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https://www.mlb.com/prospects/stats/affiliates?teamId=145&date=09/16/2023 https://www.milb.com/scores/all/all/whitesox Think if you are reading this, you qualify as a White Sox Marine. The few, the proud, the masochistic! I see a shirt lol. Tomorrow begin a trip to DC and will meet my son in Boston to cross a Fenway Sox vs Sox game off the bucket list. Yeah when I got the tickets this spring wasn't expecting this........

It’s insane how soft he is on veterans

Yeah but 670 said he's a meanie. So pitchfork mob at Clevinger!

So despite all evidence and findings proving otherwise, you're still ready to send the guy to the Gulag? Seems Fascist, tbh.

Only the White Sox could make a win excruciating. Santos is another guy who can't handle later inning situations.

Then he should shut the f*** up.

Right now it’s one of the worst trades in Sox history.

A good free agent class and the Sox fortunes are mutually exclusive. They never end up in Chicago anyway. At least on the Sox.

Do you think any of them really care? They still get to cash their paychecks whether they win 100 games or lose 100 games.

So by default, what they do best is baserunning lololol

Clearly, all issues would be solved by a circular locker room.

Sorry, but I live in a world where due process is a thing.

They're going to lose 100+ games and this moron won't sacrifice a win today for possible future wins via development. This is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard a professional coach say.

So, there was due process, he was cleared by MLB, and you're upset about his intro song, something his teammate may have done on social media, and further claims by the person he was cleared of abusing? That's really bizarre.

I'd 100% bring Clevenger back.

It’s truly amazing that Grifol is being allowed to return.

This has been mostly our intact line-up that was supposed to be formidable... Wow is it bad... it's pretty remarkable how shitty the offense is. We are not missing anyone that wasn't supposed to be a threat... and we can't do s%*# on offense.

I’m scouring StubHub for tickets and parking passes. Looking for five tickets for something like $6-$20 each and a parking pass for around $16. Let’s see if good Cease shows up tomorrow and the Sox come alive so my son can experience a White Sox home run and winner. Let’s make it two in a row!

Winning ugly is sweet…I guess. Thankfully they won’t have this relief pitching next year. Nice game for Touki, Anderson and Jimenez. Lets go get a win tomorrow so my son can experience a White Sox winner in person!

I don't think i've ever seen a 1 page game thread in all my years here. Sox are officially irrelevant. Nobody cares.

Maybe he saw what happened when he left in Urena which I thought was a terrible move. I think any time you pull a pitcher who is doing good but has been inconsistent throughout their career, It's not a bad move. You're trying to build confidence in starting pitchers . The parade of late inning relievers who don't belong in the majors giving up runs and possibly losing the game means nothing. The Sox need starters, these bums in the BP can be found anywhere.

Fair enough. Missed that.

Paid a big price for keeping KW and Hahn in charge for so many years.

32 homers 72 RBIs go ahead bomb against Braves in must win game late line drive missile to RCF off Kirby Yates Exit Velocity 113 mph Distance 411 ft Launch Angle 17 deg DJ Jazzy Jeff Chisholm followed with GS

Don't forget Bassitt and Semien for one year of Shark. Sosa/Bell Todd Ritchie for Wells/Fogg/Lowe Nick Swisher trade

You know seeing how the Rick Haun replacement went, I see no reason the SOx could do any better if they ever fired Pedro. It may be worse that Pedro hard to imagine that Past that please fire Pedro

I think AJ's future is in the broadcasting booth. I'd love to have him be the White Sox TV color man. But the Sox would have to have a new owner that wouldn't fire him for being honest.

If you want to read extreme fantasy bullshit, see Merkin on mlb.com. I guess they are forced to write like that. I believe guys who have to put their work in print can't be as honest as those on the radio. I never believe in using a player's career in determining how they will be as coaches or execs. I think it's a damning thing for great players to be head coaches. It destroys their past among fans. Guys like Big Hurt should avoid this type of career. Sox fans are into the former player syndrome. Do you think someone like AJ would make a difference. I think not. He's too honest and hotheaded. Give him a A team first and then see how it goes.

