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They have a 72% chance of losing when they’re down 0 with 9 innings to play.

Yeah he does

I think that is kind of the point though. Did we really need to see five minutes of Brad Keller to know that he sucks? Did we really need to see Rafael Ortega hit like Martin Maldonado to know he sucks? If we are going to use sorry vets to hold places until the kids are ready, do it. Let them suck. But then two seconds later we are churning kids for a start or two like they are going to come up and be stars right away. If we are going to roster kids, let them play and learn on the job by occasionally getting their asses kicked. Either let them learn, or protect them. This thing of being all over the place isn't helping anyone.

He did it!

Need to see more than a month and a half sample size. That Ramos sample is even smaller.

Oscar Colas got 1 AB. What could management possibly have learned from that one AB that gave them the knowledge he wasn't ready? Conversely if they already knew he wasn't ready, why did they recall him in the first place? Nastrini got 8 innings in two appearances. Canon got 13 innings in 3 appearances. Berroa got one appearance. What exactly are they learning that quickly, that wasn't apparent before they were called up, but they learned in once on the mound or at the plate? If they aren't ready, don't recall them, use these shitty placeholders. If you are going to recall them, give them some time. That's why it looks like lurching from plan to plan. Most importantly quit giving guys away so you can get one AB or one appearance from someone.

I don’t really care about the outcome. The team is obviously awful. but…there’s no real reason to watch. It’s just bad baseball played by guys that should be bench players. I can’t fucking wait for new ownership.

I can’t believe he let Benintendi face a LHP. Fire this fool

Remember when the dumbass GM said he’d have a good defensive team behind his pitchers? Getz really should be fired

Wait, he’s not going to get a top 100 prospect?

Does Fedde look like Matt Walsh to anyone else?

Lee more hits in 1 PA than Martin will have all week.

Dude please stop. Korey Lee has 179 MLB at bats. Crochet has made 10 starts. Ramos has 32 MLB at bats. I am not dismissing the minor league system, but you can't go into an argument saying the rebuild won't take 5 years and your support to that is 9-10 prospects and a bunch of TBD's. If we learned anything from the rebuild we just did, these guys are not all going to work out. So I go back to the point I was making, this is going to take 4-5 years to rebuild. Minimum.

Why hasn't Fletcher played yet. What the f*** is Grifol doing. They can't fire his dumb ass soon enough.

I know Jim Bowden is frequently off-base but he suggested one "top prospect" (I'm assuming that means Top 100), plus one Top 10 (in a system) plus a few Top 30s (in a system). I know Robert's salaries are gonna start escalating but that would be a garbage return either way. Need to have 3 Top 100s.

Those two things aren't really related. He clearly is just throwing s%*# at the wall in hopes it sticks. Now if you consider that "panic" OK, if you consider it "needed roster churn" OK, but it's pretty obvious there's not some holistic plan that centers around anything more than "just don't set the all time loss record". And of course if finding a decent journeyman with a couple arb years left is part of that plan, great, but again, it's really just trying things to try things, which will only ever be acceptable this season and is not anything to build a GM resume on going forward.

They shouldn't be giving away any of them for guys who aren't going to be here in a year.

I am going to say this much. One minute you literally pulled out the transaction meter as a measure of how the Sox are just like other teams, and then when those transactions were dove into, then you instantly disowned it because it went against your narrative.

I can easily see the team losing 10 straight over the rest of the week. It is now at four...and counting.

It can’t get here soon enough, I despise JR and what he has done to our franchise.

back on a historical pace! Currently on pace for 47-115

Probably worse but last year was more unlikable

Last year was bad, but this feels worse.

This is easily the least likeable and watchable team I can remember. Watching them feels like a chore.

lmao, what does this even mean? Your "standards" have nothing to do with what the team looks like on the field. Most of us are looking at the roster and seeing the COMPLETE lack of talent in the system short term. It isn't that hard to not see this team being decent for a number of years. Knowing their history, even if they do go out and sign guys, they are going to play in the 3rd tier market anyways, which isn't going to move the needle enough to matter going forward. I really hope you aren't expecting this team to be real players for top free agents as a condition of being good soon.

Im alarmed at how off base your perception of this message board is.

