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2/24 marks the one year anniversary of his second DUI. Please take a moment to remember all of the victims of drunk driving crashes. While we've debated his fitness as manager of our beloved team we sometimes forget that impaired driving happen everyday, in every community, by folks like us. Everyone can be made an example of. Perhaps if we use his negative example to promote safer choices, maybe, just maybe, something good will come of all this. The biggest challenge with alcohol is when we most need our best judgement about the affect of the drinks we've consumed, alcohol fights back and attempts to take away that judgment. We need to plan before we go.

Some of us come here to get updates about Spring Training.

Nobody said we can't talk about TLR. He said let's be done with the repeated complaints. It's been 3 months now, we know it's messed up. Season is about to start, let's be done with it.

That is it - the tlr stuff is done in this thread - done. Focus on the squad and the team.

It’s sad that it seems certain posters are hoping for there to be turmoil.

Nah, I don't think so. The Cubs knew what they were giving up, they got a WAY better player back, and while Eloy is already good, he hasn't reached Tatis level yet. Our deal was a prospect who, if we knew how good he was, would never have been in any trade at all, for a player in Shields that every team (and publication, tbh) knew was garbage except the White Sox, and the prospect has now blossomed into someone who has already put up 6.5 fWAR in 143 games. I appreciate the attempt at positivity, though.

What I see in this thread are a ton of people who have no interactions with non-American's on a frequent basis and have never sought out conversations with people from different backgrounds. Randomly critiquing someones ability to speak English, when the USA does NOT have a native language, is disrespectful and to many of those people hurtful. Many people whose first language is not English are very self conscious about their accents, word usage, or their inability to speak as well as they wish. They are self conscious due to the attitude displayed by Mather and the likes. Let's first start with the Japanese nonsense spewed by him. Interpreters are comfort for people whose first language may not be English and are in a spotlight. You never want to misconstrue a question or misspeak and have it blow up in your face. Additionally, eastern culture is dramatically different than western culture so having someone like you around all the time can help you assimilate much better to the foreign environment in which you're also asked to perform at the highest level. Now for hispanics; why do you feel the need to randomly comment on their ability to speak English? Americans are simply uncultured despite being a melting pot of a country. Uncultured to a point of incredible embarrassment, but many Americans view that uncultured nonsense as a badge of honor. We're one of the only developed western nations that don't have a majority of the populace learning/speaking multiple language. Our ignorance is something that leads to frequent disrespect to those who are either trying to learn english, or who already speak some but aren't perfect. Someone asking why it's a big deal why the President of a company randomly comments on an employees ability to speak English when it's irrelevant to his success (the onus should be on the organization to help drive comfort and success, not discredit their lack of english speaking ability) completely overlooks the levels of disrespect and ridicule within that comment. Someone who doesn't understand how elitist it is to mention, in passing, his ability to speak English to the rotary club is part of the issues we have. If you want to say it's not racist, sure, but it's absolutely discriminatory and it's offensive. It's something that these guys are self conscious about to begin with given that they were thrown into a new culture, with (in many cases) very little support system, and don't even speak the language fluently and now their boss is shaming them for that in front of a bunch of strangers. The USA doesn't have a national language for a reason, yet when it comes to degrading those who don't speak their language the US ranks right up there with the pompous French despite not even having one. It's actually shameful that the USA doesn't teach spanish to all kids given the amount of people in the country that speak it. As someone who lives in a house with a non-native English speaker, I have seen how she's been disrespected or judged by customer service reps, coworkers, people at restaurants and strangers in public. I'm embarrassed for most who don't understand that the issue isn't that my wife has an accent, it's that millions of Americans think that's a problem or something that should be brought to peoples attention. LOL at comparing this to some taco truck and saying the guys English isn't great. It's more like saying, I like this guys tacos even though he doesn't speak English; as if him not speaking English is a bad thing or somehow has to be overcome by incredible tacos.

You've yet to make a valid argument or share any sane reasoning as to why he keeps publicly commenting on foreign players' English proficiency in a critical manner without even being asked to do so. It's tone deaf at best with a hint of mild racism. As a face of a multi-million dollar org, to put that out there publicly and unprovoked is very clearly not a good look, hence the firing. You just keep proving that that type of talk is still normalized by a lot of people, which nobody is arguing against because most people know it exists.

He never said "all was fine". He just pointed out this is another sign things (at least for the actual players and staff) are going good with TLR. The complete doom and gloom around TLR this forum emits is getting old and frankly sounding more and more like an echo chamber.

It wouldn't be a characteristic that should define you in a discussion. This isn't hard to understand. Randomly pointing out a Hispanic players lack of English acumen has no place in that conversation. Mathers history isn't a secret in the baseball world either. Please continue to defend his rhetoric though, it behooves you quite well.

Much more at the link.

Unless you have some insight about Burger you'd like to share there's really no reason he shouldn't be the 16th rated prospect. That's not exactly rarefied air for a player who was picked 11th in the whole country in 2017. It's not like he has sucked at baseball, his body just failed him. He seems to be in much better shape now and maybe he learned a lesson that those injuries taught him. You can't be an athlete and treat your body like a garbage dump. Besides, I believe the rankings are a collective effort of Future Sox not just Jimmy.

