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The answer to who is going on the IL tonight? Yes

https://x.com/haffball7/status/1909609219793314222 Guessing Ryan Fuller has something to do with this. Good stat with some promise, not leading to a good outcome yet though. This is a talent maximization strategy, but you still need talent to maximize.

So gingerly Schriffen called him Vaughn.

The White Sox cannot keep calling this a rebuild and expect patience. The organization is in free fall. Instead of the Sox becoming an elite AL team after winning the World Series, it has completely gone backwards. Real change needs to happen, but it doesn't happen. There is no reason to think the franchise has any real future. It is a shame things have sunk this low.

Can’t imagine doing victory laps about someone being bad when the current roster is hitting below .200 as a team.

We’ve seen 3 prospects so far that he’s acquired in the majors, and it’s been unimaginably bad. He’s traded 3 of the most covered pitchers at the time they were dealt, and he only has 1 consensus top 100 prospect to show for it. Crochet/Cease/Fedde should have brought you back way more than what he got.

Tell you what, instead of making silly, failed metaphors, why not just talk about the matter at hand?

See, this is when you start taking your cuckoo pills. Literally no one but you would think I was implying anything of the sort. I used the phrase "I'm actually asking" because I was curious, based on your previous posts, when you felt like Getz could be properly judged on the team that is on the field. It was an actual question. Additionally, we have gone back and forth enough for you to have a baseline understanding that me thinking Getz "inherited a very strong roster with an unlimited budget, but he made everybody get hurt or play bad" couldn't be farther from the truth, but that didn't stop you from somehow think that's what I was implying. Then, later in this response, you say "I'll happily talk about Get'z bad moves" and then proceed to not only bring up a bunch of moves made by others, but also list reasons why Getz shouldn't be fully blamed for things (injuries, a system with no pitching) and you still wonder why people question where you stand, then get on a soap box and say "I'VE MADE MYSELF INCREDIBLY CLEAR!" I've been asking for clarification from you in this thread because of the reply quoted above. Your "position" is clear as mud, and you're the only person seemingly that doesn't see that.

And I’d still rather play him that Taylor, Slater, and Jankowski haha

Everyone repeat after me: The Sox are NOT MOVING TO ARLINGTON HEIGHTS. Outside of the first couple of seasons and after a WS title (if that ever happens again), they would never get close to averaging 30k a game over an 81 game home schedule (which is what it would take to reach 2.5M annual attendance) at a suburban location that is only convenient to those who live in or near the NW suburbs. I grew up in the NW suburbs and love the area, but it would be a total disaster for the franchise. Even if there's a decent # of Sox fans in the NW suburbs. No way it's even close to half the baseball fans out there. And people who live in the city or SW/South suburbs? You can forget about drawing them to more than a couple of games a year. That's writing off a huge chunk of their fan base. The next long term home for the Sox is either going to be at 35th and Shields or at the 78. Not AH, not Tinley Park, and not Nashville.

Taking victory laps over missing the point, or ignoring the point, or simply refusing to acknowledge the validity of said point. Canario is just a guy. Talented, but flawed. But he’s exactly the type of guy Getz should be acquiring and giving a long look vs playing the Jankowskis of the world everyday. It’s not even really about Canario, but more about Getz’s imbecilic backwards process, and his refusal to do everything possible to improve the long term future of the team.

When it comes to great ways to prove this management team is different than the last one, reducing the amount of soft tissue injuries and not playing guys who are obviously hurt would be two great places to start.

If the team is collectively hitting below the Mendoza line, then no, I can't say it is. But also, this data is already out of date because of small sample sizes. The Angels are petty much neck and neck with the Sox and they're getting a boost from Moncada slashing his O-Swing% in half (again, small sample size) and carrying a .385 OBP. So if the Angels can take the same strategy and fix Moncada, the Sox should feasibly be able to get production out of their guys who are underperforming relative to their talent level.

Team won't be free until the stench is gone. Robert and Vaughn need to go. Robert is just frustrating. Vaughn..... Well not much to say about him, he's terrible. If they want these young pitchers to succeed they need to get some offense, you can't frustrate young pitchers like that. It's like the pitchers have to be perfect. No room for error. You can't pitch like that. They got rid of Yoan, Eloy, Tim and the rest now Robert needs to be shipped. Let go to another team and maybe figure it out. Dude has a low baseball IQ

So the injuries are basically at any position? 😂

Using a pinch runner that you have available on your bench avoids everything, including wasting time making a hundred word post to defend the stupid Sox.

Yup. I'm in hell. f*** me, f*** you and f*** you all. Cya tomorrow

Nevermind

Andrew Vaughn is the most boring player in the history of sports.

People would be a lot more freaking forgiving of the team on the field Getz has put out there if the young players he has acquired didn’t perform so badly at their various levels. Hard to get excited about the future when the prospect depth should be a lot deeper given all the assets he’s traded since he took over.

Eh former 1st round pick and top catching prospect for an expensive Kendall Graveman. I'd do that trade again.

Oppor looks good. Strikes out the side in the 1st.

This fucking ump sucks horse cock

Like I said, this is a talent maximization strategy, but you still need talent to maximize.

It is very promising as an overall development. The issue right now is who is actually taking the swings. A good swing decision by Amaya is still a bad swing. I do feel like the bases are more crowded this year than last year, they just aren't doing anything with it. Robert being half as good as he is supposed to be would help.

