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I’m shocked they rushed him and Hendriks back, and it didn’t go well. Just fire anyone who’s allowed to make decisions.

My guess is Remillard moves to RF, because he has 114 innings in the minors there, which is 113 more innings than necessary for the White Sox to consider it.

Speaking of Mr. Diekman, interesting stat line....one part was with the abomination that is the White Sox organization, the other was with an actual, well run organization:

This is some lineup. Almost like they think Eovaldi is a LHP. There is really a shocking lack of talent on this roster.

You absolutely should trade the 1 year control guys AND Anderson. No sense in holding them. It's not like this team has shown prior year success to where you can hope they turn it around. They haven't shown that in the past, so why assume now.

burger going to eventually plummet if he doesnt get off teh swing at s%*# in the dirt train . I hate watching our batters.. every now and then they run into one. But man what a total and complet dogshit approach from top to bottom.

What record between now and the deadline would convince you this team could compete in October? 33-0 might do it for me.

Better late than never https://www.mlb.com/prospects/stats/affiliates?teamId=145&date=06/20/2023 https://www.milb.com/scores/all/all/whitesox Ramos ?

If Zach Remillard keeps getting game winning hits, this team becomes a lot more likeable

Doesn't have to be blacked out for me to not watch this team. Never imagined I would feel this way about my White Sox, but this organization doesn't deserve my attention!

I love Touki. He can spin the living crap out of a breaking ball he just hasn't been able to throw consistent strikes and I have zero confidence he's going to figure it out with these bunch of goofs.

I just think they'll get something much better at the deadline than the 70th pick next year.

Talk to Jerry

The sox just use waivers like "hey I remember this guy from the BA handbook 5 years ago" and that's it.

Hahn can't.

yes it did, Sox had the city by the balls and fell flat on their faces. Never recovered. Imagine where this franchise would be had they secured 3-4 years of good play following their WS. Most baseball fans now think of the Sox as a AAA team no different than the Louisville Bats.

WTF is he talking about? The club is on pace for 70 wins, does he live in reality? The only thing they are competing for is a top 5 draft pick.

I disagree with this. We’ve reached a point in the playoffs where teams that get hot for a couple rounds just get worn down, and a really good team always seems to knock them out in the end. When is the last time a team described by what you just wrote won a title? Maybe the Giants when they blew out Bumgarner to do it in 2014, and for them that was their third title in 5 years? After that, basically every team that has won has been really strong, winning 90 games and making the playoffs several times in a short stretch. If you have to go all the way back to the 06 Cardinals for an example, that shows how rare it is, and that team of course was extenuating circumstances- having won 100 games and making the NLCS the year before, and having two all stars who were injured but returned for the playoffs.

Reinforce what exactly? They basically will be down to Robert Cease and Kopech... Not a matter of reinforcing but tearing down completely. But Hahn will never acknowledge that publicly.

Alternate take (not saying I’m right): Right now Pedro is like “I can’t believe how F’d up this organization is. What did I get myself into?!?! You don’t like it, talk to the Morons above me!!!” I don’t know about all of you, but I’ve been there in a job. Maybe someday we’ll know.

I firmly and vehemently disagree with the notion that this team is being dramatically held back by managing and that you can somehow see that because one starter had an excellent game against a team with its own offensive issues. 36 year olds who have lost fastball velocity but can still have an occasional good game aren’t being held back by their manager. This is just a plain old bad team. That doesn’t mean Pedro is any good, it just means that they’re a bad baseball team. I don’t care if it’s Bobby Cox, Joe Torre, Joe Maddon, or Kevin Cash. They’d still be bad.

Tex, honestly, what point are you trying to make in this thread? Fegan wrote good articles and properly covered the team. He lost his job and a lot of Sox fans are rightfully annoyed. Long form drivel driven rants on this board are obviously not a replacement for good coverage of a team. Do we need Jim Bowden's constant brain droppings sent as push alerts? Not really, but, that'll drive traffic because it's tagged as "former GM previews the trade deadline!" and then it's 10 completely asinine proposals from Bowden that won't get made in a million years. Like, if you want to be that nihilistic, we can just say "what is the point of hiring broadcasters? To narrate shitty baseball?"

