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I recently watched the Jeff Torborg documentary, A Wonderful Baseball Life ,made by the same people that brought you The Last Comiskey 3 part series on Youtube. It's so good along with Part 3 of the Last Comiskey which focused on the incredible season the 1990 Sox had in the last season of Old Comiskey park with Torborg as manager. Your meme about having a chance reminded me that the 1989 young Sox team was 69-92 and then under Torborg in 1990 won 94 games before eventually falling short of the roided up Oakland A's. So many fun memories and stories . The giant jock strap hanging from the LF upper deck was hilarious ! If you ever get cynical about culture, hearing about Torborg and the 1990 Sox might remind you that a good clubhouse along with belief and talent can go a long way. Just visit the Last Comiskey channel on youtube for some great Sox content celebrating some good times. "It reminds you of what once was good, and can be again". - James Earl Jones from Field of Dreams.

680k to be exact. Sorry, accountant here 😝

4 times??? How the hell has no one in the media asked him to clarify at this point

It could be something Mune flagged for himself to get a head start on based on the experience of Shohei and others. Kelenic is working on a similar shift towards a toe tap, and Beni made one previously.

Something I’ve thought about, 2 very important things have happened in the last 40+ years that has affected the plight of the White Sox. 1. Wrigley Field has become a National Landmark and the Cubs are the darlings of Chicago baseball. 2. Because of JR the White Sox are now a laughing stock and the fan base has shrunk. There’s been other issues, but these 2 to my thinking have put us where we are today. Before these 2 things happened, attendance for the 2 Chicago franchises down through the years were just about even with spurts for the Cubs in the 1930s and the White Sox in th1950s up until 1966. On any other given year before the 1990s the team that had a better year for the most part outdrew the other team, so Comiskey's location didn’t hurt the Sox that much. There is not a damn thing that the White Sox can do about Wrigley Field. What the Sox must do with new ownership is to build a consistent winning team that would build up the franchise to acceptable levels were they would draw around 2 million a year and when they are competitive draw close to 3 million, they can’t continue to be competitive once every 10+ years or so and can’t make it out of the first round of the playoffs, they won’t build the fan base that way. The Sox are like the Mets and the Angels, they will be the second team in their respective cities and there probably isn’t anyone alive that will see that change. The difference is the Mets and Angels still have decent fan bases as they have larger populations to draw from than the Chicago area has. New York has 15 million, LA has 12 million while Chicago is about 9.5 million. Bottom line on all this is that a new Sox ballpark without a decent fan base isn’t going to matter whether it’s built at the 78 or 35th and Shields, at this point I’m OK with either location.

And it's every thread. I partially blame the Sox for creating this atmosphere by deliberately sucking for so long.

JFC pal…now you are just making up talking points I never said. My quote was “Hahn couldn’t develop a prospect to save his life” and was a general statement implying we sucked at hitting development during his tenure. I’m not sure what there is to debate there…you have said as much during multiple rants against the org over the years and is a widely accepted truth. And that doesn’t literally mean zero prospects became useful major league hitters, but using the trio of Moncada/Eloy/Luis who were truly elite prospects when acquired and did not require much development isn’t the feather in the cap you think it is (especially when they all eventually crashed & burned out). Now, Tim Anderson is probably the best single example of a player development win under Hahn, but as I showed in my post above that actually took much longer you tried to let on. I also have no idea where this “the current group is better or more promising than previous group” claim came from. I never once said that and please show me the receipts of me saying anything like that. Now, I did factually prove that these four rookies in this group put up a higher aggregate wRC+ than your four guys in their first seasons with the Sox despite lesser pedigrees . That doesn’t mean I think they will end up better players or they are even more promising than your group. It just means they came up and were more productive right out the gate, even more so when you account for talent levels. And again, when you add in Vargas & Sosa who made big strides last year, there is a higher volume of young guys who can actually hit. The previous rebuild literally failed because no one beyond the four you mentioned could supplement the core despite big draft capital invested into Collins, Burger, Sheet, Vaughn, & Madrigal. It’s just wild to me how people get this triggered over the slightest compliment to Getz. I am no homer and have said time & time again that the jury is still out on Getz and he may end up being a bad GM. At the same time, it’s already apparent that he is a massive upgrade over Hahn because of investments he’s made to the infrastructure and bringing a bunch of outside voices. That’s a low bar to climb, but not necessarily an easy one when you inherited a completely incompetent org from top to bottom from your predecessor.

