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*Rick hahn in the bathroom practicing his resignation speech when wife tries to get in locked door* "What are you doing?!" "Umm Drugs" - Rick Hahn

Phil Jackson called it the Last Dance at Grant Park celebrating the Bulls 6th championship. People panicked but held out hope Phil was mistaken and they would give it another go until someone showed they could beat them. It wasn't to be. Phil was right, it was over. Who knew on the October night back in 2021 when Leury Garcia hit one over the CF wall to lead the White Sox to victory, avoiding a first round sweep, that it was the White Sox last dance. Please fire these dopes today.

Bunting greatly decreases the expected number of runs for the inning, BUT bunting a runner from 2nd to 3rd with 0 outs greatly increases your chances of scoring one run in the inning, so a tie game in the bottom of 9th or extras is an exception to the rule.

I've met JR twice and I've said for years that he wants to win. But... He has ALWAYS wanted to win HIS WAY...with his ideas about salary structure, his ideas about dealing with certain agents (or not dealing with them), his ideas on the MLBPA, his ideas on paying for "potential" (involving the draft and the minor league system), his ideas about dealing with the media/fan base (which involves the always important public relations battle) and his ideas about "loyalty" just to name a few areas. History shows in over 40+ years of ownership his way of wanting to win hasn't been very successful especially since the start of the 2007 season with only five winning years.

f*** this team and this organization

Hahn isn’t the key here. We know it. Nobody wants to wish death on someone but that’s the way out because he doesn’t want to sell

If Hahn survives this off-season, then there is no hope for the franchise until Jerry dies. Not trying to be grim here, but no one can look at Rick’s track record and the epic failures of this season and not realize he is not capable of being an even average GM. The proof is in what we’re paying per win, how overmatched our new manager is, and poor our farm system is. At this point in his tenure, I can’t name one single strength of his. Even the “extensions” have come to pass. Rick Hahn is a straight up clown and his level of incompetence almost makes the crazy part of me wonder if he’s a chaos agent trying to help the Cubs win Chicago because he is literally that bad at his job. f***, at this point Chris Get sounds like an upgrade and he oversees a bottom five farm system. To say this franchise has hit rock bottom under Rick Hahn is an understatement. You know it’s bad when you miss the “mired in mediocrity” days. Unfortunately since then Rick has rebuilt this team in his own image and that is plain shitty. May the baseball gods please take mercy our poor souls and rid the franchise of the abomination that is Richard Hahn.

I'm 100% convinced that firing Hahn will change absolutely nothing. This franchise is stuck in utter purgatory until we get an owner who has a vision of putting together a competitive franchise. Jerry has ZERO initiative to change anything. He is making money, he has his rings. We saw the Bulls replace GarPax with Eversley and AK, and it changed basically nothing. It's no different with Jerry's other money child, because he will just repeat what got him here. He'll hire somebody he knows into the role, hold onto them for WAY too long, and do f*** all to address how utterly far behind this franchise is in terms of farm development and analytical reliance. He doesn't care about winning.

We only know so much, but seemingly, we can piece together a few things. - Coming off the World Series in 2005, the Sox had the 4th highest payroll in 2006, behind the Yanks, Red Sox and Angels - In 2022, the Sox came in with the 7th highest payroll, at 203,205,326..according to Spotrac. The point is, Jerry will spend in the upper echelon when the team is in a good spot and there is buzz around the team. Now, we also know what he won't do. He seemingly won't go over 5 years with a pitcher, and signing a 300+ million dollar player seems unlikely. We also don't know what he is comfortable with/willing to spend on internals like scouting and analytics, but I tend to believe he would mostly leave that to the President/GM of Baseball, assigning them an overall budget and determining where that money needs to go. Those are absolutely hurdles that any GM would need to leap, but there are plenty of "successful" GM's that have those same limitations placed on them every year, often times much worse. The Twins, Indians, Rays, Brewers, etc all have way harsher payroll restrictions, yet have been wildly more successful than the Sox over the last decade+ My point is building a successful, consistent and good baseball team is possible under the "limitations" Jerry sets. Certainly harder than someone like the Dodgers, Mets, Red Sox, Yankees...but I believe it absolutely could be done. Rick is very bad at his job, and Jerry continues to let blind loyalty destroy his legacy. Where we sit today, I no doubt hold Jerry/Kenny/Rick all responsible, where the blame goes doesn't really matter at this point because we suffer no matter what. I'm just saying I believe from a pure baseball standpoint, Rick has hurt this team more than anyone else.

It's simple. Reinsdorf's job as an owner is to hire the right people, give them the resources to succeed, and give them the authority to make decisions on how to succeed. He doesn't hire the right people, handcuffs them on resources (both big league and minor league resources), and undermines their authority by doing stupid s%*# like hiring TLR behind Hahn's back.