First of all, we're starting from a point where neither of us know anything about the inner workings of the Sox' FO, or Getz's thoughts. With that in mind, I say that they wanted to send Fletcher down to keep him getting reps and more importantly, away from the record setting parent club. They don't think Colas is ready for a full time audition, yet (the very type of decision making you're calling for), so they activated Ortega. The fact that they let Horn go means, to me, that they were done with Thompson, and took a flyer on Horn for their troubles. Yes, they knew about Horn. Maybe they tried to sneak him through waivers, or Bannister (who didn't have deep, previous knowledge of Horn) cut bait on him. This is all a lot of thought, already, for a couple of guys who will get an MLB.com write-up in about 5 years about how they persevered through 5 organizations, and now, they're finally having some success as a long man for a last place club. I don't see how having a plan, seeing the disastrous consequences of that plan playing out, then trying to adjust on the fly is panicking, or dumping one's plan. Seeing as they had zero (0) rotation pieces entering this season, and imagining the restraints on payroll Getz was dealt, he and Bannister worked out a plan to identify guys who are rehabbing, or trying to rediscover recent success, put a more competent defense behind them, give them a good game-calling catcher, and run with that, giving the prospects more time to develop. They're still running with Crochet, Fedde, and Flexen. Soroka got the Flexen treatment. Clevinger and Keller are innings. They tried Nastrini and Cannon, maybe even to discover what non-prospect hitters at AAA couldn't expose, and now they're working on their games. I don't see this as some huge divergence. If they traded Nastrini and Cannon for guys who could cover 5+ innings, that would be panic. Add to that, 3 starters went down with injury, and another 5 started out in extended catastrophic slump. I think if Chris Getz could predict batting slumps and injuries, he wouldn't be a GM. He'd be sitting on a mountain in Tibet, giving life advice to those who could reach him.

So Ortega HAD to be on the roster RIGHT at that moment, even though we didn't need to because we already had other OFs on the roster by which we could still send down Fletcher AND keep Bailey Horn, for what reason exactly then? If we weren't going to learn about him, if we weren't going to show him off for a trade, what exactly did he achieve then, other than churning another roster spot for no reason other than churning another roster spot? Even if you want to give Getz the benefit of the doubt on half of that Thompson trade to say he had some kind of insider knowledge on Thompson, how awful was the trade if the guy he got was cut that quickly? What does it mean for their evaluation process to arrive at Bailey Horn in the first place that he was bad enough and unsalvagable enough to dump that in about a month's worth of minor league work? Either their evaluation process is flawed, or their coaching is flawed. They already knew the kids character as they drafted Horn and had him in the system under Getz leadership of the MiLB system anyway. Remember, if they came into the season with a plan, but quickly yeeted the plan as soon as the team started badly, that is the very definition of panic moves. If they believed in their plans, their players, their evaluations, their player development etc, they wouldn't be surfing through all of these random guys for an AB, an appearance, or a week or two on the active roster just be sent out of the system. They would have just continued with what they were doing knowing the long term was right.

Let me clarify, the reason I think this is going to take 4-5 years is because there are no young building blocks on this team today outside of Robert and its debatable about Crochet, but lets just include him anyways. So we have a superstar CFer (When hes actually on the field) and a #2/3 starting pitcher. Every other position on this roster will need to be filled with either a FA or a prospect. We already know they are not going to be in the bidding for the impact free agents. And we already know that not all prospects work out. So you tell me, how long you think its going to take to fill out 24 roster spots with players that will have this team competing again? Keeping in mind that Robert is likely to be traded within the next year and Crochet, if ascending to a front of the rotation pitcher, will most likely meet the same fate.

I'm with the poster who wrote Keller had a face he wanted to punch.

Julks should be in LF

Exactly why they aren't moving. Still a top 15 valued team despite 2 decades of neglect. Path to top 10 with the right ownership. Sleeping giant fanbase. Sorry, this team's value isn't increasing in Nashville or Portland.

Shockingly, all the ex-Royals, despite playing for their careers, have not worked out.

Guys who will be on the team or coming up in the next year and a half C Lee & Quero LF Benitendi CF Robert 3B Ramos SS Montgomery RF TBD 2B TBD 1B TBD DH TBD SP Crochet/Thorpe/Nastrini/Cannon/Iriarte/Eder/Bush/Adams Then you have whoever we get at the deadline for Fedde, Kopech, Flexen, Brebbia, Eloy, Vaugn, Sheets, etc. Then any FA signings and trades in the offseason. Don't see how its a 5 year rebuild.

Come on Lip. You know who the owner is. You know the budget was cut tremendously this year. You heard Reinsdorf say the Sox cannot compete at their current location. Use your head. Getz is a pawn in whatever game Reinsdorf is playing. He's got nothing to work with except the decent amount of talent that's in AA right now. His big acquisition was Fedde, a guy no one else of the other teams thought highly enough of to outbid the Sox even though most teams need starting pitching. All Fedde has to do is not implode for 2 more months. We'll see what type of talent he gets and the level in the system it goes to. Same thing with Pham. Cease brought in 3 prospects that slotted in our top 10 and he rolled the dice that Wilson might fetch a better prospect than a 4th prospect the Padres might've been offering. Every pitcher after Fedde was the reason he hired Bannister as are any yet to be acquired. When all you can do is scrounge among players that every other team rejected you can thank Reinsdorf for that. There's been no solid evidence that Getz has done much wrong. He hasn't been on the job long enough yet to decide that all the roster churning he's doing will make any difference. He knows they are at a minimum looking 4 or 5 years down the road. And even then who knows where thing will stand with the franchise . All we can do is hope he brings in more talent and that it develops enough to move the needle going forward with whatever JR has up his sleeve. I don't know if Getz will be any better or worse than any other pawn JR hired to GM the team but I do know that JR doesn't pay for talent because they refuse to operate under the constraints JR puts on them. When was the last time a JR hire was considered among the very best in any part of the organization ? Now imagine the best people at multiple key levels of the organization instead of just one position without Reinsdorf's short sighted approach on how to be a competitive winning organization .