It's my most common complaint (talking too fast)! Thanks for watching.

Always wishing the best for Liam, though I'll simultaneously be wishing the worst for the Twins.

Getz is such a fucking idiot

“I’m doing something here!!!”

Yes, which is why he cost $600k over the league minimum. This is a cheap roll of the dice that buys your young arms some time if needed.

That 1990 team is probably my favorite of all time. Even ahead of 1992, 1993, 1994, and 2005. I went to a ton of games because I was under-employed that summer. At one point, the Sox won 18 straight games where I was in attendance. Great memories. Thanks for the reminder.

Oh sweet baby Jesus play pitch good enough for 2-3 months to be able to trade for something.

Best shape of his life?

What stinks is there could be good information in those posts, but I just scroll through them without reading

It’s you, and we all know it

Candidly speaking, I can’t keep up with all your spin. What five players were league average hitters and when into their career? How do these data points conflict with what I literally just laid out in a simple to understand fashion? And development doesn’t end in the minors, which is sort of a massive point I’m making by listing off a bunch of rookies who produced in year 1 (and who got better as the season progressed). This current group of bats is far less talented than the previous one, but performed relatively the same (or technically better) in year 1. That latter point is a factual, math-based conclusion that can’t really be debated. And for the millionth time, I never commented on where this rebuild stands vs. the previous one. The previous had far more talent. Again, if you weren’t being a total snowflake about all things Chris Getz, you’d acknowledge the reason it failed is the elite guys never consistently reached their ceilings (before breaking down) and the next tier of hitters failed to develop at all with us. This revisionist theory that our player development function wasn’t absolute garbage under Hahn is some of the most insane s%*# I have seen in my years on this site.

Good lord man. Again, my posts have been entirely on hitting development and here you go rambling off about WAR and pitching. It’s amazing how clearly I could lay out a point about how wrong you were about the speed at which the big four hitters from the previous group developed and you just completely ignore it and keep trying to move the goalposts. This is just comical at this point.

And the league rewards the Tigers with competitive balance picks.

Feels like he won’t be going on the 60 DL which is fantastic news. Will be interesting to see where Thorpe is at.

I watched it this morning. Always nice to hear from the new guys.

For anyone who doesn’t know, the Japanese media reports on BP sessions and especially preseason bullpen sessions with painstaking detail. It’s a strange non-sequitur, almost like the MLB tradition of reporting that every player is in the best shape of their lives as if it bears an outsized influence on how the season will go. Reduced leg kick is an interesting observation.

Fluff parts of Sandlin interview with Courtney Finnicum. Tried Giordano's deep dish, will report on bidets.

Nice

Nothing but pissing contests. And they’re all pissing up wind

I hope Jerry shows this boy how shrewd negotiating is done. "You can either take $8mil or head back to college for a year. Your choice, son."

Andrew Vaughn lol. Murakami looks a little lighter than he was in Japan 2-3 years ago or so.

Dude’s only had only like 2 truly bad seasons in his career

I don't know if this was mentioned yesterday but Y2Jimmy0 mentioned it in reference to Chris Getz during his media session but they seemed to leave the door open for Mike Tauchman reunion. I wouldn't mind it on a 1 year deal.

The teams that should spend and dont are the problem, not the other way around. Nothing wrong with the Tigers qualifying for that and spending big.