Burger was always going to make this list, it was just matter of where he landed.

Look who made the all star team.

‘Meh’ would have been a massive upgrade from Shields

I get it - but my point is - we are moderating to have it die down. People coming to this thread want to see news and discussion on the team - not 3 months of beating dead horse arguments. Those aren't for here and if people don't intend to rules they will be suspended.

So sometimes my app would kind of stall and I learned I had to like restart the app. For my tv you just hold the power button a bit longer or do a force close on the specific app. That would do the trick. I think my tv has the android tv (not sure which one your tv runs on) - but maybe that helps. But other than the ocassional refreshes - which would happen when you turn on the app (for me it is an android issue and not mlb cause it happens with my Disney plus and prime too) - the app worked amazing last year (my first year using it from a smart tv cause my other 2 TVs in our house are super old and non smart :).

TLR is a part of the team.

boobs.

I would guess a VPN would do the trick, but I’m outside of the Sox market anyways so I watch all the games on MLB.tv without the need for one.

I really am excited for almost every guy on this list except for Yolbert. Excited = want to follow. New car smell type excitement for Krogman/Horn. Continue to be probably too pumped for the mid-90s throwing McClure.

Oh yeah for sure. He looks great. There was an argument to put him higher.

Pointing out that the taco truck driver doesn't speak English well isn't bad, coming back from the truck and saying "he lives in America he should speak the language better" or something along those lines is mean and demeaning if it were to get back to him. It tiptoes the line of racism, it has the implication. i understand what you are saying with the social implications, but at the same time he represented an organization that has hundreds of immigrants walk through the door every year and to say those comments were tone deaf is understating it to me.

Agreed. The mock anti-TLR posts that complain about the complainers unprompted sure can derail a thread.

I was just going to post something similar. Let's focus on what's on the field. So far, it seems like the players and TLR are getting along fine. It's early, I know, but they all want the same thing - to win. Whether we like it or not, TLR is the manager. There's no sense continuing to complain about it. Let's save the complaining for a game that is blown because of a bad decision or a crappy lineup or something related to the actual game.

It doesn't matter if you as an individual is bothered. I very large segment of their fan base was bothered. A mediocre to great franchise quickly moves to end the situation before it escalates or happens a second time. A poorly run organization will claim the owner made a decision to keep him, he deserved a third chance (paid off women he harassed) and no one else in the organization knew about it.

By the way, of course I know who the bad guy is.

Stfu about TLR. Not every thread needs to turn into a TLR bitchfest.

Only JR knew of new TLR DUI upon interview ... ^^^^ Perhaps this topic and others involving personal opinions about social issues and conspiracy theories should be moved to "SLaM" as this thing has become a distraction which only encourages unnecessary and irrelevant argument .

So he didn't need a translator based on what exactly? Because the imbecile that just got fired said so? It's potentially insulting to blatantly accuse an individual who's second language is English of using a translator as a crutch they do not need, particularly someone from a country halfway around the world coming to this country in their adult years. It's quite obviously a topic that should never have been broached at all. Not sure how that's difficult for you to put together after the end result.

Reports seem to indicate that Sosa won't stay at SS either and he's gonna need to hit a lot. He'll be back on at midseason. We don't rank after 30 but I'd guess Sosa and Weaver were the next guys on

It's sad that people think people are rooting for it by being worried about this hire. These hysterics do nothing to calm this topic. Especially as a guy was hypercritical of this organization forever, you should get this. Unless you are telling me that for years aand years you hoped for the Sox to fail and the Cubs to win so you could be right.

Update. Good news...

Funny you mention them. Watching what they did to really go all in on a World Series and locking up a former Sox system player on a contract that this franchise can't even dream of is part of what makes me down.

Here is 16-30 from our preseason top 30 prospect's list: https://www.futuresox.com/2021/02/23/top-white-sox-prospect-rankings-preseason-2021-16-30/ What does everyone want to know?

Playoff baseball is fun but it's kind of its own compartmentalized thing to me (since I never experience rooting for a team in it), but winning regular seasons are just incredibly enjoyable and I just want that.

someone like Mather is a baseball CEO for 25 years as an idiot, meanwhile we are just spitting out stuff like this for free and nobody is knocking down our door (or my door) Nick Madrigal at 2nd base

The reason I put in "if it gets back to him" was because of Mathers broadcasting on a zoom, where it very clearly will get back to the players he referred to. I don't want it to come off that it isn't racist if the taco truck driver never finds out. It is, either way.

Every wrong move has been made, I must piss my pants for three months over Tony Larussa. Even bring him up in unrelated conversations. Ricky Renteria was wronged I tell you.

Just stating facts, Hahn extended Ricky so he should have remained, or Hahn was as wrong on that move as with most of his other 2020 acquisitions. Must be nice to make almost every wrong move possible, and win "Executive of the Year". Must also be nice to be arrested and win a high paying promotion as a result, courtesy of your crony patron. Privilege and greed runs a world in need.