Hahn inherited an 85 win team and, in only 1 season, led that team to his comfort zone of 63 wins. He had a productive offseason with KW bagging Abreu and Hahn making a savvy deal ( one of the 4 he made in his long career) for Eaton. The team improved 10 games to 73 wins in 2014 with some young players showing promise. But then Hahn put on the clown hat and clowns shoes, pulled out his magic 8-ball and made series of moves over the next 18 months that set this organization back 5 years (or is it 10+ and counting?). And then in mid-season 2016, barely a month after the last of his outrageous moves, he announces that it's time to rebuild. What a Putz. And for all of his decade+ tenure, he had a competitive budget. I can't say that Getz is a good GM at this time. But he isn't Hahn.

I wonder how bad it would have to be for some to admit Getz has been a bust so far.

Holy s%*#. Grab a sock and wipe your chin.

https://www.southsidesox.com/2025/4/9/24404284/chris-getz-and-the-chicago-white-sox-the-aggressive-arrogance-of-the-mediocre

actually tonight its on + https://endpnt.com/chsn+/

Teams don't typically lose 121 games in the first year of a rebuild. Look it up.

lol vargas with the t ball single.

Kudos to Brett for representing the fans and calling out Getz's arrogance. I have been saying this since the time he did the podcast with Kaplan and Mcguffy. He was pompous and arrogant about his supposed plan after having the worst record in baseball.

You know, why not? Its vibes szn

It’s old Greg, you know

In all seriousness, I'm curious to the response, because to me, the vision seems to be "Rip it all down, advance in technology and infrastructure, build through the draft." That's all good. Only issue is when it comes to the statement of "He seems to be selling industry people on his vision..." That "vision" is nothing unique, it's what every good organization has been doing for the last 10 years. Taking a completely glass-half full vision of the tenure of Chris Getz as GM...he's made strides to get the organization out of it's 2004 baseball mindset. Fine, but that isn't getting him hired by other organizations. Put another way, your kids don't get extra credit for not doing drugs. It's what they're supposed to be doing, it's the baseline.

Obviously you are trying to take a shot at me, so let’s discuss this further. Do you ever get tired of misrepresenting and outright lying about what other people say? I said numerous times that Canario could easily bust, but that I would still like to see what he could do on this terrible team (which is now 2-8), just because it is more worth it for a terrible team to play youth over old worthless vets. See my posts below for evidence. Funny that a poster who said last year that he would be fine with Corey Julks being a platoon corner outfield starter for this 2025 Sox team is now running his mouth about other potentially bad acquisitions. Also, if Canario is a bust after 13 at bats or so with the Pirates, what does that make your favorite GM’s amazing acquisition Miguel Vargas after he has had many more at bats with the Sox?

Why not? He seems to be selling a lot of industry people on his vision.

You heard it here first, 13 ABs is enough to take a victory lap.

How about that stock market today big shooter!

They’re both awful. You can all stop arguing now.

I'll be honest, I don't follow. You seem to be saying he should be judged on it now, but then it's just excuses for Getz on why he is in the situation he is in. You say you acknowledge that he made some bad moves in 2024, but in the same breath you add in "But he inherited a bad roster, budget cuts!" Jerry didn't completely change his stripes when Getz got here. Rick and Kenny still had to deal with money not being allocated to where they ideally wanted it to go. But just like Getz, Jerry wasn't holding a gun to any White Sox Executive to stay in their job. Getz knew what he was signing up for. All I'm asking for is at what point in time do we simply not bring up Rick and Kenny anymore, and this is simply a Getz led team, this is his record and he is responsible for it. Again, I'm actually asking.

Because the current pile of washed out veteran has beens and never will bes, are doing TONS better!

I think it's hard to say from here what should be done with Colson. This isn't a case of a guy going to a new level and playing horrifically. He had a disappointing year last year, but it was nothing like this. So you know it's not a case of him hitting a wall that he doesn't have the talent to break through (in the sense of: we know he has the talent to strike out less than half of his plate appearances in AAA). If you buy that, then the question is why the huge regression? Health? Yips? Some other kind of mental issue? Change in swing/mechanics/etc.? Hard to see from my perch here on the internet which of those things is going on. Things like a demotion could make some of those problems worse while potentially fixing some others. As for Teel, I'm not pushing the panic button. But this is why you put him in AAA rather than break with the team. You're going to get scouted and people are going to try to exploit your weaknesses. See if he can work through it. His brief time in AAA last year was just so-so anyway. Quero is a similar case and similar reasoning for keeping him in AAA to start the season, but you can see how his game was always bound to be a bit less boom or bust. But he may well see his numbers decline soon too (if he keeps up the 1.000 OPS for very long, I guess we'll find out just how patient the Sox plan to be).

Agreed completely. It’s why I said he would have been better off overseeing the changes while letting someone else be GM. So far, his talent evaluation seems horrific.

The White Sox will always win this trade regardless of what happens simply because they would never have signed him to an extension and he would have walked for nothing after 2026. Having an ace for two 100 loss seasons really means nothing. The options were trade him or take a comp pick. They chose the right option.

I feel this. It’s all exhausting. And really, there’s nothing else left to be said that hasn’t already been said 100 times.

He didn't hire himself, so I just evaluate what he's done as GM. I can understand the ire. I just choose not to participate in it, if for no other reason than I spent 10 years howling about Hahn (who effed things up a lot more than Getz has) and I'm tired of howling;

As I told Harold the other day if you're looking to come onto a team's forum that is currently mired in a historical, 120+ year stretch of futility and you're expecting people to not be venting -- you're in the wrong place. Let people vent. It's much healthier than not.