^THIS Fans needs to stop deluding themselves into the idea that having the Sox move won't be that bad because MLB will quickly give Chicago an expansion team. If the Sox did move, this is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! The fact that Chicago has 2 teams is a relic of a bygone era where a) several cities had 2 teams (Boston, Philly, St. Louis) and b) Chicago was the 2nd largest city in the US - larger than L.A. Chicago is no longer a 2-team city for any of the major sports leagues. The only 2-teams cities left are NY and LA which each have a metro area population something like double the size of Chicago's . And for anyone clinging to the idea that MLB will want an "American League" team in Chicago, that distinction has become basically meaningless. The AL and NL are no longer unique. Everyone has the DH and every team plays every other team every year. Don't be surprised if MLB pushes radical realignment at some point that will totally kill off the AL and NL for all intents and purposes. This is much, much, much, much more likely to happen than Chicago being awarded a 2nd MLB team via expansion to maintain an "AL" presence here.

Well, we let Martin Maldonado hit like Martin Maldonado, and we don't seem to grasp that he sucks, so yes.

I think it's just you.

They didn't seem prepared against the Yankees.

The panic narrative is born by lurching from plan to plan. I would understand a team full of awful placeholder vets to protect the kids. I would also understand a team full of struggling kids. What I don't understand is going back and forth between the two in very short periods of time, and losing rostered prospects in order to do it.

Once the kids start coming up in the second half of this year and next year and Getz is still trying to add guys like Ragael Ortega (when there are prospects being blocked), I'll be with you guys. I don't see downside right now in seeing if you can get lucky. If not, what does it cost the team? I'd much rather watch Nastrini and the others than guys like Keller. I think that's coming fairly soon. I also think if he brought up Iriarte and Eder and Bush and Adams right now, we'd hear a lot more of "Getz is panicking" type posts. Its still only May.

I was simply stating I think it would be wise to trade him vs keep him. I get your "go out on a limb" sarcasm...the Sox have, more than once, made dumb trades for the wrong price.

I think the question is why waste playing time on garbage like Keller in the first place? At some point we have to start committing innings to our young starters. The one strength this system has is SP prospects in the upper minors. We’re going to have like seven prospects competing for like three or four rotation spots next year in Nastrini, Cannon, Thorpe, Iriarte, Eder, Bush, & Adams. Why not start giving them some of these starts so evaluations can begin? There is going to be a learning curve at the major league level and adaption will take time. Let’s see what Nastrini has to offer at minimum so we can get a pretty good sense if he has be a long-term rotation stalwart or more of a bullpen guy. No need to cram that initial evaluation into a two month post deadline period because we’re hoping to snag a minor league relief prospect for crap like Keller.

I think my big gripe with our era of "give our entire bonus pool to a single Cuban player" is how little thought went into what may happen in development when we have these guys spend 2 years in their late teens/early 20s missing out on any real baseball so that we could stash them and help them with their tax burden. It worked out with Robert, thank goodness, who also had the most to gain. But Colas/Cespedes/Norge Vera...I think we even gave the DR treatment to Yolbert. They were inactive for years. Do we really think that set us up better than signing 10-12 players that were younger? One thing that saving some of their tax burden would do is allow more of their signing bonus to flow thru to some handlers. I'm sure everything was above board with the sox main international scout.

Rushing prospects is a fake problem. They didn't rush prospects during Hahn either, and this board always wants to promote prospects after one good month. We have not, however, shown any ability to create an organizational approach at the plate. And Colson went from coming in, being patient, finding walks, to now watching strikes and not hitting enough for contact. Chris Getz believes they will figure this out on their own by playing baseball games. Do the orioles believe that?

Thanks for checking in on the Jeeps. Those are bad boys are in tip top shape. Sometimes thinking about those cars is like a full time job. I spend so much time with the cars, and then hours and hours reading this message board, I dont have time to do my other job! Wonder if anyone else feels that way, or if thats just me! But back to the thread at hand, anyone know who does the advance work for the sox these days? Just wanna show them some love!

The Sox have been "unlucky" with injuries for going on 3+ years now. At some point, it goes beyond the training/medical staff and into the psychological with some of these situations. And you're never going to see any team in MLB history in last place (overall) at nearly the 1/3rd pole of the season described as "proactive" vs. reactive. They are being reactive simply because the measures they'd adopted to "hold down the fort" during the first half of the season (while buying time for the youngsters) simply weren't good enough.

Chris Getz trying not to lose 120 games:

I'm starting to wonder if Wetherholt is in play at 5.

They got paid before the injury prone label.