The Sox will always be first in line for a player where other organizations have that ? of value. Face it the Sox best scouting is often the dumpster dive. Kenny and Hahn seemed to be good at that.

It is impossible to sign premier free agents in 2023 unless you go long term. Reinsdorf has proved he will not go long term. So there will be no repeat of 1971. In fact Reinsdorf has not signed a premier free agent since 1997 and even then he got out of the last two years because he didn't want to pay them. I don't know why other teams would trade someone of value for Anderson, Moncada, and Jimenez. Maybe there are other GMs dumber than Getz. That's what you have to hope for.

Except for a few games once this team gets behind in a game they just about quit.

The team has quit, starting with Anderson. Yes, it is hard to believe that Grifol is keeping his job. But, you have to remember, this is the White Sox we are talking about.

@South Side Hit Menyet how often do we read stop playing that over the hill vet and bring up the AAA kid? I'd rather see big energy or the legend instead of rushing guys up

Don't see many "open tryouts" beyond the catcher, second base and right field holes they had since the prior decade (save for McCann's time here). Sounds like a continuation plan of failure for bringing up players not ready and not developed by Chris Getz heading into this season (Colas, Gonzales, Sosa). Even if Jerry is willing to spend, which is doubtful with declining ticket sales for a third consecutive season, there aren't any good free agents willing to come here. As always, it will be relievers and old players signing their last contract with no other options (Dunn, La Roche, Keuchel, Grandal, Parrot, Lynn). Open Tryouts - 40 Man Roster Players under 2024 White Sox contract / control (ML Minimum - Arb 3) (Player & 2023 fWAR through 9/14) Position Players - 17 Under Control for 2024 Catchers: Carlos Perez -0.1 & Korey Lee -0.3 First Base: Andrew Vaughn 0.4 Second Base: Jose Rodriguez 0.0 vs. Lenyn Sosa -0.6 Third Base: Yoan Moncada 0.7 Shortstop: Tim Anderson -0.6 Left Field: Andrew Benintendi 0.2 Centerfield: Luis Robert 4.8 Rightfield: Oscar Colas -1.3 vs. Gavin Sheets -0.9 Designated Hitter: Eloy Jimenez 0.3 Infield Reserve: Zach Remillard 0.1 Outfield Reserve: Adam Haseley -0.2 vs. Trayce Thompson -0.3 vs. Jackson "Clint" Frasier -0.4 Reserve: Loser of one of the above "battles" Minor League Players: Bryan Ramos (AA 22 Years Old) Pitchers - 20 Under Control for 2024 Starters (6 - Threshold = 1 or more 2023 starts): Cease 3.0; Scholtens 0.4; Banks 0.0; Toussaint 0.0; Lambert -0.5; Kopech -0.9 Relievers (11): Santos 1.6; Bummer 0.7; Ramsey 0.3; Peralta 0.1; Patino 0.1; Padilla 0.0; Garcia 0.0; Navarro 0.0; Hendriks -0.1; Crochet -0.1; Cronin -0.2 Minor League Players (3 - Zero White Sox 2023 Appearances): Foster (29 - TJS); Martin (27 - AAA); Ramirez (29 - AAA). Note - Unrestricted (Chicago / Illinois Lockdowns) attendance in 2021 (late June - Year End) was higher / game than unrestricted 2022 season. 2023 is a decline from 2022, 2024 will likely be a decline from 2023 with the extinguishing of any hope after the Chris Getz / Pedro Grifol 2024 debacle.

Eh, it can also mean someone is willing to lie under oath. It’s not that rare. At this point, I almost want the Sox to bring him back to watch this site burn 😆

12 errors for Anderson another guy who has turned into a major disappointment on and off the field.

This is the exact same as Getz and Grifol bring winning attitude from Royals. More Sox BS.

JR claimed Getz is the only one in team history who taught the minor leaguers how to play the game correctly...or does it go all the way back to the Brooklyn Dodgers?

