CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 11 hours ago, Flash said: Hey Cali - your boy Outman would look pretty good in a Sox uniform. Stone Garrett has started off pretty well too after the Nats brought him back up from the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) I’d just like to say this season isn’t Grifol’s fault. That isn’t to say he’s made some mistakes…he has. But he didn’t have a lot of his roster in spring training because of the WBC, which didn’t help him in Year 1. And the weak roster the stupid front office gave him, has put him in an impossible situation to succeed. He did a lot good things in his baseball career to get this job, and deserves better. Maybe he will prove to be a bad manager, but I think it’s far too early to declare his hiring a failure. Edited April 25, 2023 by flavum 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurtCG Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, flavum said: I’d just like to say this season isn’t Grifol’s fault. That isn’t to say he’s made some mistakes…he has. But he didn’t have a lot of his roster in spring training because of the WBC, which didn’t help him in Year 1. And the weak roster the stupid front office gave him, has put him in an impossible situation to succeed. He did a lot good things in his baseball career to get this job, and deserves better. Maybe he will prove to be a bad manager, but I think it’s far too early to declare his hiring a failure. Dude made a bad career move taking the Sox gig. It will likely be his first and only manager job. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 JR had no problem saying Gene Lamont deserved to be fired after starting 11-20 in 1995 after being the first and only White Sox manager to lead his team to 2 division titles in a row. Obciously 1994 was a strike year with no playoffs, so an asterisk. If the White Sox really considered their roster to be title contenders, I'm sorry, Pedro has to be on the hot seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 21 minutes ago, LittleHurtCG said: Dude made a bad career move taking the Sox gig. It will likely be his first and only manager job. It’s not like organizations were battling over him, heck the organization that he’s been with for over 10 years that had numerous coaching changes never picked him… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 14 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said: It’s not like organizations were battling over him, heck the organization that he’s been with for over 10 years that had numerous coaching changes never picked him… I mean, what do Terry Francona, Jim Leyland, and Dave Dombrowski have in common? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 32 minutes ago, Quin said: I mean, what do Terry Francona, Jim Leyland, and Dave Dombrowski have in common? Touché Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Quin said: I mean, what do Terry Francona, Jim Leyland, and Dave Dombrowski have in common? Kim Ng and Dan Evans (DePaul kid) as well... Edited April 25, 2023 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Quin said: I mean, what do Terry Francona, Jim Leyland, and Dave Dombrowski have in common? June 2, 1995 - With the Sox having blown four straight games to the Indians, and off to an 11-20 start, manager Gene Lamont was fired and replaced by abrasive, taciturn third base coach Terry Bevington. Bevington would turn out to be a disaster on the field and in the clubhouse and the long-term effects of the way Lamont was dismissed would cause his mentor and former Sox coach Jim Leyland to turn down overtures by owner Jerry Reinsdorf to take over after Bevington was removed before the start of the 1998 season. He’d be replaced by first time manager Jerry Manuel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Can you blame Tony for last year and not blame Pedro for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ozzie’s Cuban Cigar Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 25 minutes ago, Texsox said: Can you blame Tony for last year and not blame Pedro for this? Of course they can. That’s the narrative the last two years even though they won 93& 81 games with the same crew. Always blame Tony. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 31 minutes ago, Texsox said: Can you blame Tony for last year and not blame Pedro for this? @Balta1701 do you have the list handy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Just now, Quin said: @Balta1701 do you have the list handy? Last year I gave up. In many ways the bullpen use was better than in 2021, but when Leury was batting 3rd in the middle of April there was no point. I still don't know what the Hell was with that first 8 game losing streak in April. Sure Leury being put at the top of the order contributed, but that didn't make Anderson and Abreu and the rest of the infield seemingly forget how to field for a week, and that was at the same time as they played the Leury game. Without knowing what the Hell happened there, I just shrugged and said blah, this is a mess. The other big one last year was the "2 strike walks" that were just so blatant. I can still probably track down the playoff ones. That's seared into the brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 40 minutes ago, Texsox said: Can you blame Tony for last year and not blame Pedro for this? One important point that should have been understood this offseason - this team is way worse than the 2022 White Sox finished on paper, unless you had lots of guys suddenly break