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This. And did we sign Wheeler that I don't know about? Let's revisit this when/if that happens.

Considering their biggest "need" is a RF with good plate discipline skills, I think missing out on Harper (not that they were ever seemingly seriously interested) is a much bigger regret than Machado.

No, no he doesn’t.

Very pissed off they missed out on Machado. It isn't fair to make this a Machado vs. Abreu/Grandal / Wheeler situation as they SHOULD have enough cap room to get ALL of that. They SHOULD have enough room to get Harper AND Machado. This is a false dichotomy IMO.

Wheeler has had one freakin injury, it’s not like he’s been out 12 times. Dude has been a great pitcher outside the TJ surgery. Still in his prime, it’s not hard to see why people want this dude. If we’re not going to be in on cole this is the dude to get.

I want nothing to do with Ozuna or Puig for that matter.

You aren't being fair here. Greg is an important part of the community, he has well over 30,000 posts and most certainly is NOT a troll. Greg's opinion of Abreu is pretty bad IMO, it's similar to my dad who yesterday told me that the Abreu deal was a 'steal' and he gave us a 'hometown discount.' I chuckled and rolled my eyes. However, it IS nice in sports to have a guy stay with a team and be loyal. I'm lukewarm about the deal, but what in Greg's post makes it an abomination and worthy of calling a troll?

We have to remember, many of the rebuild pieces added probably don't happen without the failed Shields for Tatis trade. There is no world where we still have Tatis, but also have Moncada, Giolito, Robert, Eloy, etc.

Another day another awful contract. If this is part of a major splash in FA fine but we've essentially committed 36 million AAV to two guys who are 30+ and both of these guys got one more year then they should have which means probably the only reason why they signed this early is because our offer blew all others out of the water. If you look at why the good teams are good and the bad teams are bad it's moves like these. The smart teams wait for the market to come to them. Now we see if this is part of a larger splash all I can say is it better damn well be if they are going to blow money like this it better be as part of some huge splash. Otherwise if we are operating under a similar 120 million ish budget we are screwed.

This is exactly what this board needed: another idiotic Tatis thread. Enjoy the strong start to the offseason or buy a Padres cap.

Let’s say each of our five outfield prospects (Micker, Gonzalez, Basabe, Walker, Rutherford) has only a 15% chance to be a solid regular. That means there is a 56% chance that at least one of of them will be a solid regular. If you think each one has a 20% chance of panning out, that means there’s a 74% chance at least one makes it. Point being, I think it’s likely that at least one of them could be our long term solution. I would go after a one year stop gap option and then reevaluate the prospects. We’ll have a better idea next offseason, and if it seems like all five will flop, then we can sign somebody next year.

Get it done, Hahn. This would be huge.

Thanks for explaining. My take is that trading Cease, Madrigal or any significant piece for 1 year of Mookie Betts is fucking stupid. The Sox would still be a longshot to win the division. Its not worth it, and any package we can create that doesn't include a significant piece isn't going to get accept.

Players don’t disappear into the ether when they hit FA.

My glee in watching Cubs fans witness Jimenez and Cease contribute mightily to our next championship will far outweigh any disappointment with what Tatis does with San Diego.

Yeah because a guy near leading baseball in hard hit % and avg exit velocity really benefited from the balls being juiced.

Boston will not want Vaughn. Their top two positional prospects are both IB, one in AAA and the other one in A. My guess if they trade him, will be for starting pitching.

If you are willing to trade Vaughn...trade him for a sure thing controllable player. A one year rental would be GM malpractice.

Get over it.

Hell no. How is he any different then Eovaldi? You want to go a bit higher fine but I don't see the logic in offering someone with his injury history a 5 year deal. Personally if we are not going to sign a front line starter I'd rather get some SP via the trade market.

Typical SoxTalk overreacting to something that’s not even a big deal. I think this was an overpay, but it’s not the end of the world like you guys are making it out to be.

Would rather have Castellanos anyways.

Listen. Im stoked about Grandal. I hope this is the beginning of a dynasty like the rest of us on this board. After watching MLB network tonight; I just can not get over the James Shields for Fernando Tatis Jr Trade. Imagine the flexibility we would have as a franchise. I beleive this team has depth to acquire a star caliber player. However; in this what if scenario, imagine having a player like Tatis in our core... Our Sox could fantasize about any star player to add to this dynasty via trade. Our current depth is jaw dropping itself; but lets Imagine having Tatis Jr. into the mix I have faith in our baseball ops; we have always proved to make ‘interesting’ moves. However; no matter what the results are in the next 2-5 years , I cant help but to dream of the max potiental this team could have. This is not meant to be a negative post. It was a poor early season trade. I beleive that this trade made our baseball ops department more disciplined in future trades. As a fan, I just cant help but to imagine what if...