And to think after that rookie year we could have used him as a Corbin Burnes trade chip….it makes me sick to think how average he’s been ever since that offseason.

“It’s Pedro’s fault. Rick Hahn is a good boy and great executive.” Signed, Bob Nightengale

I think that is referred to as, "Stupid is as Stupid does!"

I really want to agree with you, and in a couple divisions it's kind of true, but in the AL Central? No. The easiest part is beating this collection of shallow, little talent, teams. The hard part is beating teams from much better divisions. You're saying the hard part is beating the Guardians, Tigers, and Twins and the easy part is getting hot and beating the Rays, Orioles, Rangers, Astros, Angels?! The hardest part is accepting this team sucks. The easy part is finding less aggravating things to do like chat with telemarketers about extending my car warranty or Medicare supplements.

Another guy who throws hard but doesn’t know where the ball is going. He’ll fit right in!

Just another endless example of this highly dysfunctional organization that has no clue. They continue to embarrass themselves in every single aspect of what it takes to be a successful winning baseball club. They rushed Crochet back this year and there was no reason to do so coming off TJS, especially since the team wasn't going anywhere. It also makes you question if the Sox medical and training staff even did the proper rehab and strength training necessary to have Crochet recover properly from TJS. How many blunders does Hahn get before Jerry finally needs to wake up and fire Hahn. I guess some cats actually have 9 lives!

Ugh, so Jose Rodriguez gets called up to ride the pine I see. What a s%*# lineup, thank god this is blacked out on MLBtv for me so I don't have to suffer through this.

That is ugly.

I don't know whether or not you are right about that, except to say that if he's drafted as a reliever, he in no way is worth pick #11. Rushing him up to the pen in the year he was drafted is ridiculous, regardless.

This is obviously true in the factual sense of "You can't win a World Series without making the playoffs." But as others have mentioned, including Hahn....the AL Central can't seem to have anyone that wants to play above .500 at this point. How is the winner of the AL Central going to stack up against Texas, Tampa, Baltimore, or the Braves, Phillies, etc...? Yes, getting to the playoffs is the goal, because you can't reach your ultimate goal without doing that first, but I can at least give a small tip of the hat to Hahn for his quotes above, as he's telling the fan base "Listen, we got to the playoffs in 2020 and 2021, and we all saw what happened. A First Round exit isn't saving anyones job, that's not the goal, and if we think that's all this team is capable of, we're not investing more resources into this bunch because that isn't what we're shooting for." Obviously that is received much more positive if he wasn't absolutely terrible at his job and got the Sox into this mess, but I do agree with his sentiment given how the standings look, as well as the performance of the 2023 White Sox.

There’s just zero reason to take a college corner. If Houck and Nimmala are off the board, I’d much rather go Jacob Gonzalez or Matt Shaw than one of the college corners. If you’re willing to take a corner, take Aidan Miller. This isn’t that hard. Here’s how I see it right now: the consensus top five will be gone. Let’s also say that Kyle Teel, Enrique Bradfield, Noble Meyer, Rhett Lowder and Chase Dollander are also off the board. That leaves one of these five players for the White Sox: Colin Houck, Arjun Nimmala, Jacob Gonzalez, Matt Shaw and Aidan Miller. One of them should be the pick.

He’s 13th in MLB (among all players) in fWAR and the top CF in the AL right now, so barring anything drastic he should be their lone representative.

None of this bothers me anymore, the ASG is a farce and has turned into a popularity contest. Fans shouldn't be allowed to vote or if they are should only be allowed to vote one time, like in a political election. Every team also should not be represented. If you are a bad team, you shouldn't be rewarded with a mediocre player getting picked just to have representation.

The 2006 August collapse really sucked. On paper that team was better than the 05 team.

