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I have not heard this one before, but apparently some call the extra inning runner the Manfred Man, and I am here for it.

f*** Manfred

Joe West is coming out of retirement, boys.

You can't blame the players for playing down to their competition when the entire organization does the same thing.

It hasn’t worked for SD yet, and may not ever with a behemoth like LAD in their division. All things being equal I’d still rather have an owner and GM who are actually trying. It’s more than we can say about the dopes at 35th & Shields.

The White Sox have won more games that the Padres both the last 2 and 3 seasons combined. Preller is mad man. I certainly admire his style from a distance. But to this point, the Padres have had limited success, just like the Sox. They did make the NLCS las season, but otherwise look remarkably similar to the White Sox production wise over the last 3 seasons with just 2022 and 2021 seasons flip flopped.

What I don't understand is if they love this rule so much, how come they don't use it in the playoffs?

It should start no earlier than the 13th. Gives teams another turn through the batting order to try to win it the old way.

Stupid

Where are you staying? Lots of good food....if near Tempe and depending on your age, there's always Mill Avenue. When I went to Camelback, by far the coolest part was showing up mid morning and walking the backfields. Doesn't cost a thing and you get REALLY up close to guys practicing - from no name minor leaguers to major league starters. You can just sort of wander around. It's very cool. Can get great pictures, and there's opportunities for autographs if you're into that. I'd also check out other spring training setups. I went to an A's game as well since the Sox weren't in Glendale one day and I was able to get free tickets. Check out the Cactus League schedule. The Sox host the Colombian WBC team on March 9 and the Padres March 12, at the Cubs and Padres the other two days. There's also the occasional night game where you could catch one game or walk the back fields in the morning, and then check out a 6 PM start at another complex. Really depends how much you want to nerd out on baseball. Spring Training is really neat if you haven't done it before and if you have a kid, you'll never get a chance with them to get closer and maybe grab a BP homer on the back fields or something. I did it six years ago with my dad about a month before he died, and it was very worth it.

Based on the fact that the Padres knew about this, we can conclude that MLB knew about this at least in September of last year, possibly several months earlier than that. MLB needs to get off its lazy manfredian ass and do something. Either put him on leave and get a suspension done or if they have reason to support him they need to do so publicly. The domestic violence policy asks for this to be taken care of in a couple weeks, not a year. This isn’t fair to the victim, who seemingly had to share pictures of her bruises to make MLB get off their butts and listen to her. This isn’t fair to the White Sox players who have this guy around. This isn’t fair to the White Sox team who have a player whose status is unknown. This isn’t fair to white Sox fans who have to decide if they’re cheering their laundry or booing domestic abuse in Arizona. This isn’t even fair to Clevinger. Do your damn job Manfred. Either suspend him or say why you’re not, coward.

He’s made me hate them so much

Sports are very simple. As a fan, are you satisfied your team did everything it possibly could to compete? The Eagles just experienced a terribly bitter loss, but they put the best team out on the field they possibly could all season...totally rebuilding (and fast!) after their last Super Bowl win. They simply got out coached by a master...who was highly motivated (along with his tremendously loyal players) in a match-up with the organization that infamously gave up on him. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-rumors-padres-sign-top-international-prospect-ethan-salas-orioles-interested-in-michael-wacha/ Just freaking try to compete. The White Sox haven't had a legit All-Star catching prospect (not accepting Collins here) of their own in decades...so go out and get one. Luis Robert is the only occasion other than Abreu in the last decade plus where they were the aggressors and successfully signed a potentially great player. But you have to consistently go after great players with the conviction you can sign them and the willingness to back it up with real money and not just loophole contracts that create the illusion you've got a seat at the table.

If that's the case, why are the White Sox seeing a 25-30% fall off in season ticket sales...and the Padres sold out all their available season ticket packages by January 25th? What is the equivalent of the White Sox beating the Mets, Dodgers and Cardinals in the post-season? The Yankees/Astros, Cubs, Red Sox, etc.? And by the lack of playoff success metric, the Dodgers and Rays have been terrible the last decade...yet they are universally regarded by most as the two best franchises for various reasons. The only WS championship for LA since 1988 was in the tainted strike-shortened year. Zero for the Rays. And the Braves went to the postseason constantly in the 90's and 2000's and only recorded a single title. Indians also zero, etc. Would the Chiefs be considered a disappointment too if they only had one title (instead of two) after five consecutive AFC Championship appearances (all home games)??? Context counts. If the White Sox beat two teams that significantly outspent them in the post season...let alone their own division...it would be considered a minor miracle.

That's not true at all. The Sox fan base's level of hope would have this as a 20 win team.

If they factored in hope the Sox would be projected to win the division by at least 10 games.

If there has to be change, change the definition of game to 13 innings, whatever, and deal with ties in the standings. Just do it. Changing the competition itself is very disturbing.

The length of the games should drop significantly this year. I think, since most concession stands have been closed up, beer sales have stopped, the teams couldn't care less how many people are in the stands for the 13th inning. The rule is there so they won't burn pitchers. If that's the case, why not do it in the postseason as well?

Yea, pitch clock should have been introduced way before 12” international softball extra inning rules were

Why would anyone want to be a fan of a team with an aggressive, creative GM who desperately wants to win when you can be a fan of a team with a GM who is the exact opposite.

This bullshit rule is just confusing....I turn on the game in the 10th excited that Josh Harrison led off the inning with a double and then realize that all he did was make the last out in the 9th.

