caulfield12 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: Madrigal, Stroman, Simmons (vs. Harrison) and Suzuki four players that will be closely followed and compared by Sox fans. The Cubs still feel like a 75 win team at best, but they're at least getting to the point of being more interesting. Clearly another full rebuild not in the cards, with Cubs' fans increasingly impatient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 The Blue Jays are doing what we should be doing. That’s what a team with World Series aspirations do. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I love the Blue Jays aren’t content with what they have and continue to make bold moves, whereas there are Sox fans who say we should be happy with the core we have. The Jays are going to pass us soon if we don’t make a major move. They might sign Schwarber too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, Bob Sacamano said: They might sign Schwarber too. That’s fine and dandy, but will they experience the health & defensive improvements that we will organically? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Must be nice to have a minor league system: https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1504067385048940544?s=20&t=O2Tnfgdp2EZyk91HgSNwFQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Madrigal, Stroman, Simmons (vs. Harrison) and Suzuki four players that will be closely followed and compared by Sox fans. The Cubs still feel like a 75 win team at best, but they're at least getting to the point of being more interesting. Clearly another full rebuild not in the cards, with Cubs' fans increasingly impatient. I was just about to post that I would rather have had the scrubs' offseason than what RH/KW did. Seriously: Suzuki vs ??? Stroman vs Velasquez Simmons vs Harrison Also, picking up $16MM of Kimbrel, and adding $41MM more in RP contracts. Who's rebuilding, and who's "competing?" To the point if Suzuki himself, I'm disappointed that this FO apparently didn't even fucking try to look into him. I dont care that he's a RHH, he would probably be the most promising RFer here since Dye. Edited March 16, 2022 by Two-Gun Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Why is everyone getting better except us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 25 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Bold prediction, but I think Manaea or Montas is on the White Sox by the end of the day. With Chapman being moved, that now allows the A’s to focus on trading these guys. Only way the sox can acquire anything is by giving up more of the very limited player assets they do have lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: Why is everyone getting better except us frustrating. We've gotten worse... somehow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Madrigal, Stroman, Simmons (vs. Harrison) and Suzuki four players that will be closely followed and compared by Sox fans. The Cubs still feel like a 75 win team at best, but they're at least getting to the point of being more interesting. Clearly another full rebuild not in the cards, with Cubs' fans increasingly impatient. Honestly don't care to follow and compare any of those guys. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: Why is everyone getting better except us Because they don’t know how to or care to spend the money the right way to improve the team. They mismanaged the allocation of their resources. Edited March 16, 2022 by maloney.adam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Something I realized yesterday when looking at the tax numbers. Remember Rick Hahn’s shenanigans with Hendriks’s contract, where rather than just signing him for 4/$54, he can convert the final year into an option that becomes deferred money? The luxury tax calculation is guaranteed dollars divided by guaranteed years, at least on Hendriks. Because it’s 3 years guaranteed and $54 million guaranteed, his luxury tax number for this year is $18 million. If they had just signed him for 4/$54 without the shenanigans, his luxury tax number would be $13.5 million. Thats the difference right now between having a Spotrac estimate of $17.25 million in tax space and $21.75 million in tax space. No one thought that would matter at the time, and all of a sudden it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 well I would prefer not to buy sox tickets against the blue jays. It will be 9 nothing after the first few innings. So many A league teams better than the sox, JR knows one thing in his favor, he is in the worst division in the A league. NL central is right there with them, this is why these midwest teams can win with less all you need is a few of them like the sox , cardinals , brewers, tigers and cubs to spend just a little more to win the division and limp into the playoffs. There they will get killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, quickman said: well I would prefer not to buy sox tickets against the blue jays. It will be 9 nothing after the first few innings. So many A league teams better than the sox, JR knows one thing in his favor, he is in the worst division in the A league. NL central is right there with them, this is why these midwest teams