White Sox last in the MLB in OBP (.292)

[ron883]

That is all. 

[Dick Allen]

I don't understand why this ongoing problem hasn't been addressed one way or another.  Despite what they may say, it means this organization has accepted mediocrity at best. Their paying customers should take notice.

[Chimpton]

24 minutes ago, ron883 said:

That is all. 

29th in walks as well. 

[reiks12]

2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Their paying customers should take notice.

im still surprised people spend money on the team considering how much bashing the FO does on Sox fans, especially after Jerry's second place, and '4th is a good finish' quotes. 

[reiks12]

1 minute ago, Chimpton said:

29th in walks as well. 

first in ground balls

[ChiSox59]

Woof

[wegner]

Just saw 2 things in the pregame

The White Sox have the best Team ERA in the majors since May 13

Also, they have struck out an opposing team over 15 times in 6 games this season. They have lost all 6 of those games.

Man, this offense 😳 

Edited June 24, 2023 by wegner

[Balta1701]

36 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

I don't understand why this ongoing problem hasn't been addressed one way or another.  Despite what they may say, it means this organization has accepted mediocrity at best. Their paying customers should take notice.

They have addressed it. Their coaches realized their guys weren't swinging aggressively enough, so they had them swing more aggressively. It took work to get past the Royals to lead the league in this. 

[South Side Hit Men]

Through Friday June 23rd,

Above White Sox Average:

1. Benintendi .341
2. Remillard .333
3. Vaughn .325
4. Robert Junior .321
5. Frazier .317
6. Grandal .315
7. Jimenez .314
8. Sheets .303

Below White Sox Average:

1. Anderson .284
2. Haseley .282
3. Moncada .279
4. Burger .275
5. Andrus .275
6. Colas .265
7. Alberto .261
8. Perez .250
9. Gonzalez .208
10. Zavala .189
11. Sosa .145

[maxjusttyped]

2 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Through Friday June 23rd,

Above White Sox Average:

1. Benintendi .341
2. Remillard .333
3. Vaughn .325
4. Robert Junior .321
5. Frazier .317
6. Grandal .315
7. Jimenez .314
8. Sheets .303

Below White Sox Average:

1. Anderson .284
2. Haseley .282
3. Moncada .279
4. Burger .275
5. Andrus .275
6. Colas .265
7. Alberto .261
8. Perez .250
9. Gonzalez .208
10. Zavala .189
11. Sosa .145

Using the White Sox average is quite generous when the league average for OBP is .320. Only 1 regular in the lineup could have a bad week and remain above average. You'll never be a good offensive team when that's the case.

[Lip Man 1]

Fegan wrote today:

"They entered Saturday with the lowest on-base percentage in baseball, and relatedly, 15 of their last 16 home runs have been of the solo variety." 

[The Kids Can Play]

The reason they are 30th in OBP at .292 is simply because of their horrible plate discipline!

0-Swing % - 30th

Walks - 30th

Pitches taken per at bat - 30th

3-0 counts seen - 30th

2-0 counts seen - 30th

The Sox are a severely flawed roster that has a terrible baseball IQ, when it comes factors to a successful hitting approach to get on base.

 

[reiks12]

12 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said:

The reason they are 30th in OBP at .292 is simply because of their horrible plate discipline!

0-Swing % - 30th

Walks - 30th

Pitches taken per at bat - 30th

3-0 counts seen - 30th

2-0 counts seen - 30th

The Sox are a severely flawed roster that has a terrible baseball IQ, when it comes factors to a successful hitting approach to get on base.

 

When your organizational approach is "just tell me how fast he throws" this is what you get.

[CentralChamps21]

15 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said:

The reason they are 30th in OBP at .292 is simply because of their horrible plate discipline!

0-Swing % - 30th

Walks - 30th

Pitches taken per at bat - 30th

3-0 counts seen - 30th

2-0 counts seen - 30th

The Sox are a severely flawed roster that has a terrible baseball IQ, when it comes factors to a successful hitting approach to get on base.

 

This isn't a new problem. Even the 2005 team was bad at getting on base (22nd) and taking walks (25th). They were mediocre in GB rate (12th lowest).

Maybe having an ex-player who had a .269 career OBP and a 4.5% walk rate be in charge of assembling a team isn't the best idea.

[Lip Man 1]

7 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said:

This isn't a new problem. Even the 2005 team was bad at getting on base (22nd) and taking walks (25th). They were mediocre in GB rate (12th lowest).