I think multiple things can be true. 1) Clevinger has been our best pitcher and he may be a scumbag. 2) I know that custody battles bring out the worst in many people. Two doctors were divorcing. The dad had to put his son on the stand to refute his wife's claims that the bruises in a picture were not caused by him but actually when she fell down the stairs. Putting a kid in that situation is awful and she was a child psychologist. 3) Not an attorney disclaimer. I don't think Clevinger was cleared. Criminally, they decided the evidence was unlikely to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't know if a civil suit has been filed where guilt is, I believe, established by a preponderance of the evidence which is a lower standard. I don't know MLB's standard. Innocent would be established if he went to trial and was judged not guilty or his accuser admitted lying. 4) Baseball, like the world, is filled with a wide variety of people. Many are unsavory, awful, and scumbags. Baseball usually cares more about performance than character. 5) Clevinger has been our best pitcher and he may be a scumbag.

And OJ was completely innocent of any wrongdoing, right? "Due process" doesn't mean if a dozen parents said their kids were molested at a day care, you are still obligated to drop your kids off there because they were never found guilty in court. I find it really weird and abhorrent when a dude digs in on this and chides others for not openly liking Mike Clevenger because of "due process". From testimony given under oath, I think the guy's a rage-addicted scumbag who uses his money to continually harass his victims, even when they're no longer partners.

We know their rookies aren't exactly setting the world on fire but what good do Andrus Shaw and Grandal do for the future by taking up playing time these last two weeks? Just seems completely obvious to everyone but Getz and Grifol. Then leaving our starter hung out to dry in the late innings? TLR was better than this.

Wait, what?!? I'm always amazed at how dudes dismiss a woman's word as insignificant or lies, even when given under oath. He was "cleared" in that his abuse and harassment didn't meet MLB's threshold for suspension. The intro song shows immaturity. Colas stalking her social media is weird, but considering the allegations, could certainly scare a person under legal siege from a multi-millionaire. The claims of abuse were made under oath, and there's nothing to them that make them sound made up. A normal human being should have a problem with Clevenger's alleged actions, regardless of his ERA. I can't fathom how you see a person's disgust with that abuse and harassment to be "bizarre". Too many guys are way too comfortable with how hard it is for a woman to be taken seriously about abuse.

It’s not amazing, it’s depressing. It would be amazing if we didn’t all know this was happening when it was announced, but nope we all pretty much knew the worst possible decisions would start rolling in one after another. nah, not amazing any longer

Might want to try the correct word usage next time you attempt to call out a poster while defending an abuser.

$5 million for a month is going to bust every budget in September Some teams will make exceptions and break the budget, but not for a guy with Clevingers recent injury history, and just missing a month and a half. Explain the Rangers trade for Chapman? Explain was Uriah was on the Dodgers roster after his 2019 problem. Explain Marcel Ozuna in the Braves line up? He punched his wife right in front of a cop.Explain Roberto Osuna being acquired by the Astros. Explain Domingo Germans continued employment with the Yankees. And those are guys that actually got suspended.

No. That’s the equivalent of a 30 million a year deal at that point most teams can’t add to their budget, plus he had just pitched one time the previous month and a half, I love how you ignore that to fit into your new claim that all teams except the White Sox give legit interviews to minorities and don’t employ scum. It’s weird you mention Gio. His payout for the month will be a third of Clevinger. But it’s stuff like this you throw out there when you are just wrong. And top prospect for Lynn. A 23 year old with a 5.00 ERA in AA? I think the Dodgers have better prospects than that.

The only reason Clevinger went unclaimed is because he was owed the buyout, and he had just returned from injury. If the deadline was today, and he didn’t have that mutual buyout, multiple teams would hold their noses and claim him. Since he wasn’t suspended or anything, a team will pay him. I hope it’s not the White Sox.

and Gavin Sheets

Seems like the Sox should have gotten a lot more than just Eder for Burger. Eder sounds like a total reclamation project with a high probability of never making the big leagues. Jake Burger is producing in real time right now and is a cheap cost controlled player.

If anyone is alive who played with Mickey Mantle they could tell tales about him that are legendary, Whitey Ford too.