can win with less all you need is a few of them like the sox , cardinals , brewers, tigers and cubs to spend just a little more to win the division and limp into the playoffs. There they will get killed. The record of the AL Central in the playoffs since the Cubs/Indians World Series in 2016 is hideously ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 It’s amazing how much the failures of our minor league system are costing us right now. From 2015 to 2018 we had five first round picks. Two of them were eventually DFAed, one of them is a backup catcher who can’t catch and only has one option left, and another was a guy who contributing but was traded for 1 to 2 years of a reliever making ~$16M. At this point, our only hope of extracting future value is from a 3B/1B type coming off two Achilles injuries and who turns 26 next month. That’s all we have to show from our 1st round picks from four drafts. And non of these guys were high variance HS picks, but rather safe college picks. Let’s go another level though. The Sox had six total 2nd & 3rd round picks across these drafts. Out of these six players, only one remains in the organization in Gavin Sheets. Of the five others, one was traded for two months of Caesar Hernández, one was traded for one year of Nomar Mazara, one was traded for one year of Yondor Alonso, and the other two retired or were claimed off waiver. Again, all six of these college picks, most of them of the safe variety. I could go a level further and point out all the relievers we drafted in the middle rounds, all the relievers we acquired by selling international bonus slots, and the fact that we invested $2.5M in Yogurt Sanchez instead of signing teenagers who are a currency rebuilding teams actually want. Good thing we have all those relief prospects and near ready utility man in Yogurt so we can prioritize other needs in free agency…whoops. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Imagine tanking for three years to rebuild your team and then when you finally reach your window you decide being the 4th or 5th best team in thr AL is good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: It’s amazing how much the failures of our minor league system are costing us right now. From 2015 to 2018 we had five first round picks. Two of them were eventually DFAed, one of them is a backup catcher who can’t catch and only has one option left, and another was a guy who contributing but was traded for 1 to 2 years of a reliever making ~$16M. At this point, our only hope of extracting future value is from a 3B/1B type coming off two Achilles injuries and who turns 26 next month. That’s all we have to show from our 1st round picks from four drafts. And non of these guys were high variance HS picks, but rather safe college picks. Let’s go another level though. The Sox had six total 2nd & 3rd round picks across these drafts. Out of these six players, only one remains in the organization in Gavin Sheets. Of the five others, one was traded for two months of Caesar Hernández, one was traded for one year of Nomar Mazara, one was traded for one year of Yondor Alonso, and the other two retired or were claimed off waiver. Again, all six of these college picks, most of them of the safe variety. I could go a level further and point out all the relievers we drafted in the middle rounds, all the relievers we acquired by selling international bonus slots, and the fact that we invested $2.5M in Yogurt Sanchez instead of signing teenagers who are a currency rebuilding teams actually want. Good thing we have all those relief prospects and near ready utility man in Yogurt so we can prioritize other needs in free agency…whoops. I know bigger points made, but Collins has an option left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 16 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Only way the sox can acquire anything is by giving up more of the very limited player assets they do have lol. I totally agree, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Need to focus on 2022 to 2024 and not head into this year with major holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: It’s amazing how much the failures of our minor league system are costing us right now. From 2015 to 2018 we had five first round picks. Two of them were eventually DFAed, one of them is a backup catcher who can’t catch and only has one option left, and another was a guy who contributing but was traded for 1 to 2 years of a reliever making ~$16M. At this point, our only hope of extracting future value is from a 3B/1B type coming off two Achilles injuries and who turns 26 next month. That’s all we have to show from our 1st round picks from four drafts. And non of these guys were high variance HS picks, but rather safe college picks. Let’s go another level though. The Sox had six total 2nd & 3rd round picks across these drafts. Out of these six players, only one remains in the organization in Gavin Sheets. Of the five others, one was traded for two months of Caesar Hernández, one was traded for one year of Nomar Mazara, one was traded for one year of Yondor Alonso, and the other two retired or were claimed off waiver. Again, all six of these college picks, most of