Look I know this isn’t what everyone wants to hear, but I am looking forward to Pedro going into his Joker era and saying “nah I don’t care, talk to Jerry” ? especially after Jerry threw him under the bus through Bob Nightengale. f*** it, bring on the chaos

That might be a solid argument if the Sox were in a stronger division. The winner of the Central division has no respect from the betting sportsbooks. Currently as of today, the odds to win the 2023 World Series from BetRivers: Braves +475 Dodgers +525 Rays +550 Astros +625 Rangers +1200 Yankees +1400 Blue Jays +1600 Padres +2100 Twins +2200 White Sox +15000 Ok so the Sox got hot and won the Central, they would still be the last seeded team in the playoffs and worst odds of teams to win the World Series. It's absolutely not worth losing out on being sellers at the trade deadline and attempting to improve this horrible baseball roster.

Oscar Colas needs to be back in Right Field every day. The Frazier/Sheets platoon has failed.

I would take getting into the world series and losing like the phillies did. But anyway love how Hahn can be "realistic" in judging what his players can accomplish but has never been realistic about what the trash front office he has overseen for a decade can accomplish. The exciting thing for hahn is he can save his father Jerry some money. He certainly won't bring in talent that will help us do s%*#.

Don't let affable Rick operate this deadline

2021 Braves won 88 games but they’re an example.

Listening to the Rangers feed, that is what they talked about a lot...How the White Sox will just chase about anything out of the Zone. They said there is a lot of talent here, it is just not being harnessed or motivated.

Upcoming Rick Hahn 2023 Milestones. Lowest point within White Sox Seasons (45 Total / 16 Jerry): 14 games under .500: 1944; 1961; 1984; 2023 15 games under .500: 1914; 1947; 2001 16 games under .500: 1927; 1928; 1995; 2014 17 games under .500: 1923; 1998; 1999 19 games under .500: 1933; 1942 20 games under .500: 1903; 1938; 1986 21 games under .500: 2019 22 games under .500: 1924; 1979; 1987 23 games under .500: 1978; 1988; 2007 25 games under .500: 1989 26 games under .500: 1980 28 games under .500: 1949 29 games under .500: 1910; 1968 30 games under .500: 1969 32 games under .500: 2017 33 games under .500: 1921; 1976 34 games under .500: 1930 35 games under .500: 1935 36 games under .500: 1929; 2013 38 games under .500: 2018 41 games under .500: 1931 46 games under .500: 1934 50 games under .500: 1970 52 games under .500: 1948 54 games under .500: 1932 35 Worst White Sox Seasons (10 Jerry) 14 games under .500: 1914; 1947; 1979; 1984 16 games under .500: 1923; 1933; 1942; 2014 17 games under .500: 1903; 1910; 2019 18 games under .500: 1938; 1986; 2007 19 games under .500: 1978; 1988 20 games under .500: 1980 21 games under .500: 1924 23 games under .500: 1989 26 games under .500: 1969 28 games under .500: 1949; 1968; 2017 30 games under .500: 1921; 1930 33 games under .500: 1976 34 games under .500: 1929; 1950 36 games under .500: 2013 38 games under .500: 2018 41 games under .500: 1931 46 games under .500: 1934 50 games under .500: 1948; 1970 53 games under .500: 1932

I largely agree, but the internally developed talent, most of which came from the late 90s and early naughts, was drying up pretty quickly. Although he made several terrible trades and others that were sort of lose-lose, he made enough nifty ones to keep the Sox winning. Any way you slice it, he's 10X Hahn, who doesn't have a feel for anything. It's just disappointing that KW hasn't stepped in to stop this nonsense.

Let's bash people accurately for once. I said Jake needs to make adjustments, just like Yermin needed to once they figured him out. He also needs to figure it out at 3B as the Sox are taking a hit defensively if he doesn't improve. Billy Hamilton is the only player capable of giving Luis Robert Jr. a day off. Luis is clearly worn out, needs rest, but Hahn doesn't have a capable CF on the roster. Frazier can't even handle RF. If Robert breaks down, this team is completely dead with what they are throwing out there in RF.

Abraham Nunez had two more hits in DSL today too. He’s good.

My free advanced scouting newsletter for opponents of the Chicago White Sox...... Sliders out of the strike zone are your friend

You made a suggestion that Rick Hahn agreed with. This isn’t a compliment.

Feel like we’re at a point where they’re doing a disservice to any player they draft or sign.