Honestly never thought I would see someone pine for Ricky but here we are

There is no evidence any manager with one viable starting pitcher and a bullpen running on fumes the final week will advance in a playoff series. Perhaps if Hahn didn't saddle Ricky with a bunch of high priced negative value players like Encarnacion and Mazara, or secured some (any) pitching help or any help at the deadline beyond the laughable Dyson trade (that Steve Stone hyped as a major spending commitment on the Score - what a fucking boot licking ass-clown), or if Hahn's big high priced free agent pitcher signing could walk the walk in the playoffs matching his non stop "teaching and schooling" bullshit he spewed all season and beyond, they advance. Hahn either concurred with Ricky or ordered Ricky to have the bullpen game Game 3. Hahn called up Rodon to relieve for the first time in in his career, because they were desperate with no other alternatives. Hahn signed a negative war OF, a zero RF, and no starting pitching help beyond the cocky FA who got his ass pounded lasting a few innings in Game 2. McCann was the superior catcher in 2020 over the extremely high priced free agent Hahn signed rather than the starting pitching the team so desperately needed. They couldn't even muddle through 63 games with the staff Hahn built. Still doubt Ricky would have survived even with a 2020 World Series title. Tony was to lose his Angels job, a team already mired in substance abuse, deaths, issues and arrests, once Tony's latest arrest became public, and Jerry was hiring him period, full stop. This is the same manager, mind you, who Jerry (who barely ever speaks on the record) stated had no business returning to managing, in part because he couldn't relate to players 50 + years his junior, several months prior to undercutting his front office, recruiting, and then hiring him with no consideration to any other candidate beyond the disgraceful Willie Harris "Bud Selig" rule interview, and this is even before his latest DUI arrest Bob Nightengale reported Jerry shared with NO ONE. No competent organization or executive, not even an "Executive of the Year", signs a manger, has the team perform finish unexpectedly with a .583 winning percentage with two credible starting pitchers (one in the playoffs), and fires said manager after 63 games. Those are the facts, whether or not you choose to accept them. The players thought he was a valuable manager, he finished second in Manager of the Year voting, and the players sentiment after he was fired was near unanimous. I'll side with the players who worked with him, who he developed into the players they are now under his leadership and coaching, and who loved playing for him over old bitter media types with their over the top and many times inaccurate or one sided with out the full story criticism.

Good guys will ask you out on "real" dates in order to get to know you. Bad boys will tell you they don't believe in labels and then ask you over to Netflix and chill. Good guys will treat their waiters as well as they treat you. Bad boys will treat everyone like they're inferior. A good guy will tell you the truth, even when it's hard to hear. A bad boy will lie about his job, his hobbies, and his intentions. A good guy has goals for his future. A bad boy lives in the moment and doesn't care about what the future holds. A good guy knows that his personality is the most important thing. A bad boy will only care about his looks. https://love.allwomenstalk.com/how-to-tell-the-difference-between-a-good-guy-and-a-bad-boy/

The amount of delusion still out there is staggering.

Kenny insulted Frank multiple times on his way out. Your point is? I'm not sure I wouldn't take those guys over Jerry. They signed Felix to a big deal too. When you put everything together there are very few ownership groups in baseball worse than the Sox. As a fan, if they’re gonna be cheap at least do cheap right like Tampa and Oakland. But no, not only are they cheap they’re so damn cheap they won't even spend on amateur talent.

1998-2001 Rauch, Buehrle, Kip Wells, Matt Ginter, Lorenzo Barcelo, Jason Stumm, Rocky Biddle, Josh Fogg, Danny Wright, Aaron Myette, Brian West...there was another whose name I can't remember who ended up with the Indians https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2000-organization-of-the-year-chicago-white-sox/ If Crochet can stick as a starter, and morph into Randy Johnson, and not get injured...but that's going to require hitting on either Cease or Kopech and AT LEAST one more starter out of the group you listed. Norge Vera could be added there as well.

The M's gave Cano a $240M contract so they can't hold a candle to the Sox in terms of being cheap. The Sox largest contract in team history is among the likes of Cleveland, Kansas City et al. That's just unacceptable from a team operating in the 3rd largest market in the country.

There's nothing to debate for the doomers tho, thats, uh, the problem for them. The team has moved on. Maybe if TA and TLR get in something down the road we can revisit it.

Yoan took the first two pitches right down the middle which led to this.

I don't CARE about Teheran...I am SO excited about this team. In all my following of the White Sox I can't remember so many exciting pitchers under 26...Gio, Cease, Kopech, Crochet, Kelly, Stiever, Thompson, Dahlquist...all on the roster or in our top ten prospect list. I just don't want the White Sox even considering some 30 year old cast off...irrespective of his league average skills...even if he's free....I don't want them to look at Leake or Hamels. This is not the time...this is not the team...back when the Sox were trying to squeeze a contender out of the Sale/Quintana/Eaton/Abreu group and they had all sorts of garbage on their staff, bullpen and lineup...sure...bring in Teheran and dream. But this team has way to much talent to be grasping at straws...and if the wheels do fall of the cart with the rotation...I'm pretty sure you can find a Teheran equivalent by trading a fringe prospect to a non-contender.