them of the safe variety. I could go a level further and point out all the relievers we drafted in the middle rounds, all the relievers we acquired by selling international bonus slots, and the fact that we invested $2.5M in Yogurt Sanchez instead of signing teenagers who are a currency rebuilding teams actually want. Good thing we have all those relief prospects and near ready utility man in Yogurt so we can prioritize other needs in free agency…whoops. Sad but true...would also add that the three high school guys in Kanny all imploding last year killed their trade value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I know bigger points made, but Collins has an option left? Yes, I believe he didn’t spend enough time in AAA last year to cost us an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: It’s amazing how much the failures of our minor league system are costing us right now. From 2015 to 2018 we had five first round picks. Two of them were eventually DFAed, one of them is a backup catcher who can’t catch and only has one option left, and another was a guy who contributing but was traded for 1 to 2 years of a reliever making ~$16M. At this point, our only hope of extracting future value is from a 3B/1B type coming off two Achilles injuries and who turns 26 next month. That’s all we have to show from our 1st round picks from four drafts. And non of these guys were high variance HS picks, but rather safe college picks. Let’s go another level though. The Sox had six total 2nd & 3rd round picks across these drafts. Out of these six players, only one remains in the organization in Gavin Sheets. Of the five others, one was traded for two months of Caesar Hernández, one was traded for one year of Nomar Mazara, one was traded for one year of Yondor Alonso, and the other two retired or were claimed off waiver. Again, all six of these college picks, most of them of the safe variety. I could go a level further and point out all the relievers we drafted in the middle rounds, all the relievers we acquired by selling international bonus slots, and the fact that we invested $2.5M in Yogurt Sanchez instead of signing teenagers who are a currency rebuilding teams actually want. Good thing we have all those relief prospects and near ready utility man in Yogurt so we can prioritize other needs in free agency…whoops. whenever someone breaks down our minor leagues and drafting history (sans Sale) i get majorly depressed. This organization is a joke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, reiks12 said: whenever someone breaks down our minor leagues and drafting history (sans Sale) i get majorly depressed. This organization is a joke Anderson pick deserves a ton of credit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thxfrthmmrs Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: It’s amazing how much the failures of our minor league system are costing us right now. From 2015 to 2018 we had five first round picks. Two of them were eventually DFAed, one of them is a backup catcher who can’t catch and only has one option left, and another was a guy who contributing but was traded for 1 to 2 years of a reliever making ~$16M. At this point, our only hope of extracting future value is from a 3B/1B type coming off two Achilles injuries and who turns 26 next month. That’s all we have to show from our 1st round picks from four drafts. And non of these guys were high variance HS picks, but rather safe college picks. Let’s go another level though. The Sox had six total 2nd & 3rd round picks across these drafts. Out of these six players, only one remains in the organization in Gavin Sheets. Of the five others, one was traded for two months of Caesar Hernández, one was traded for one year of Nomar Mazara, one was traded for one year of Yondor Alonso, and the other two retired or were claimed off waiver. Again, all six of these college picks, most of them of the safe variety. I could go a level further and point out all the relievers we drafted in the middle rounds, all the relievers we acquired by selling international bonus slots, and the fact that we invested $2.5M in Yogurt Sanchez instead of signing teenagers who are a currency rebuilding teams actually want. Good thing we have all those relief prospects and near ready utility man in Yogurt so we can prioritize other needs in free agency…whoops. Rick Hahn is purely living on the laurels of the Abreu/Robert signing and the trades he made at the beginning of the rebuild. Outside of the Lynn trade, Hendriks signing, the organization had not done anything worth a damn to improve the team into a championship contender, and build an pipeline that could extend their window. But hey, at least we’re not the Reds, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, fathom said: Sad but true...would also add that the three high school guys in Kanny all imploding last year killed their trade value. That definitely hurts, but I think that can partially be blamed on the pandemic. At least they went for youth / ceiling with those picks. 2021 is going to be huge for those guys and for the system in general though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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