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What are we whining about here? He has given up 2 runs through six innings and has had one bad start.

Sounds like a delicious sandwich

The hitters the White Sox drafted and developed on the roster today are Danny Mendick, Gavin Sheets, and Andrew Vaughn. If that is doing well, it explains a lot.

Eder getting the call is an interesting response to the Burger game winning home run. DeJong at 3B is also interesting. Wonder who they're showcasing him for.

Out of the three Griffin Cags Wether Not really a fan of drafting a full 1B at slot, but the Wether injuries scare me more. Honestly if it were up to me, I would be all over Hagen Smith.

Well in case anyone ever wondered how coachable this guy was, here you go.

If Fedde's 15 and Kopech is 19, it's hard to see how it's Fedde that's too high. Tigers would be crazy to trade Skubal. They're going to win 75-80 games this season and could easily contend next season.

Why was Mendick even with the bag there. If hes deeper its an easy out. No reason to be in on Jeffers. Idiots Soroka sucks

Thorpe is a snake charmer. Hitters have no idea what's coming or how it's going to move. It's a joy to watch him pitch.

Finish the deal with a player like one of their young Latin signing SS's (such as Lirazano or Alymeda) and we are in business.

K O P E C H

Some cliff notes from this as I watch/listen. - Keith reiterates how bad of a draft class this is. Especially compared to last year's. Carlos says it's the worst he's covered. - Law really likes Condon. Comps him to Kris Bryant. - Carlos says BA would have Cags ranked lower then the industry due to the chase rate. Notes he would be a 3rd round talent as a pitcher. Says the defensive profile is polarizing. - Law says Cags power is unmatched in this class and that he should abandon pitching entirely. Says he would try him in RF with the 80 arm, and if it doesn't work move him back to 1B. Also notes the approach really needs to change on the chase rate. - Law has Burns/Smith neck and neck with Smith lower due to the previous TJ surgery. - Law is the high guy on Braden Montgomery. Carlos is worried about the contact skills. Thinks teams might abandon the switch hitting. - They all agree that after the top 10, the first round is going to be chaos due to the fall off in talent. - Someone asks why Kurtz has been falling. Carlos gets into how risky the 1B profile is. Mentions Jacob Berry, Andrew Vaughn etc. - Keith Law loves Ben Hess. Thinks he should be a 1st rounder. Surprised he's not ranked higher by others. - They all think Brecht will go in the first round. The stuff is ridiculous but the walk rate is still super scary. Probably a late 1st round guy. They mention the Dodgers picking him and having him fixed up in a hurry. (of course) - Asked about first player to the majors from the class. Mentions Kurtz, Yesavage, Chase Burns, Hagen Smith, Tibbs. - On comps: Bryce Rainer = Corey Seager. Konnor Griffin = Jo Adell. Bryce Rainer = Brice Turang. They all reiterate that they hate comps though.

Vaughn has been a complete bust. Still a negative fWAR player for his career.

Let's just call it for what it is. The argument from a "certain side" of the fan base just lacks any form of critical thinking. It's an incredibly simplistic viewpoint of "These are good players, why trade them, build around them!" but of course that viewpoint leaves out important context like 1. Who the owner is 2. How far away this team is from competing 3. Contract values and length of term and a host of other factors. Some people just don't want to educate themselves on another viewpoint. Not even to change their mind, but to simply understand the other perspective. Greg said "What's wrong with Robert staying on for 2-3 years and making some memories on the South Side?" When users try and explain that no one wants to stay on a perpetual track of losing, but instead build something sustainable, users like greg simply can't grasp how trading Robert can accomplish that. They can't see the forrest through the trees. The biggest disconnect seems to be users like greg seem to think fans want to get rid of someone like Crochet. Because fans are obsessed with a new shinny prospect. When in reality, 99% of White Sox fans want to see Crochet on the White Sox for a long time. But as noted above, fans are smart enough to know the current owner of the White Sox won't pay for a contract extension for Crochet, and given where this organization is in the rebuild process, the next two seasons won't see the Sox contending for a playoff spot. So knowing he won' be re-signed, and the Sox won't field a team around Crochet that can compete while he's under contract...the choice to move him while his value is high seems like an obvious one, but I guess not for some. Lastly, there is something to be said about fans in their 60's, 70's and 80's. Anecdotal, but in my experience both on this forum and in real life, in talking to those Boomers (not a put down) they just want a slightly competitive team. I don't know if it's a "closer to death" thing, but most can't seem to wrap their head around a "tanking process" that will take multiple years, it just doesn't make sense to them and will never accept it, even if it's a harsh reality for most teams in most sports, and has been shown to work.

