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When you look at what Tampa got for Glasnow, while also unloading Margot’s salary, a lot of these proposed packages are underwhelming. Just move on from the Orioles at this point.

Duquette is same person who proposed Cease for Dominguez, Hampton, Warren and one more. If he says it’s a good package offered, that’s interesting.

Well, f*** me. Should I just show myself out?

My god when it's reported that the O's are out on Cease it'll be a glorious day.

I wish I could have my memory wiped after reading through this.

You know the old saying if you think the problem is with everyone else, it's probably with you.

I think they can make a really good deal with Westburg headlining Yes it is. Westburg is valuable. People are underrating him because he's graduated from prospect lists

I think I would prefer Hampton if it's either or with him and Jones. Fill in the rest of the package with Arias, and some combination of Lombard/Warren/Lalane and I'm good God I hope something happens soon because I hate this thread.

Skeptical about the O’s actually making a deal. Not skeptical that another aggressive GM eventually makes a deal.

This is your last warning. Stop starting fights about nothing here or you won't have to worry about it.

Yes, because you were planning on saving Michael Kopech for situations that happen maybe once in a season, so that is why everyone should have known you were talking about obscure corners of a rule, and not the part that happens 99.9% of the time. Please show me how many 4 and greater run saves were gotten last year to prove that it actually worth pretending it is valid or GTFOH with this waste of space.

Trying to catch this mouse in my kitchen has been vastly more entertaining than reading the same word salad that fills this thread lately.

Read that as Scott Barlow and laughed at yet another Royal. Realized my mistake and that it was Joe Barlow, retracted my laugh, then saw he *also* pitched for the Royals, repeat. I have nothing else to contribute.

Stroud looks to be the real deal. Jury is still very much out on Chase Young. The odds seem solid that one of Williams/Maye will be a great QB. The Bears have had the chance to select all 4 of them, and if they come away drafting 0 of them, because they had Justin Fields on their roster...that's unforgivable.

too late. we accepted

The international signing period opens on Monday. I wrote a preview for FutureSox here: https://www.futuresox.net/2024/01/11/2024-white-sox-international-signing/

Every dude we sign this off-season my response is the same: “who?” Shows what I know.

Most humans have 2 or more arms. True statement.

It’s the worst thread I can remember. The ironic thing is I’ve never seen a thread where more Sox fans have teamed together.

So, how many 4 run saves were there last year?

While debating if wins means a starting pitcher is better than another

There it is. Another why can't you read post.

We have ourselves a deal

Acquiring bodies to fill a team. Reminds me of a company softball team adding guys at a late date.

I think this is wayyy too much in return.

Most recently a Royal!

It's not unrealistic. I still think it's between the Yanks and Dodgers. Don't believe their media mouthpieces. They're both under a ton of pressure to win this year. One of them will step up and make the deal happen.

I actually wouldn't be shocked if, after all the dust settles, Nastrini + Leasure > Quero + Bush. I love me some Quero, but it's not a super high ceiling and Bush has been pretty bad. Nastrini and Leasure will debut this year and Nastrini probably has the highest ceiling of the 4. I get that the deal also contained Kelly, but that is a very good return for a guy leading the league in HR allowed.

Bauer started off slow, got sent to the minors, then performed pretty well the rest of the season. For context, his teammate was Imanaga Shota and they both performed similarly but Imanaga is 2 years younger. Imanaga had a tick higher ERA but lower WHIP and I would assume FIP but I can't find that calculation and don't know what constant they would use for NPB. Imanaga had an absurd 7.5 K to BB ratio while Bauer had a still good 4.6. Imanaga is projected, I think, to give up a lot of homers and his HR rate wasn't great last season, 1.0 HR/9 in a league that doesn't hit a ton of homers and he gave up 3 more than Bauer in 3 more innings pitched (18 vs 15). Bauer was an above average starter in NPB, but I expected more out of him. He didn't dominate by any stretch of the imagination. So even if Bauer wasn't a clubhouse distraction and an abuser, his market value is probably lower than the $13.25mil AAV Imanaga is being paid and is, likely at best, a 4th starter, probably worse than Clevinger at this point and no team is looking to sign Clevinger it would appear. So I bet he could pitch effectively in the MLB, but not at a very high level, so I don't see why any team would take on his baggage and still pending sexual assault case in Arizona. I think if Bauer tried in any way to seek atonement or to grow up finally at age 32, I might expect a team to sign him. But he's still the same manchild he's always been and a sexual deviant and not nearly talented enough anymore to make up for it. I wouldn't trust the rumor about the Yankees signing him, I think it's a distraction to force the Sox's hand on a Cease trade or lower Snell's value.

That hot minute they went dormant was glorious...

What drives me nuts is that they should have been stocking the beer league team the last 2 seasons. They had no depth and imagined they were competing, they needed these guys more then!

The funny thing is I am trying to find the answer myself, and so far the only thing I can find is that it happened 10 times between 1980 and 2012.

What does Men In Black have to do with this?

Yep..and the point was that closers are often not in high leverage situations and a save that is 3 runs or more isn’t high leverage. The or more part is largely irrelevant but it’s still the case. It’s not my fault there are members of this site who don’t know basic MlB rules that decided to focus on that.

Cool. Thanks for visiting and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Cool. Feel free to talk it amongst your buddies somewhere else.

I'm not a fan of salad.

I think you’re the one that needs to look up the prerequisites for how one earns a save…

No clue why they are still posting here. We’ve heard and discussed their 2 cents. Time to go.

It is exactly that.

He’s only making like $3 million, he’s not a salary dump. Or at least I’d keep him and hope he turns it around instead of just dumping him for nothing.

1, 8, 9 would be dreaming. Among other things, it may allow you to take a top 3 receiver, but at 11, 12, 13 are the Vikings, Broncos and Raiders. All would be prime trade up candidates to get QB3 or QB4. Trade back, get additional picks, and get what is still possibly strong edge territory or beef up that oline with a JC latham. BUT, I don't think it happens. I think pittsburgh is much more likely to give up a first than the falcons.

We can take back Kopech if that helps.

Well he's not on prospect lists anymore so there's no way he can be any good

Orioles fans are reaching Yankee fan levels of wanting good players in exchange for their garbage.

Orioles just need to part with one of Cowser/Kjerstad, Westburg, and one of McDermott/Povich so this can get done already.

That jumped out to me as well.

I’m not really interested in spending multiple picks at this point to move up a few spots. The Bears don’t have a lot of picks in this draft and we are in no position to be spending them from this draft or next

His "cancer" was turning from a 4-5 WAR player into a .5-1.5 WAR player. Is he a "good" club house guy? Probably not, but in a winning team, he's just another cog.

If stretching him out includes him spending 6 or so weeks in the minors, I’m all for it. Gladly extend that control a year on a guy who has been criminally mishandled.