Maybe having an ex-player who had a .269 career OBP and a 4.5% walk rate be in charge of assembling a team isn't the best idea.

But the 2005 team knew how to manufacture runs, I said that team could beat you with a blast, a bloop or a bunt.

In the top quarter of the league in various categories...home runs, bunts, stolen bases, sacrifice bunts, sacrifice flys and infield hits. 

They had tremendous balance. 

[CentralChamps21]

1 minute ago, Lip Man 1 said:

But the 2005 team knew how to manufacture runs, I said that team could beat you with a blast, a bloop or a bunt.

In the top quarter of the league in various categories...home runs, bunts, stolen bases, sacrifice bunts, sacrifice flys and infield hits. 

They had tremendous balance. 

Maybe, but the data suggests that a team being that successful with an OBP that low is an anomaly, and not something you can really count on.

It seems like the Sox have spent the last 18 years trying to recreate a team that was in many respects fluky in their ability to both score and prevent runs given the underlying metrics.

[Timmy U]

It is no coincidence that the Sox have lagged in data-driven analytics and that their opponents have outcompeted them.  There is a book on this entire group of hitters: throw them sliders out of the zone. They will swing. Rinse. Repeat.  I look forward to Colson Montgomery cuz he’s a little different, but Sosa, Colas, Popeye, and to some extent Ramos all fit that mold. Jury is out on Burke because his K rate is better than expected, but they are building another generation of the exact same thing. That is why I am vehemently opposed to them drafting Yohandy Morales.

[Bob Sacamano]

Not a good team that still might win the division by default. Woof.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

21 hours ago, wegner said:

Just saw 2 things in the pregame

The White Sox have the best Team ERA in the majors since May 13

Also, they have struck out an opposing team over 15 times in 6 games this season. They have lost all 6 of those games.

Man, this offense 😳 

We're not the only team that strikes out a lot on sliders out of the zone. We just do it a lot more often.

[Dick Allen]

When I was a kid my dad must of taught me some pretty advanced, s%*# since the White Sox players can't seem to get it. When he was a kid he was on some all star ream coached by Rogers  Hornsby who hit .400 in the major leagues. My dad adapted his philosophy. Always look for patterns.99 percent of the time you sit on a fastball. With no strikes make the ball be in a small box you really like. With 1 strike the box gets a little bigger. With 2 strike you have to be defensive. If you're hitting too many groundballs focus on the bottom of the ball. You are by default, working counts.Too much air, focus on the top. Semns pretty simple. Sox hitters go up there flailing away like the just put $1 in their local batting cages. There was other stuff like using the batters box as a tool, but that was the just of it.

Edited June 25, 2023 by Dick Allen

[The Kids Can Play]

25 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

It is no coincidence that the Sox have lagged in data-driven analytics and that their opponents have outcompeted them.  There is a book on this entire group of hitters: throw them sliders out of the zone. They will swing. Rinse. Repeat.  I look forward to Colson Montgomery cuz he’s a little different, but Sosa, Colas, Popeye, and to some extent Ramos all fit that mold. Jury is out on Burke because his K rate is better than expected, but they are building another generation of the exact same thing. That is why I am vehemently opposed to them drafting Yohandy Morales.

Great analysis and points. This is why Hahn has to go sooner than later.

Ideally the Sox could be great team with the right modern day approach, even having an idiot owner. Jerry simply needs to decide once and for all, to go to the outside to find some young smart modern day thinking GM, that understands modern baseball analytical data.

There are plenty of successful clubs like the Rays, Dodgers and Braves, etc to steal one of these Executives. Jerry then needs to make this new executive the President of Baseball Operations. The fact is, no great GM that fits this profile, is ever going to come to this dysfunctional organization for a lateral move.

Then once Jerry finds this executive, he needs to let him have full control to completely clean house from top to bottom. The new top executive needs to be able to revamp the entire scouting and analytics depts, as well as all new coaches and coaching philosophies.

Theoretically this is what should happen. Of course this is a pipedream and we all know while Jerry is still alive and in charge, this will probably never happen. 

[MikeKreevich]

Why is no one calling for Jos'e Castro's head?

[hankchifan]

23 hours ago, Chimpton said:

29th in walks as well. 

That is the main reason we are last in OBP.

[4uckOffCommieScum]

2 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

There was other stuff like using the batters box as a tool

That is almost entirely gone from major league baseball, unfortunately

[pcq]

Ump is a chump.