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At the expense of others? Man the American mind set and culture sure is self centered and idiotic now-a-days.

I'm going to take this time to point something out. If anyone says that they hope an individual Sox player (or any player in the league) gets COVID-19, you'll be getting an automatic 10-day suspension. You wouldn't be wishing any other potentially fatal disease upon them, so don't do it here.

Someone supposedly has the Bubonic Plague in China. I wonder if that's next. We got hosed on the trade. They get Caulfield, we get Covid 19 and a Plague to be named later.

Gotta let people live and make their own choices.

Mass panic should not ensue after every positive test. Be calm. Be reasonable, people.

Just to add to what everyone else has pointed out, here's a simple one: Illinois was the first state, and is still one of only a few states, that have met the CDC guidelines for doing any kind of re-opening. That covers all the metrics that matter - infection rates and trends, deaths, hospitalizations, ICU capacity, and ventilator capacity. After a huge early surge that hit the large cities hardest for obvious reasons, Illinois has done arguably a better job than any other state. To say otherwise is just denying reality. You can nitpick specific things JB and the state has done or not done for sure, and nothing is perfect, but Illinois has clearly outperformed just about every other state if not all of them in response to the pandemic. And this is coming from someone who did not want JB as our governor.

Give me Mitch and the cap space!

If that was the case, they wouldn't have restarted.

This to me is a forgotten team in White Sox history. And I'm wondering if everyone else thinks so, and if so, why? They are still the highest scoring team in the 2000's. They finished with the best record in the AL and had the best record pretty much all year from May on. In June, they steamrolled the Indians and Yankees, their main competition for the best team in the AL, in a couple of home and home series that cemented they were the best team in the AL that year. I think many people today remember this team as a team that could hit but didn't have any pitching. Untrue. At the halfway point, they were 2nd in the AL in ERA. Their top 4 starters ERA's read as follows. Sirotka 3.78, Parque 3.86, Baldwin 3.88, and Eldred 3.91. And the league AVG ERA for that season was 5.28. The only reason they were second at this point was Pedro Martinez's incredible performance had Boston atop in ERA. As far as wins go, Baldwin and Eldred had 10 wins. Parque and Sirotka were at 8 each. The teams record was 52-29. That means Baldwin and Eldred each were on pace to win 20 games, and Parque and Sirotka 16. And, of course as I mentioned, they had the best offense baseball has seen since the 21st century began. AND their main hitters, Frank Thomas, Magglio Ordonez, Paul Konerko and Carlos Lee, all of whom had better seasons in their careers then this one. So no one can use the "career year" label here. So what happened? What happened was their pitching staff blew apart with injuries. It began on July 14th when Eldred blew out his elbow and effectively ended his season. Then throughout the course of the season EVERY SINGLE ONE of these 4 guys went down with serious injury. And long term. Bad enough that Sirotka never pitched again and Baldwin and Parque were never the same again. And the bullpen wasn't spared either. Simas and Barcelo never pitched again because of injury and Wunsch and Howry were effected. Yet they still finished 4th in ERA. By the time the playoffs came around their entire staff was in shambles. They lost to Seattle partly because I think their young hitting felt a bit of pressure, but there was no way they could have gotten any further or won in the post season because of the shape their staff was in. Parque started Game 1 and it was said later he wouldn't have been able to start another game afterwards and Baldwin gallantly started Game 3 but he really probably shouldn't have. Am I the only one who remembers this? Why isn't this team more revered? The 1977 South Side Hit Men team is fondly remembered, and rightfully so and by myself mind you, but that team didn't win a title. They finished 12 games out. This team did. Is it because they fell apart in the playoffs and what happened between this year and 2005 when the Twins used their small ball approach to success? Maybe if this teams pitching didn't fall apart to injury so thoroughly, which contributed greatly to their failures between 2000 and 2005, things might have been different. I'd love to hear what everyone else thinks.

Last year there were only 9 games after July that weren’t played the day they were scheduled, in all of baseball.

There is no arguing with you. Its the same tactic. You come up with an absurd thought. You double down on said absurd thought sighting research from the internet. You make several runs at better explaining it back editing your posts. Then you either tap out or you punt to the fact that you are autistic as a reason for being obtuse. You throw out technology answers when you barely have a grasp of how half this shit works. Sure you know a bit more than your parents and maybe a few of your friends. But that doesn't matter. You read something on the internet, it punched through your brain-pan and what comes out enviably is a rube goldberg plan for society. I hope your basement is well stocked. See you in two years when you can finally get your vaccine.

