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Maybe Soxtalk shouldn’t be allowed to watch the World Series.

Hamilton is a waste of a roster spot.

On a team with Eloy, Yoan, and Robert, this isn't even remotely true.

The Braves should really sign all 3 of those guys and trade Acuna Jr. to us for Dallas Keuchel. That's the conclusion I'm coming away with from this thread.

Dude he said "it's like if Mazara and Engel had hot streaks" he didn't say Mazara and Engel are the leading all outfielders in WAR the last 5 years. And Soler and Joc were NOT having legit seasons until they got to the Braves

We offered Joc more than the Cubs in the offseason and he turned it down. He then went on to put up 0.1 fWAR prior to being acquired by the Braves? You really think he was a guy we should have acquired to start over Vaughn, who posted a 134 wRC+ in July. Rosario had put up 0.3 fWAR at the trade deadline and isn’t really a RF. Soler had put up -1.1 fWAR at the trade deadline and is a absolutely horrific defensive outfielder. Neither guy was the answer to what we were looking for at the deadline no matter how hot they got during the postseason. Maybe you could of made a case for Duvall as a depth piece simply because he can actually play some defense, but he’s a low BA / OBP right handed bat with poor plate discipline who would have been more of what we already have and not a profile that typically does well in the post-season. It’s very clear that you’re using hindsight to suggest we should have made all these moves, when in reality a mix of Vaughn, Sheets, & Engel was probably more attractive than all of those options with the possible exception of Duvall. If the Sox were going to add a RF at the deadline, it should have been an impactful one like Marte or Bryant and not the scrap heap guys the Braves picked up since they needed to replace their entire outfield.

Well maybe TLR can hire his vet friend to tell Duncan's kid about shifting. They are seriously going to blow this window on TLR and his ancient ways.

Braves gave up 2 er or less in 10 post season games.

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Everyone wins the World Series in that stadium but the Astros lol

This post is spot on and speaks of the randomness of baseball. Rosario, Soler and Duvall look like superstars in the playoffs but they were just random players during the regular season. It’s like if Nomar Mazara and Adam Engel would have had a hot streak during last year’s playoffs.

Obvious (initial) overreaction to a potential World Series-winning homer (and not going as far as arguing for Rosario/Joc/Duvall, haha)... Jorge Soler to RF, screw the issues with hitting against RHP, just bomb other teams out of the park at home like the 2000 and 2006 first half offenses. You can certainly dominate the AL Central again for at least one more season (barring catastrophic injuries again), then make another go at fixing weaknesses at the trade deadline (which is right back to classic KW philosophy, right?) Will cost no more than $10-12 million for Soler, compared to Conforto's bigger ask per year and total numbers of years. Plus, you'd have to think Soler would be motivated to play alongside countrymen, so you could get a slight discount if he's already won a WS with the Braves...plus, there's the whole ex-Cub/vanquished prospect angle to consider. Won't go as far as Schwarber at DH (ex-Cubs theme again) and then adding the LHH/RHP-killing 2B with average to above average defense (Escobar, Segura, Didi, converting Andrelton Simmons if you want to shore up the defense and hope for an offensive rebound). Or perhaps they can afford to give Romy a shot for 2-3 months and see what he can do...that's the other option, with Leury as the fallback. I am thinking that they really need to start going 100% all-in over the next two years, because the future is never guaranteed...and we already "wasted" this year of Lynn, Grandal, Abreu, Hendriks, Rodon and Kimbrel with nothing much to show for it. And then they really need to decide between Eloy and Vaughn (both are at less than peak value, so holding on makes sense, but it's hard to see how they can keep both with Abreu part of the picture for the foreseeable future), Sheets, Burger and Collins (part of DH platoon if you don't sign someone, PERHAPS). Just can't see waiting another two years until Cespedes (25%???) and/or Colas (50/50???) are big-league ready. (Yes, there are a LOT of names here, and obviously many angles to consider...and certainly no easy decisions to make at this critical/crucial point in the window.)