You just listed three consensus top 5 to 10 prospects that were all legit 60+ FV type guys (plus a 55 FV guy in Anderson). Beyond moving the goalposts by citing WAR when we are talking exclusively about hitting development, you are also taking a multiyear view to help your narrative in certain cases. That being said, let’s break this down objectively on a like for like basis so we can all see what reality is. Rebuild #1: Jimenez: Yr 1 = 115 wRC+ (504 PA) | Yr 2 = 138 wRC+ (226 PA) Moncada: Yr 1 = 105 wRC+ (231 PA) | 97 wRC+ (650 PA) Robert: Yr 1 = 99 wRC+ (227 PA) | Yr = 155 wRC+ (296 PA) Anderson: Yr 1 = 98 wRC+ (431 PA) | Yr 2 = 79 (606 PA) Weighted Avg: Yr 1 = 105 wRC+ | Yr 2 = 106 wRC+ Rebuild #2: Montgomery: Yr 1 = 129 wRC+ (284 PA) Teel: Yr 1 = 125 wRC+ (297 PA) Quero: Yr 1 = 95 wRC+ (403 PA) Baldwin: Yr 1 = 92 wRC+ (328 PA) Vargas: Yr 2 = 101 wRC+ (569 PA) Sosa: Yr 2 = 100 wRC+ (544 PA) Weighted Avg: Yr 1 = 108 wRC+ | Yr 2 = 101 wRC+ So right off the back, Montgomery & Teel were more productive in their rookie seasons than any of the four guys mentioned from the previous rebuild. The only one of the big four you named who was well above average was a highly advanced all bat prospect and even he wasn’t as good as Colson or Teel. Meanwhile, Robert & Anderson weren’t really that much better than Quero or Baldwin. Overall, the four rookies in my group provided a higher wRC+ than the four guys in your group during their first seasons despite being much less regarded prospects overall. When it came to year 2, Jimenez & Robert both performed extremely well in SSS’s that completely exceeded their career results thereafter (Jimenez 107 wRC+ and Robert 104 wRC+). Meanwhile, Moncada floundered a bit in year 2 and fell below league average while Tim experienced a significant drop off. This idea that both were awesome out of the gate is inherently false. As a comparison, Vargas & Sosa were better hitters last year than Yoan & Timmy were in their second seasons. So yeah, I stand by my comment. A group of lesser prospects (and more of them) hit just as good or better than the guys you referenced. Obviously we will need to see what happens in year for Colson, Teel, etc, but right now my statement is valid and your depiction of the truth is far from reality. As is becoming far too common, your lazy drive by posts are not holding up when scrutinized. I truly miss the old Look at Ray Ray Run who put time & energy into his posts and would normally win these type of debates. Alas that person appears to be long gone.

Obviously, Jose Quintana wants one last chance at a ring:

We need a unifying source of hate. Hire TLR as a "special advisor to the GM".

You did not enter this specific conversation with stats. These were your first two posts after the “fixing” discussion started: ”In a question asked about who they FIXED, you gave four guys that haven't yet taken a swing in anger for the Chicago White Sox.” ”Mostly that you didn't really answer the question, you asked the question you wanted to answer, and answered it instead, after catching a tone about the question daring to be asked in the first place.” When people refer to you derailing threads, those are the exact type of comments they are talking about. It’s not always just baseball discussion and stats with you. You have an issue with WestEddy, and you never hesitate to start shít with him.

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No, you do!

My god you guys argue about everything.

A Santander signing would have cost the White Sox Jaden Fauske's draft slot.

In case anyone wanted to listen to Getz meeting with the media yesterday.

And outside of a World Series title, it takes YEARS for fans to start showing up again. This last time with back to back playoff appearances, they really didn't. When things are bad, no one shows up. This location doesn't really add anything to the attendance or viewing of this franchise. Look at what Cubs attendance looks like in down years. THAT is a homefield advantage when people to go just see the stadium, no matter what the team looks like. Is this stadium easy for me to get to? Yes. Will it be easier to get to than one at the 78, also yes, but only if I drive. But the proof is in the historic numbers. People don't go to see the White Sox because of the park. They go to see them win. That's it. If there was a park factor, attendance wouldn't fall off to the bottom of MLB when they are bad.

Right now I’m more interested in what the Sox are spending on infrastructure and scouting etc. from what I understand, departments have expanded in size. How they are doing relative to the league I don’t know. But that was encouraging in the moment of reading. Building the pipeline has always been the biggest problem imo.