Insanity is 11 years without a playoff appearance as the only large market team in a division filled with 4 of the 8 lowest local tv broadcast rights deals in all of MLB...and operating like a “beg packer” in Thailand instead of a Top 10-12 franchise in terms of Forbes valuation. At one point we were 8th. Now we are all the way down to #13-14-15 because of JR/KW/Hahn...so the question remains, do we really want to win it all or just put the team in a position to be contending and make more moves in June/July? Even that strategy is dubious when you need to run $160+ million payrolls to get to the ALCS/NLCS.

You’re drawing insane conclusions based off one year of a 10 year deal.

Honestly, I respect the free agents that go back and check with the club they were with, it shows a sign of respect and a sense of loyalty. Leverage? Maybe, but idk. I know Buehrle did that with us when he went to the Marlins... He had loyalty for us and the respect to ask us again. Good on Wheeler regardless of it works out for us or not.

Abreu's extension was awful. So no, not better spent.

I certainly wouldn’t mind Castellanos. I liked him more when I thought he could move to DH after a year, but Abreu’s deal makes that difficult. And I actually don’t hate his defense as much as others. He’s only played RF for two years, and he showed improvement in the second year. He just seems like a guy who will continue to improve defensively.

Imagine getting those two signed before the Winter Meetings. Would free up RH to work on that RF opening.

Ideal: Mookie Betts signs next year with Puig as a short term stop gap this year Good: N. Castellanos signs this year and rakes for us, although defense be dammed. Good: We trade some prospects for Starlin Marte and rock it out. Mediocre: Puig as a short term gap and try the market again in the next year or two The bad: Anything like Garcia/Engel etc.

He had a great 80 games. 110 Stikeouts in 80 games is a lot. 18 errors in 80 games is a lot. One major injury in one season is a lot. I think it's fair to wait before we put him in the hall of fame.

Brett Gardner might still become available and a pretty good player on a 1 or 2 year deal.

I can't believe we just LET Quintana go. He was a 22 year old LEFTY coming off a 10-2 record with a sub 3 ERA and we just dumped him on the side of the road. We are the dumbest organization ever. If we'd kept him we probably win three World Series and then we trade him to the Cubs...imagine our team with Jiminez and Cease added to our core....its the fifties all over again. Honestly I cant get over it. Wait...this is meatball Yankees talk, right?

If we're spending on Betts regardless, I'd rather not "go for it" this year by sending off Cease. I'm not convinced adding Betts to this team makes them a contender next year. Our success hinges on the development of our young, cheap pitching. The Sox can't afford to sign Betts and the pitching required to go for it all, if we trade Cease+

Puig as our 7th-9th batter taking over for L. Garcia or Adam Engel would be a huge upgrade. This as a back up plan? sign me up. I'm not suggesting we make him target #1

Tatis is awesome. However OP, if the white sox didn't make this trade, they would have made other moves around it. You can't just take the trade away and assume all else stays the same. (butterfly effect?). So, if it eases your mind, they probably still would have traded him away for a different package or something a long the lines. Who knows. Ultimately, not worth banging your head about.

I’d ban bet him that he’d stand up.

Loved him on the Bulls

It's done, it's over. Worst part is we got damaged goods and Padres didn't get disciplined.

This is a tough one. The Yankees should rightfully be concerned and have a say in things that will affect his performance. Seeing some of the absolute quacks out there over the years would make me require approval as well. However, to totally void a contract seems too extreme.

I totally disagree. Tatis was an A ball player when this started.

You're tough to impress then. He would of led the Sox in OPS and OBP. As a 20 year old. The guy is probably the best young player in baseball. My post above was only saying the rebuild as a whole is > Tatis Jr, since I don't see any way we had him plus all the goodies the rebuild has acquired at the same time.

Oh he knew..

YES.

damn you archived my dumb three beers in post after I deleted.

I hate dealing with Boras but he will take his client to the highest bidder. That just might be us.

A slight overpay for a loyal soldier who shows up for work every day. This is the AL rbi champ...not some NL has been. Lets move on.

I don't like it, but it's realllllly not that big of a deal.

McCann is an excellent backup. Nothing more.