out. Guys may not have contributed at the same level this year, but they lost Cueto, Abreu, and Harrison to free agency, they traded McGuire, they got unbelievably lucky contributions from Zavala and Andrus in terms of home run rates, and they had an excellent record in 1 run games, which I will even in part credit to effective bullpen usage by the manager if you want. If you count up WAR, the "Stuff that they will struggle to replace" was well over 10 wins! By pythagorean record, they were a 3rd place team last year, they should have finished about 5 games under .500, and that was with all that ridiculous stuff. Feel free to credit the manager for that. This team needed to replace all those guys, and the only people brought in from outside were Clevinger and Benintendi. All the rest of the ground had to be made up internally. This roster is missing all those pieces, and losing Hendriks with no replacement is the icing on the cake when you can argue he was the 3rd most important player on the White Sox last year. If you didn't get guys breaking out, there was a clear and easy path to a 70 win team or worse just by the roster. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 8 hours ago, Dick Allen said: JR had no problem saying Gene Lamont deserved to be fired after starting 11-20 in 1995 after being the first and only White Sox manager to lead his team to 2 division titles in a row. Obciously 1994 was a strike year with no playoffs, so an asterisk. If the White Sox really considered their roster to be title contenders, I'm sorry, Pedro has to be on the hot seat. No chance.JR is still paying TLR for this season, he’s not going to fire Grifol and have to pay him on top of all of the other money he’s giving away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 This team needs a manager that would hold players accountable and get them to play with emotion. We had the opportunity to rehire Ozzie in the offseason and he would have been perfect. Instead, we hired a younger clone of LaRussa (who is producing the same lackluster results) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 On 4/17/2023 at 3:32 PM, Harry Chappas said: There has been no philosophical shift in how they are playing the game from last year to this. This is the big thing... Im not sure how much longer i can watch these hack and slash... terrible at bats This garbage has been going on for years also. This team plays a completely dumb brand of baseball... a pitching staff that gives walks and and offense that refuses to take them. It really is some of the dumbest chit ive ever seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpton Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 9 hours ago, Texsox said: Can you blame Tony for last year and not blame Pedro for this? The bigger blame goes to whoever assembled this squad, and we all know who that is. Pedro has made an abysmal start but with the squad he has been given and the fixtures he has had so far, he was on to a loser anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 9 hours ago, sin city sox fan said: This team needs a manager that would hold players accountable and get them to play with emotion. We had the opportunity to rehire Ozzie in the offseason and he would have been perfect. Instead, we hired a younger clone of LaRussa (who is producing the same lackluster results) JR please hire a guy who in his last gig led a team picked to win their division to a 69-93 record eleven years ago to be our next manager. Bonus points if he can piss off major sections of the fan base. Checking the usual list. You won't be bidding against anyone else, he is an ex player, and drinks a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurtCG Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 14 hours ago, Ozzie’s Cuban Cigar said: Of course they can. That’s the narrative the last two years even though they won 93& 81 games with the same crew. Always blame Tony. You nailed it. This year is actually evidence that Tony got the most of the ballclub the last two years. The team has completely imploded now that he is gone. 14 hours ago, Quin said: @Balta1701 do you have the list handy? Let's see the almighty list! Please include the fan fiction where a different manager has the Sox beating the crap out of Houston back in October of 2021. I also hope there is a list going for Pedro. That list should be getting quite long already. Although I'm betting that despair is settling in and such a list is just an exercise in futility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 perdo going to get fired soon... but wont change anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 Do you really think a new manager with a 3-yr deal is getting canned after a month? I just don’t see that happening. That’s not a baseball thing. Certainly not a Reinsdorf thing. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, flavum said: Do you really think a new manager with a 3-yr deal is getting canned after a month? I just don’t see that happening. That’s not a baseball thing. Certainly not a Reinsdorf thing. His contract isn't guaranteed I'd imagine. Tell JR he can save a few bucks having TA as player manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hang Wiffem Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 Lol nobody is getting fired Pedro is the perfect low rent guy to manage the AAA lineup we will have the next few years after the inevitable fire sale. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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