I think its obvious. A bunch of them need to make money. Well over half the league isn't going to be in the league in a half decade. Punting the chances at millions (or even hundreds of thousands) is an easy risk when playing baseball is no more risky than picking up groceries, running into Home Depot, getting your phone repaired at the Apple Store, etc. Mike Trout can afford to sit back and say ehhh...this may not be worth it. Older guys who have made tons of money in the league like Ryan Zimmerman and Ian Desmond can do the same. But the vast majority of these guys want to play baseball, and want to make the money that comes with it.

Eh, we've seen no evidence of that so far. This is a part of the population that's largely going to suffer very little effects from COVID-19 (certainly nothing more than the flu/headaches). Playing in the MLB without a mask, once everyone's been tested and cleared, is safer than going to the grocery store with a mask. Of course there's a bunch of positive tests from asymptomatic people-that's what this virus does. The thing that sucks is the weeks burnt over the 60/70 argument. They could've just gone with 60 right off the bat and had more time to test these fucks. Now they're up against it to make opening day.

Time makes you bolder. Even children get older. I’m getting older too.

No, Jerksticks was saying that there is no data for asymptomatic and mildly symptomatic cases. Still isn’t. Therefore death rates are still a complete mystery. The same as the common cold? We’re all friends here. Why gaslight? Why make that up?

Moncada obviously has it. They said he didn't have symptoms so that is good. Hopefully it stays that way. The good news is this ins't the NBA, he won't need as much wind to play baseball when he recovers if he has some sort of lingering effects. And hopefully this means he will have antibodies and be good the rest of the way.

LTP!!!

I would argue they were the greatest offense we've had. Especially after adding Charles Johnson.

The sad part is that after what happened in 2016, I can still see it happening.

...and new rules with suspended games. Games may get called before the 5th, and they'll pick up where they left off the day before...or when they face each other again.

Forgot about the rainouts. Wash out a two-day series and there could be major headaches. What happens if that St. Louis series or Cincinnati series hits a bad patch of weather? That could be a nightmare.

Off days: 7/30 8/14 8/24 8/27 9/7 9/10

Sox dont leave Chicago from 8/13-8/30

Technically Kip Wells was a top prospect at the time, as was Garland. I don't recall, but I don't remember when Jon Rauch's labrum imploded (and whether he might have been ready in 2000 or if that was 2001). But yes, the rotation was not pretty. Eldred was pretty solid (but even when he was pitching solid - I think you all knew he would eventually implode...or get injured). Note: Just looked up Wells..kind of crazy someone with a career ERA+ <80 pitched in 12 major league seasons

Masks should be mandatory for all indoor activity and for any outdoor activity you cant socially distance. If a person doesn't wear the mask or refuses to wear it properly ( the people who pull it off to talk, or wear it around their neck ). They can GTFO. First time you get kicked out, for the Karen crew and the Freedom people who want to execute their protest rights. Great protest your ass off in the parking lot. And you get a 30 day ban from the store on round 2 of your attempt. Round 3, permaban.

I don't remember exactly, but I think it was a spring MLB.com article about re-ranking MVP races. I'll see if I can find it.

For me I'd have illinois in a modified phase 3 with much more leniency on outdoor activities but would not allow the indoor restaurants/bars that are allowed now.

A bigger problem is going to be everyone from Illinois leaving the state for the weekend and coming back home after spending a weekend in crowds without using any common sense. I can tell you from personal observations, between Porter, Beverly Shores, and Michigan City beaches and subsequent shops and eateries, the vast majority of plates were from Illinois, with some locals sprinkled in.

You would cut food production. Cool. So what happens when the old person who barely can use the internet cant add food to their instacart when the food is not there. You just cut food production, so when that gets out into the press people will inevitably put a run on the food supply.

Yup, I obviously don’t want anyone to get it, but selfishly now is definitely the best time for a position player to miss time.

FWIW, I think there's pretty good evidence this is wrong. The "generally in good shape" part should help most of the players, but even then there are people who get substantially sick. Maybe not requiring hospitalization, but either they're hit hard, or they have potentially major side-effects. Posted in the other thread that on average, among people who are "healthy" and in this age range, the death rate is probably ~0.1% or so, and may be improving using the steroids to suppress the immune system. That's still enough to potentially have a player die, but furthermore - some players are all but certain to have some medical issues they are handling, diabetes, cardiac issues, etc. But even beyond the deaths, we can see right now that the age group that is getting this in Texas and elsewhere is younger and healthier than the first population that was hit, and we're still seeing several percent of the patients hospitalized. And anecdotally, we're seeing several percent of the people who get it have had lingering symptoms for months, sometimes minor sometimes major. Rudy Gobert - we all know exactly when he had it - and his sense of smell hasn't returned 4 months later. That's telling you right there that even for very healthy, NBA caliber midseason form athletes, this thing can do some major internal damage.