Good luck, man. He must really hate spring training.

Go through my post history. I have said most of the guys on the team suck. I haven't even made any statements about Eder except about a month ago I said he was lining up to debut in the majors within the next year and some of the usual suspects acted like I was making outlandish assumptions. The guy is the 27th man today and will probably go to AAA next... A normal response from WS2023 and TRU would be, "Yeah, he's probably up sooner rather than later." Not trying to argue they are still correct. You can think the team is bad and still live in reality.

Man alive, if this is what you are hanging your hat on...yikes. These are all below average Major Leaguers.

Your first post said more than a year away and now it’s two years away? Which is it? Actually, nevermind, I don’t care. In case you haven’t noticed by this entire season of transactions, you don’t actually have to earn a call up to receive one from Getz, lol.

Ah man, remember when Luis Robert was washed and had little value.. good times.

Fantastic bounceback after that first inning for Fedde. Gamer.

It is 100% accurate to claim that the White Sox have not drafted and development major league talent as of today, because it literally has not happened. You might think it could be happening, but it 100% has NOT HAPPENED. Period, end of story.

In what realm is topping out at a .700 OPS out of 1st and 2nd round picks a win. Holy s%*# the delusion...

Pallette with second straight appearance from the pen. Don't know if permanent or working on stuff?

I am not going to say "things have changed" until things have actually changed more than someone's title. I remember saying at one point a long time ago, that a guy like Tim Anderson being drafted and developed was a sign the Sox were making gains in those areas, because I so wanted to manifest it into happening. I was 100% wrong, as it was a fluke, and not a trend. It is disingenuous to claim credit for something that hasn't actually happened yet.

the fact that Cleveland gets over 18 million to spend on this draft is 100% straight up bullshit

I think we would all love to build around Robert and Crochet. Just like we all would have loved to build around Sale and Quintana. It is the build part that is the issue. The Chairman refuses to actually build. Which is to say he refuses to build in a manner that equates to winning in the era we are in. He refuses to pay for top tier talent in free agency despite the large market, he refuses to invest in building a minor league system that produces MLB regulars, and he refuses to invest/build a talent pipeline in Latin America. Things that all good teams do in one facet or another. The build around X player arguments are hollow and toothless when they refuse to acknowledge very entity that prohibits this org from actually building a winner.

Eder gonna eat some innings today for sure.

His future paychecks for the next year and a half.

If you want to have this argument, have it. I would definitely argue that Andrew Vaughn has gotten no where near his talent level. I would also argue that Sheets isn't really done much either. This misses the broader point that the Sox actually have a horrible history of drafting and developing their own talent. If they had this ability, they wouldn't be looking at one of the worst seasons in baseball history and looking to sell of their talent to acquire it from somewhere else. The whole reason this last round failed was because they couldn't develop hitters.

Welcome to the other side! We'll send your membership card in the mail.

We're not. JR does spend, Hahn just spent unwisely in the recent past. Fangraphs has the White Sox with a top ten farm system, and we're only going to add to it this draft, TDL and off-season. There's a group here who gets their jollies ganging up on anybody positive, and shouts nonsense at them. The White Sox are drafting well, we are developing hitters and pitchers, and JR will spend when we have a reason to. No, we won't be grabbing the top player on the market for 10/$400m, but we'll see if Chris Getz is any better at FA evaluation when the time comes.

I agree and he spent in free agency last time. JR’s problem is that he is overly loyal to non-performers.

Believe me, I really get how much we need position players right now. But the ones at the top look to all have decent flaws, some of which we can't deal with at all as an organization. What are we actually good at? Developing pitching. Seems like maybe the prudent move to me, but it is what it is.