It puts the home team at an immediate disadvantage. The road team gets to hit with a tie score and generally, less pressure in the top half of the inning. Whereas in most instances, the home team will be playing for a tie, and a more pressure filled half inning. There have been some quality baseball games I've watched where when this rule takes effect the whole tone of the game changes. Well pitched or defensively sound games go sideways and it detracts from the games integrity. There are many downsides if you choose to examine it.

HATE IT. Absolutely hate that baseball continues to cater to people that don't like baseball.

Didn't they figure out this did nothing to shorten games?

Pitchers and Catchers report in a few days. Has the broadcast schedule been announced yet? We are 2 weeks away from their first game and it seems most teams have announced their broadcast schedules by now. ?

It just leads me to believe there isn't much in this investigation that will lead to a suspension of him. Otherwise, I think there would be some administrative leads. My guess is apart from the he said/she said, there isn't any evidence.

Ghost runner is stupid and still doesn't guarantee a faster end. Rock/paper/scissors is the way to go.

I'm a little unclear on your position about games ending in ties...

I like this one myself

If by hope you mean grandiose wishful thinking by Hahn & Co...

I mean, I acknowledged the two playoff series wins. They got the Sox beat there. But no one is hanging banners for winning a division series. The two clubs have remarkably similar regular seasons the last 3 years; both have 0 pennants and 0 World Series. Yes, one owner and GM has balls, and the others doesn't. Most certainly was not a post in support of those 2. But the Padres are talked about like some model franchise, and frankly, results wise the Sox are right there with them over the past several seasons.

It’s fake baseball. May as well have them play dodgeball in the outfield for the win.

Without significant nationwide gun restrictions this won't ever change. No where else in the world has the type of gun ownership the USA does and other Western Counties like Canada that do have pretty high gun ownership (but no where near approaching the USA) at least actually place restrictions on the types of guns that can be owned and make it a more rigorous process to get a gun. Add in that our healthcare system and access to mental health care services are trash and this is what you get.

But we have a seat at the ALC table.

I'm all for participation trophies in MLB, but they'd probably be announced on ESPN so our Sox would never get any.

If they are going to insist on this rule, teams should be required to hand out orange slices and juice boxes to everyone after the game

What has been done to the NCAA playoff system is a disgrace they should just go back to ties.

That's assuming the road team scores....as they still have the advantage of knowing exactly how many runs they need. That said, there are a lot of games where they end up in the front of the pen eventually and give up massive crooked innings or just give up 3-4-5 and the home team is sunk psychologically. From 1957 to 2007 in MLB, home teams won 54% of games but just 52% of extra inning games, for example. Thought this Quora comment from 2020 season was pretty prophetic... "I think it’s yet one more terrible idea by commissioner Rob Manfred, a person who clearly does not really understand, appreciate, or care about the game of baseball. All he seems to care about is speeding up the game, simplifying it, and homogenizing its unique characteristics to make it more convenient and less interesting, partly for financial reasons I presume, and based on the “crackpot” theory that more young fans will flock to the sport if it can become more like other sports that take less time, involve faster-paced scoring, and have less complex rules. I don’t think butchering the game with the kinds of “innovations” he’s mostly been proposing are going to improve the game in any way, nor attract new and younger fans. Instead, the changes are just frustrating existing fans and devaluing the game for those who truly understand and love it I guess I can kind of understand the rationale of trying to speed up the conclusion of extra-inning games in a shortened season. But just starting with a runner on second who didn’t earn his way on there seems so artificial and arbitrary. Why not have the catchers just arm wrestle for the win after the 11th inning? Or shorten innings after the 10th or 11th to just two outs each. I don’t think this shortened season should count as a regular baseball season anyway. There won’t be enough games to determine meaningul division leaders and playoff winners. I think instead it should be played as a special “exhibition season” which will have its own playoffs and championship series at the end. However the results should forever be listed separately, as a different class if achievements during an oddball special case season, rather than pretending that AL and NL pennants and a World Series trophy earned this year count the same as those earned in any other regular season. From this point of view, if they want to use some cockamamie special rule to shorten extra inning games just this year, I guess it’s not the absolute worst option. But I’m pretty sure if they do it will just be used as a “back door” way to shove the same “innovation” down everyone’s throats in an upcoming regular season as a permanent change. I’m not one of those people who say nothing about baseball can ever change. It’s changed before and will change again. But a lot of Manfred’s ideas for “improving the game” to give it broader appeal are just idiotic “time-savers” that dilute the game and introduce more randomness to the outcomes, without yielding appreciable benefits of any kind."

Could MLB introduce a runner on 2nd every innings to help the Whites Sox?

Heck of a last 5 days or so for the Bulls

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/international-amateur-free-agency-bonus-pool-money

Why am I more excited for minors, college, prep baseball than the White Sox? Why has this organization destroyed my fandom?

Simple the owner doesn't like change nor hold people accountable.

Well, they've spent $1.4 billion on just 8 contracts since Myers/Hosmer and will likely eclipse the total franchise value of the White Sox at $1.7-$1.75 billion when/if Machado or Soto sign new extensions. I would venture to guess Hahn hasn't spent 1/3rd that amount during his entire tenure. And yes, it could still backfire spectacularly...the Dodgers have that much payroll space opening next year and one of the deepest farm systems in the game. Simply can't believe we are a week or two away from ST and there was more palpable excitement about the 1985-89 teams. $30 parking and increased ticket prices for this mediocre product? Get outta here.

I am going to predict that this season is going to be 2016 2.0

I clicked on the Twitter feed for Rick Hahn and all the posts were AK and the Bulls.