That was just a really really fun team. Lots of good young players who peaked, especially offensively, mixed with right mix of veterans. It was too bad the pitching broke down / was not good. The Mariners series was just a brutal match-up, partly because they were in the shadows for most of the games (which certainly didn't help a team that relied heavily on offense). The team also showed its fair share of nerves where you just saw they were playing tight after getting backed into a corner.

As I've stated previously, the good news is that the two Sox players were asymptomatic. One of my co-workers who is an avid runner (has run in the NY marathon) and had a very, very mild case. She was back to running right after her symptoms ended.

Honestly, if any player were to get I’d rather they get it out of the way now as opposed to during the season. Hopefully he’ll be back quickly.

I agree. With everything you said. You're right, most people didn't think they'd make a deep playoff run....because of the horrible shape their pitching staff was in with the injuries. But what if their ENTIRE staff wasn't hurt? Because as I proved in my initial statement, they DID have pitching. What if their staff stayed healthy? Not just this year, but in the next few years? Johann Santana and Brad Radtke didn't have any injury issues for Minnesota. Meanwhile, during this time we were starting guys like Danny Wright and Todd Ritchie because this entire staff went down. And of the young guys we had come up because of this whole staff getting hurt, Buehrle was the only one who really developed long term. We were counting on guys like Jon Rauch, (remember him?)

I didn't think it was for me but it is pretty incredible. I was more into the choreography and structure than the actual story. Just so flawless and quite the feat.

And if we just went with Stockholm and excluded the remainder of the country? That’s 2300 deaths out of 2.344 million in Stockholm County. 7020 deaths for metropolitan Chicago so far (I used 8 million population for Chicago)...compared to an extrapolated number of 7,850 for Stockholm based on population mortality rate for that particular metro county if you normalized in order to make a valid comparison. Because comparing national rate of all of Sweden vs. Chicago metro doesn’t make sense, either.

I’ve watched it twice since Friday, man it’s so good.

Not sure this is an especially promising omen in the Year of Covid-19.

Stay in your parents basement Jack where it’s safe. I am wearing masks, socially distancing and staying safe. Your idea of an absolute lockdown has about a .04 percent chance of anyone following it. It ain’t happening.

And both are their bios say just "Pitcher in the White Sox organization". Are we sure these are even real people? ?

I think you're ignoring two things. 1. You're comparing Illinois to countries - with leadership who reacted quickly and people wore masks and stayed away etc. That's just unfair and absurd. No matter how good Pritzker or any Governor does, he lives in a nation that has no unified leadership and a nation that has 50%+ of the states and 35-40% of the people refusing to wear masks or take any serious precautions. 2. Illinois got hit first with New York because it is a international hub. He mandated masks early and things have really leveled. He could have done better in nursing homes just as all the leadership could have. I just can't think of a Governor who I think reacted better or more quickly. There were a couple that were about equal to him I thought.

The youngest brother is supposed to be the best of the bunch and the Sox are reportedly signing him too. It's 2022 though international draft could mess up those plans potentially.

Of course not. Headlines: “Xenophobia is officially in charge. Prison camps next?” ”Look at unracist Sweden wide open doing just fine!”

My friend's drone has much better obstacle avoidance programming than his. His or hers wont fly into an object if you try to do it

If your argument is that the federal government made some stupid mistakes in an effort to run cash into the economy to prevent its collapse, I don't think anyone would argue any different. Of all of the things I am pissed of at this federal government for, this is somewhere around page 672 of my list. If there was ever a time for QE, this is it. It could have been done better for sure, but getting cash into the economy quickly was the key here. The real problem was the fact that the fed had kept interest rates artificially low during the "GREATEST ECONOMY EVER" and had done nothing to empty their books of the previous QEs, nor had they done anything to return the economy to a state where the private sector was primarily responsible for growth instead of using bodies of the federal government to prop it up artificially. The fact that we were still running trillion dollar deficits on top of everything else is almost criminal. Now when we actually NEED to be running huge deficits and need real Fed intervention, the tools are limited and muted due to the waste of the last decade. This is the time to be propping up the economy. Honestly, we should be running much higher unemployment and government payment programs so we can minimize COVID exposures by having as many people as possible stay home. Now we have to tell people to go back to work and die because the federal government is impotent to protects its people financially AND medically. People have to choose one or the other.

Rooting like crazy for the kid.

As long as he wasn’t dipping in front of children, I’m all good.