This is silly. The sample sizes are so small. Take for example, Jorge Soler. He actually had a poor NLDS. He went 1/13. If you port that result over to the ALDS, we would have done even worse against the Astros! Simply put, we lost in the playoffs cause our starting pitching was poor. The ERA of our starters was 10.22. Sure it would have been nice to have a better person to stick in RF and 2B the whole time. But it wouldn't have really mattered. Maybe having a few better players to fill in at RF and 2B after the trade deadline could have pushed us over the top to get home-field advantage. But I doubt it. And it's not like we didn't try. All of those Braves players, except for Duvall, actually had a lower OPS than Cesar Hernandes when they were traded. We had rotten luck with Cesar.

Easy prediction is they will make a ton of moves and make people around here nervous about their chances.

Any business goal is to make a profit. It is silly to think otherwise

Ryan Rayburn looked amazing against the sox his whole career, but he sucked non the less.

Ok, I have to admit, I don’t understand this sentiment at all. I can really only think of a few times in my life I felt really screwed by a baseball team and neither of them were because the game was too expensive, it’s stuff like Hahn in 2015-2016 or the LaRussa hire. I have been going to ballgames all my life, it’s a form of entertainment, so I get to decide how much I want to spend on it. What does it cost for an upper deck ticket? I can get them for the third game of the season on Seatgeek right now for $15, plus either parking or a train. That’s getting screwed? When I was a broke college student I had to pick between that and seats at the RCA dome and I alternated each year. When I was a grad student I paid like $25 a ticket for the outfield at Dodgers stadium, got all you can eat hot dogs, and cheered for Jenks in person like 10 feet away as he was warming up. These days I often get better seats, and I have never once felt “I’m getting screwed by being here”. Why? Because prices aren’t being set by either the honored owners or the greedy ball players, they’re being set by people like me. That is supply and demand. If I am going to pay $75 a ticket, it should seem worth it to me based on the experience, and typically it is. I was at the game where Farquhar recognized a sound coming out of the Astros dugout, Keuchel started against him. Only thing I regret about that game is getting in the Shake Shack line as it took forever. If they give a crappy experience or they triple those ticket prices - real simple, I go spend my money elsewhere. I could have an entertaining day at a casino or amusement park or sit at home drinking pumpkin beer and watching Star Trek if I don’t want to spend that money on baseball (narrator - and he did that last weekend). Prices at the ballpark are set by that. If they’re too expensive, I go do something else, or I raid a McDonald’s before I get there so I don’t have to buy food. I wouldn’t really want to go to more than a handful of games a year, but if someone else does, they can decide if that’s how they want to spend their money and time. If I feel like I’m being screwed it’s not like there aren’t a thousand other ways to spend my money and time. Players salaries, owners profits, revenue, they are set by what I will pay for the product they give me. Now if you want to talk about stagnant wages and how union policy, tax policy, health care policy, and unionization policy affect those things, it might be an interesting conversation and there are plenty of ways where I’d agree I feel like lots of people are getting screwed. A too expensive beer at a ballpark? Not one of them, I can just not buy it. Frankly, me making that decision hurts their business too, because if I hadn’t been able to go to ballgames as a kid I probably wouldn’t be a baseball fan now.

Manipulating statistics to prove your point again, Ray? That's just sad.

I misstated that, it was in 10 of 16 games. Still pretty good.

Executive of the Year Rick Hahn's Right Field Plans 1-5 and 1-11 the past two seasons. (First Starting Game #) 2020 A. Nicky Delmonico (Game 1) B. Adam Engel (4) C. Leury Garcia (5) D. Nomar Mazara (11) E. Jarrod Dyson (50) 2021 A. Adam Eaton (Game 1) B. Billy Hamilton (5) C. Leury Garcia (9) D. Danny Mendick (31) E. Jake Lamb (45) F. Brian Goodwin (67) G. Luis Gonzalez (76) H. Gavin Sheets (78) I. Adam Engel (92) J. Andrew Vaughn (101) K. Romy Gonzalez (147)

c Well said. I don't know how we can look at what happened in the 2nd half and in the playoffs and think that there's nothing wrong with our coaching staff.

Maybe the trade deadline?

I actually like this. Won't happen, but the less teams in the playoffs, the better. If the owners turn MLB into the NBA and NHL, they will ruin the sport. Fans should boycott by the millions if this happens.

Can we change the name of the thread to "Recency Bias" ?

it's not that Giolito, Rodon, Kimbrel and others are enamored with Collins. It's just that they'll take anyone over the "Highest Paid White Sox". Steve Stone on the one elite AL Central Catcher.

