were supposed to be in their peak contention window from their last rebuild, this year, but instead they're one of the worst teams of all time. I don't know how anyone on earth doesn't completely understand the doom and gloom.

LOOK HOW MAD IM NOT!!!!!

3rd seems high. Probably around 10-15 right now with the potential for top 3 as soon as this August following another round of TDL deals and amateur draft.

This is an internet message board for a sports team that went from title contender to worst team in the league faster than most could process. I don’t understand how you continue to be surprised and/or bothered that the majority of the discussion is negative.

Dear diary, Today, Greg, Green Line, Caulfield, SS2k5, chitown, fathom and I agreed on the outlook of the White Sox. Shits fucked, - Quin

Depends. If it's a right click, you just go to Edit and increase all his attributes.

Even if you take this one guy's report at face value, we're still probably 30/30 in MLB talent. And as we've seen even having several top 50 type prospects and a top farm system is no guarantee of any success in Chicago at the MLB level. So while our farm is certainly improved it's just one of many necessary but not sufficient things that needs to happen before we field the next good Sox team.

I don't understand how he keeps claiming its just a baseball team who cares but is continually shaming any poster that has a problem with their favorite team being the worst team in baseball. How about take your own advice, not care, and go away?

Thinking a bit more about this question, the real point isn't embarrassment. It really goes to forcing enough embarrassment to actually force substantive change of the organization from top to bottom. If we don't achieve that level of embarrassment, this group will continue to fly under the radar with business as usual, pretendingthis was all a part of the plan. That's why I want this to burn. Let a new forest grow up in its ashes.

He shouldn’t concede anything to you. You’re wrong. Are you still living in the dead-ball era of baseball or something? A .725 career OPS for a 1B? Yes, that is indeed a schlub. That’s a mediocre to decent OPS for a middle infielder, not a 1B. Tim Anderson has a career .733 OPS. Meanwhile, Brandon Belt, albeit old at 35, has an .817 career OPS and he’s currently a free agent. Do I want Brandon Belt over Vaughn? No, because he’s 35 and does nothing for this team, much like all the other old vets that Getz acquired this past offseason and continues to acquire. However, Vaughn’s numbers are simply terrible for a 1B no matter how you try to portray them and he’s very replaceable as a player. Your expectations for players are extremely low because you are a Sox fan and this team has terrible players at almost every position. Take a look at other teams and their players and you will get the idea. Regarding your last point, yes it is absolutely SHOCKING that both Eloy and Moncada got injured. No one could have predicted them frequenting the IL for long periods of time this season. Who cares when it happened? It was inevitable. Here’s an interesting tweet for you: Also, Vaughn has put up mediocre offense for a 1B in his entire Sox tenure. Benintendi was awful last year and owns a .759 career OPS. He also plays LF, a position where teams typically put one of their worst defenders but the player is expected to make up for it with their bat. You act like these two guys are historically good hitters, when the evidence shows that they have not been. Benintendi has been the very definition of average to mediocre and Vaughn has never been a good hitter at all.

That’s a pathetic OPS for someone who is as terrible defensively and on the bases as he is. I never predicted the injuries within the first 10 games, but I absolutely said that we all know the bust brothers (Eloy and Yoan) would get injured during the year and that Robert is no sure thing. The ironic thing is you keep saying how some of these guys are so good, yet the Sox were eager to trade Eloy (and knew no one in their right mind would want Yoan for 25 million). I feel it’s the same thing that some of us said about Tim Anderson early on last season.

No spot for him to play and he is a marginal DH. We sold high on him. Let it go folks.

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Yeah, and it wasn't even the first tier guys that were the problem (well at least at first) it was the fact that NOTHING came in behind the Eloy/Moncada/Gio, etc group. If this is going to happen, it needs to be top heavy AND deep. You have to be bringing high ceiling volume so that just the law of averages helps you out. The last rebuild was all quality, and none of quantity, and then the did nothing anywhere else to support that. Once the top graduated, nothing was left. That can't happen again. The hopeful signs of the last few drafts has to continue, and then spread to their trades and international signings.

Eloy was our DH and can’t stay healthy. Moncada was our 3B and can’t stay healthy. Vaughn is our 1B and can’t hit. There were definitely places for him to play.

It doesn’t matter what I want, they are gonna do it anyways

Yes!

Must be leading MLB for the worst series of $1-3 million signings in both intl and Tier C free agency going back the last five years or so. Benintendi gets all the attention...and Hahn's veteran bullpen additions, but developing almost nothing on the position player side is another significant factor in putting the Sox behind the 8 ball.

Didn't we historically used to make fun of Bleacher Report's credibility on prospect rankings compared to most of the other rankings out there...for pretty much all the major sports? Does any other halfway reliable service have us anywhere besides #10-18?

Pls no pics.

In 1700 MLB PA, Vaughn has -.9 fWAR and a 101 wRC+. He's more than a click away, he's a whole continent away.

Another Latin player bites the dust.

Not sure why this gets laughed at…it’s accurate

And despite all that they were still a pennant contender for two seasons (a rare occurrence for this organization). Unfortunately, the peak was much shorter than expected but they had a legitimately strong roster for two seasons.

This would be a great development is if comes to pass.

Jake has a 0 fWAR and -0.1 bWAR. The most likely outcome of this trade is that neither Burger nor Eder are players of any real consequence. Burger is a DFA candidate in a few years and Eder will be lucky to be a lefty MLB reliever.

Beni and Vaughn have combined for -1.1 fWAR. This is our 3rd overall pick and biggest contract in franchise history. LOL sell the team.

Can you imagine San Diego having to go back to their fans to say they had a seat at the table... with the Chicago White Sox???

If they get shut out again in the next week, I say we turn this into an Uncle Baby Billy message board

You forgot Leasure

Thank you for some perspective. It's "fun" to watch the new levels of futility we're sinking to every day and setting new records of *bad*, but that only goes so far. We need something to look forward to, even if we have to squint to see the positives coming a in a few years.

I wish I were wrong. If I was wrong, the sox wouldn’t be 2-14. you lose, I lose, everyone loses. Except one guy. I’ll let you ponder on who.

Eloy, Robert, and Moncada have all proved over the course of their careers that they are incapable of staying healthy. I wrote all 3 of them off a long time ago. A strategy that relied on the 3 of them producing was idiotic. I knew they would all be injured within a month or two. 10 days was only slightly ahead of schedule but irrelevant overall. Vaughn has never proven himself to be a legit ML player and Benintendi was awful last year. No sane person expected anything from them. what else?

agreed. it’s a terrible situation. apathetic to antagonistic fanbase, awful product and replacing a guy who was respected and let go for bad reasons. I’ll cut him some slack. he’s just a young guy trying to make the most of his big break.

First rule of Team Meetings. We don't talk about Team Meetings.

Have you ever seen the gif of the European soccer coach slapping all of his players in the face after a bad game, Pham is here to do that

Which is horrid, but what makes it worse is it was supposed to be a championship window. He's a joke of a manager.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2024&month=0&season1=2024&ind=0&pos=1b&pagenum=2&pageitems=30 Leave it to Vaughn to be one of the two worst qualfied in MLB at 1B this season at -0.5... Jose Abreu is -0.6. Of course, Salvador Perez is leading all of baseball, haha.

Pitching and defense wins game

JR happy as hell, he now has tied record with his beloved Brooklyn roots!

I feel bad for him, he has to try so hard to generate excitement since the team is so boring

Nastrini now 3rd on the team in WAR. I made that up but probably true.

I can't think of many things worth less in this world than Mike North's opinion.`