If you ignore every single aspect about their profiles except "up the middle infielder" and "Harold does not like them," sure.

OK, then we're officially the Pittsburgh Pirates and there is no point to following this team until Reinsdsorf sells or dies.

1. Never made a claim that because I have more posts, I'm more baseball savvy. 2. Valuable perceptive? Or valuable perspective? Not really helping the old man argument with that one... 3. In regards to your question on "my timeline" and the "results that I seek" I've said for years now that none of it matters until Jerry is gone. A true, sustainable winner will not be built under Jerry as he won't invest to proper resources into the places investments need to be made, so we can get that out of the way right off the bat. I agree with you that a random playoff team is about the best we can hope for at this current point, similar to what we saw in 2020 and 2021. Currently, the Sox in 2024 are a ways off from that. Spending A LOT of money is the only way the Sox are competitive by 2026, and we can all agree that won't happen, so we're looking at 3-4 years of development and proper asset management before we should expect to see a respectable ball club. (The Sox did their last fire sale in 2016, took them 2017-2018-2019 to build things back up before being competitive in 2020 and 2021) So using that timeline as our baseline...Crochet will no longer be under club control at that point, and Luis Robert would be on the last year of his deal during the 2027 season. If the Sox used both of those players to acquire 4-5 players that would be making their ML debuts in 2026-2027, you have six years of cost control with those players, and ideally can make a run during that window, adding some free agent pieces around the diamond to supplement that core group, like the Sox have done before (Grandal-Hendricks-Keuchel)

Whatever it is, it's higher than just letting him sit on the IL until after the deadline.

I mean just don't be that guy. I get yelled at all day long, and I am not going to cry about being a victim of getting what I give... unlike some.

Please framework a deal that the White Sox could have put out there that would equal or better either the Marlins or Padres deal for Arraez. Again, you are just advocating “getting good players” and named a good player you know with absolutely zero context on the ability to acquire him. Like it’s just a yes/no exercise

It's kind of odd that most of the posters here spend all day shitting on everything White Sox related, from players to coaches to people in the front office to people in administrative roles to vendors. I'm critical of one player and I'm the pariah.

NOT pushing him and having him come back after the trade deadline is the definition of not achieving anything. If you push him and he comes back successfully, you have SOMETHING you might be able to cash in. Likely case, you pay the most of the rest of his salary for peanuts of a return. Worst case, you're stuck with him for the rest of the year, and you pay a $5M buyout. Best case, you get something for him in a trade... like a lottery ticket prospect. If you don't push him to come back and play before the trade deadline, you're stuck with him for the rest of the year, and you pay a $5M buyout. I really don't see the downside here.

Again, explain the timing. This is such a simple view and has zero context. Keep all good players trade all bad players!

Sox will have no trouble finding trade partners for Fedde and Crochet even if the Yankees and Orioles aren’t in play again

It’s because everyone thinks about the timing in baseball but you. Everyone is constantly talking about turning over this shitty roster because they have a legit chance at being the worst team in the history of the game, and you are crying constantly on this site about keeping players that literally will not be around when this team gets good again(if ever). as if keeping Fedde Crochet or Robert RIGHT NOW will make anything in the next two years better. we can both agree that this team is terrible, it just sucks seeing you completely unable to grasp the obvious about getting out of this situation and act like keeping Fedde is some lynchpin to greatness. I’m not asking you to quit talking about baseball, I’m asking you to start thinking about baseball.

Come on. He’s nothing like Nick Madrigal

Who cares about rushing Moncada back? Literally doesn't matter if he played tomorrow or came back the last week of the season. He's going to get hurt anyways. In fact I'd rather he just skip the rehab assignment. Play here for the next month and try and catch lightning in a bottle by shipping him and 10 million off for a B level prospect.

This is a good way of glazing over the domestic abuse, the homophobia, the moon landing denial, holding a gun against his wife's head and witness tampering. But sure, right way or whatever.

Then why is he confined to 1B?

Depends, is it Tony or is it Hannah?

Lemme stop ya right there.