Hahn actually cherry picked the stat that the Sox were 2 games over .500 from a certain date, best in the division. The master of saying nothing is running out of things to say nothing about. Please fire him today. He is the worst GM in baseball, and it isn't much of a contest.

Biggest thing for me - I am just ready for some new blood. This team so badly needs an attitude reset. I was hopeful that Pedro would the guy that could flip that script, but honestly - he's just not. I obviously don't know what he's like in the clubhouse behind closed doors, but in his interviews he seems like just about the biggest push over possible. Guy is way too nice. Its such a sad state of affairs. Amazing the Sox just absolutely squandered this window.

Danks was a good trade, that kind of self-scouting of org talent is inconceivable under Hahn. But KW was definitely a believer in the "great man" era of baseball orgs where he thought himself like single handedly finding players and trading for friends and treating it like a fantasy team. Remarkable compared to Hahn who fancied himself smart because he grew up in winnetka around rich parents coddling him and tried to make an org approach to please papa but is miserable at it because he's a talentless hack.

They should all be regularly practicing bunting, and we've seen many times what leaving the bat in their hands has produced.

The batters up in the 10th were Robert (walked), Eloy, Grandal, and Burger. I can’t imagine that any of these guys regularly practice bunting, asking them to do so is just taking the bat out of their hands.

Spaghetti isn't the only thing Anderson is no longer getting at home.

At this point I just put the games on for background noise and I finish up last minute work stuff so I can enjoy my weekends sooner. This organization has taken just about all of my fandom away. From top down this entire franchise is a fraud.

Sorry Bob, but the window was imaginary. There never was a contention window.

Fire Hahn. Burn it to the fucking ground.

It's okay, I get my sense of humor from them. My dad was a Dodger fan but is one of the reasons I'm a Sox fan, as he drafted some young slugger for a fantasy team in the mid 90s named Frank Thomas. My mom never had a favorite team but always thought George Brett was cute, and loved watching the Sox with me (and loved Jermaine Dye). Also taught me how to keep a scorebook. They're part of the reason I love baseball and the reason I hate this team. They weren't obsessive, but certainly the reason I give a s%*#. I consider them a reason I love the Sox and why I hate the Sox. I miss them, but they'd watch the good games and the crap games with me. Also, Luis is good despite so many flaws.

The Sox remind me of when both my parents died in a two year span

Cardinals announcers discussing what teams keep giving Andrus opportunities at this stage in his career.

I love that the moron Pedro believes Elvis bat is better then Colas glove. If you want to protect Colas, put sheets in there. Elvis sucks in every facet, as does Anderson. Platooning to handedness isn't working with these idiots. The stupidity is becoming overwhelming. Going to lose at least 9 in a row and 11 of 12 after Atl series.

Lol Remillard in RF is a joke and soooo Whitesox. I couldn’t care less about handedness matchups in a 37-52 lost season, Colas should’ve been out there tonight rather that an IFer

Poor Remillard has to play RF with basically zero lifetime experience because Hahn is a fucking ass clown at his job.

White Sox pitchers have fanned 14 or more in 8 games this year. They have lost every game.

Yeah that makes sense Pedro. In a season where we aren't going anywhere, let's play Andrus a "washed up" 34 yr old (35 next month) at 2B in instead of Remi at 2B. Hell we don't need to see if Remi could be our regular 2b of the future. Instead let's put Remi in RF instead of Colas. Likewise, I guess it's not that important either to play Colas daily in RF, to see if he can be the regular RF of the future. Stupid Is as Stupid Does.

It's getting harder to distinguish between sincerity and satire around here.

It’s weird, I only hope Rick can find the person responsible for all of this! (meme needed? Probs not)

Oh man I’m just gonna sit down and be comforted in the fact that Jerry whipped up tears 18 years ago wow

He let the architect of that team go because he had done his job and wanted to move on? And he let the whole team go because had he kept them, they'd have a $250 million payroll and like 70 wins. Were the Baez, Bryant contracts the kind of thing that would help the Cubs?

Well, TBF, three days ago they kind of were still in contention in this shitty division. Thankfully (I guess - I'd still rather watch meaningful baseball), the Sox sort of removed any doubt the past few days, while the Twins swept KC. I imagine after the ATL, NYM and MN series following the break, all doubt will be officially gone.

I would have preferred moving man over too. Not because I think we could execute a sac fly, but because I think the highest chance we had of scoring a run was by far a passed ball, which is 80% of our offense. Failed bunt is worth it, still the highest probability play was toronto accidentally throwing a ball in the dirt or hitting the umpire in the head.

I have zero interest in Eloy, Burger, or Robert practicing bunting. They have better things to work on.

Every situation is different but bottom of the inning and you are playing for just one run sure sounds like a good idea.