Daryll Boston the scumbag survives yet again. Darn.

Just wonderful.

Strange indeed.

Feel like we should be focusing our energy on attracting coaches and personnel that can turn guys like guys like mid-season Joc and Soler into the post season producers they turned into. And also the oft-repeated issues with our ground ball launch angle philosophy. Status quo with the staff is frustrating, blah.

The real Boss is already talking (TLR)

My mistake on Barnhart, but some teams do sign players prior to a work stoppage

I'd like to live in a world where all 30 teams are trying to win the World Series each and every season. It's the commissioners job to choose owners that way.

I'd be shocked if Collins isn't the backup again next year. Pitchers seemed to like throwing to him (for whatever reason) and it seems like he's Jerry Narron's pet project. Assuming no changes in CBA regarding arbitration, this is also his last year before he becomes arb eligible.

Little bit in the middle. Some agents want to wait with big ticket players to see how the CBA shakes out, but then you have teams like the tigers signing Tucker Barnhart today

They have evolved into rich people's plaything. We can agree to disagree on this. It's not worth it. If the owners aren't willing to run the team with the sole purpose of winning championships then they have no business being a sports franchise owner. The goal in sports is to win championships, not make a profit.

Right. We had some discussion on that the other week but too many people were trashing admin orthodoxy so it was removed. Ulta needs to have security or barriers to deter these criminals in areas where the local government makes a concerted effort to leave the citizenry at risk. Enough is enough.

Way to not only get Jerry in there, but also Tony. That's quality agenda work. I admire your dedication.

I think Reynolds is a very good player, I just hate paying talent premiums for control. We have a core for now, would ather look for 1-2 year guys or obviously free agency.

Yes, but I wouldn't include much more than Vaughn.

Glad Atlanta won this, good job dudes. Fuck the Astros and to a lesser extent, the Dodgers.

Pretty sad in the 10 team playoff scheme the team with the 12th best record in baseball is "World Champion". The owners will want to expand this to 16 + teams. MLB should contract 6 teams, return to OG format of no Divisions, balanced schedule (14 games X 11 Teams = 154 game schedule). Sole postseason and interleague games = World Series & ASG. 14 off days plus 3 day ASG break (M-W). Total calendar days 171. Seven Game World Series. Opening Day Friday, April 2, 2021 Final Day Sunday September 19, 2021 World Series Tampa Bay (100-62) @ San Francisco (107-55) September 21 & 22; 28 & 29. San Francisco (107-55) @ Tampa Bay (100-62) September 24, 25, 26.

Hahn gets an F on RF. Soler, Duvall, Rosario andPerderson, all acquired by Atlanta mid season can play RF are better than all on the list above. They were all obtained on the cheap.

Right on, if our FO would have gone for Soler or even Duvall, instead of Kimbrel, we probably move on to the WS. Braves won scoring a lot runs and many homers, many from the newly acquired Soler, Duvall and Rosario. Astros pitching turned out to be mediocre after all. Kimbrel pitched one inning in the postseason. Think we should go for the three headed monster of Eloy, Robert, and Soler in 2022.

Let it go man.

AAA backup. Make it another spring training competition. If Zach shows improvement he gets the backup spot until the deadline with Zeby in Charlotte or viscera. The Sox will hopefully do better than my poop ideas. Usually I’m pretty opinionated about and dive deep into off-season options… hasn’t happened this year yet.

The Roller derby case is a frivolous lawsuit that will be stricken or Dismissed. They won't receive a dime, even as a nuisance settlement. There is no likelihood of confusion and there is no current use to maintain any TM rights. . As soon as I hear someone use the term "woke" (usually from my numerous white male Republican Fox News addicted friends) i tune them out or try to change the topic. I find that my old friends who are super hyped and so self assured about their politics ,ideology, and religious beliefs tend to be boring and predictable generally, but I keep them as my friends because, pretty much, that is about 99% of them any more. As far as the use of the Chop, referring to a team as "The Indians" and having Chief Yahoo as a mascot, go ahead, whatever.I know it's wrong but I am not going to waste time trying to convince anyone why, especially the hardest heads and know-it-alls. I just laugh at them thinking, how shallow, how foolish, how arrogant and disrespectful.

You should try working as a demotivational speaker with that 'no can do' attitude!

Should have went back to Spiders.