Your situation would be the one exception.

if you're hoping for any intelligent decisions whatsoever, you're gonna be waiting a long, long time

Was listening to the game on way back from picking up pizza and Darren Jackson said "one thing you notice about these Cardinals is that they run hard on every play" Are you insinuating something DJ?

I just tried to post what I think the lineup should look like, but that exercise was too depressing. But, on August 1, I want to see Colas every day in RF, Perez on the roster at catcher, Sosa as the starting second baseman.

How can you feel bad for him? He’s constructed a poor roster that’s clearly nowhere close to competing for a championship. Luck has nothing to do with it. He’s out classed in every single way (draft, free agent signings, etc) by his peers.

Here are the Sox attendance figures going back to 1970. I know this probably won't happen, but I wish while Jerry is still alive and Hahn still the GM, the attendance could get down to the the levels of 1970 or 1975. Chicago White Attendance YEAR BALLPARK GM AVG SEASON 1970 Comiskey Park 6,115 495,355 1971 Comiskey Park 10,295 833,891 1972 Comiskey Park 15,290 1,177,318 1973 Comiskey Park 16,081 1,302,527 1974 Comiskey Park 14,105 1,149,596 1975 Comiskey Park 9,327 750,802 1976 Comiskey Park 11,366 914,945 1977 Comiskey Park 20,458 1,657,135 1978 Comiskey Park 18,523 1,491,100 1979 Comiskey Park 16,009 1,280,702 1980 Comiskey Park 14,819 1,200,365 1981 Comiskey Park 17,861 946,651 1982 Comiskey Park 19,355 1,567,787 1983 Comiskey Park 26,331 2,132,821 1984 Comiskey Park 26,383 2,136,988 1985 Comiskey Park 20,489 1,669,888 1986 Comiskey Park 17,584 1,424,313 1987 Comiskey Park 14,914 1,208,060 1988 Comiskey Park 13,860 1,115,749 1989 Comiskey Park 12,989 1,045,651 1990 Comiskey Park 24,720 2,002,357 1991 Comiskey Park (II) 36,224 2,934,154 1992 Comiskey Park (II) 33,101 2,681,156 1993 Comiskey Park (II) 31,865 2,581,091 1994 Comiskey Park (II) 30,042 1,697,398 1995 Comiskey Park (II) 22,204 1,609,773 1996 Comiskey Park (II) 20,569 1,676,403 1997 Comiskey Park (II) 23,165 1,864,782 1998 Comiskey Park (II) 17,175 1,391,146 1999 Comiskey Park (II) 16,656 1,349,151 2000 Comiskey Park (II) 24,047 1,947,799 2001 Comiskey Park (II) 22,077 1,766,172 2002 Comiskey Park (II) 20,701 1,676,804 2003 U.S. Cellular Field 23,944 1,939,524 2004 U.S. Cellular Field 24,437 1,930,537 2005 U.S. Cellular Field 28,923 2,342,834 2006 U.S. Cellular Field 36,511 2,957,414 2007 U.S. Cellular Field 33,140 2,684,395 2008 U.S. Cellular Field 30,877 2,501,103 2009 U.S. Cellular Field 28,199 2,284,164 2010 U.S. Cellular Field 27,091 2,194,378 2011 U.S. Cellular Field 24,705 2,001,117 2012 U.S. Cellular Field 24,271 1,965,955 2013 U.S. Cellular Field 21,832 1,768,413 2014 U.S. Cellular Field 20,381 1,650,821 2015 U.S. Cellular Field 21,677 1,755,810 2016 U.S. Cellular Field 21,559 1,746,293 2017 Guaranteed Rate Field 20,626 1,629,470 2018 Guaranteed Rate Field 20,110 1,608,817 2019 Guaranteed Rate Field 20,622 1,649,775 2020 Guaranteed Rate Field COVID COVID 2021 Guaranteed Rate Field 19,708 1,596,385 2022 Guaranteed Rate Field 24,807 2,009,359 2023 Guaranteed Rate Field 20,415 837,051

hmm I think the tallest cumulative first three rounds the white sox could feasibly get would be 1 - Bryce Eldridge (6'7) 2 - Alonzo Tredwell (6'8) 3 - George Wolkow (6'7) This would add I believe like 138" to the org.

100% of the time. Doesn't matter who's batting. Bunt the runner to 3rd. Put pressure on the defense.

Correct. So in a way JR's "fiscal responsibility" philosophy was in part responsible for this situation.

I laughed - not because its funny - because it is so pathetically true.

As always, the beatings will continue until morale improves

Well this thread title aged well

I believe there are individuals that could succeed as the GM under Jerry, but as we all know, those individuals won’t be hired.

Probably because he isn’t winning batting titles.