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I think Fedde has made a clear case that whatever changes he has made in Korea have translated to the US, and he is finally living up to his first round grade. if you include his Korean performance as a part of his step forward, that makes two years of this, so you can feel comfortable of being beyond the "fluke" stage. His peripherals show maybe a half run worse than he has been so far, but going from 3.00 to 3.50 era isn't going to be a HUGE difference in the trade market. All things considered, I think the asking price of a solid top 100, plus another decent piece fits the bill.

I would rather spend money framing Benintendi into getting convicted for a DUI where the judge was bribed into forcing him to coach a rag tag group of little leaguers so that he gains perspective and finds a new lease on life before I would water down the return for our few valuable assets.

No, this team needs to rebuild with the returns for Crochet, Robert and Fedde. I don’t care about Benintendi on the books the next few years, as they’re going to be god awful anyways.

Yeah, I don't know why this whitewashing of TLR is happening by a couple of people, but I am going to offer my version of community notes here: -I don't know why people are latching on to the "DUI" thing as somehow being a bad thing to have a lack of respect for a person because of. Yes, I am fully OK with thinking less of someone who has all of the privilege and wealth that a man needs and yet somehow twice be caught endangering the lives of other people (and himself) with the full knowledge that he probably did this dozens of times besides being caught twice. The average is thought to be somewhere around 80 times before being caught. All while fully being able to afford a freaking uber/taxi/limo home at worst. Even while caught, the man tried playing the "don't you know who I am" card. -He also has the stigma of being accused of racism by former players, coming in to lead a team full of minorities. It was definitely worth questioning if that history would be a fit with a young and very much non-TLR looking team. -Even besides his less than glowing off of the field record, the man had been outside of a baseball dugout for over a decade, and was rightfully being questioned over how he would be able to handle how much the game had changed since he left. -If you want to look at his interim front office work, since he left the dugout, it centered around two teams that took large steps backwards during his tenure with them. So while a couple seem to feel this was only about his DUIs, that is 100% not true. There were a ton of legitimate reason being given as to why hiring Tony was an awful idea, and nothing that happened during this time here seemed to do anything to disprove that. Tony inherited an ascending playoff team, and it fell backwards pretty significantly during his time here. He also publicly hung his own player out to dry and ignored his own coaches trying to tell him rules updates, before quietly quitting for a reason that still hasn't been fully explained to the general public, among some of the public controversies that surrounded his time here.

Even before the 2nd DUI was made public (which had been kept quiet) no one wanted to hire him.

Don't you remember when we got rid of Grandal and it fixed everything? Look how a real catcher has turned around our pitching.

So what exactly are the Sox going to be able to do with $35 million on the books next year, that they couldn't do with $50 million on the books?

Only 40 more losses to 100! Don't stop now boys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've known Tony since 1982, interviewed him for the first time opening night in Texas in 1983. He was one of the sharpest baseball minds I've ever been around, literally a step ahead of the opposition most of the time. One example was moving a struggling Carlton Fisk up to the #2 position in the batting order in 1983. Who would think of moving a power hitter into a bat-control spot in the lineup? But... The man was off the field for a decade, he had personal issues and just the fact that it was clear JR over ruled his front office and that was well known, poisoned the hire. It was a bad mistake and the franchise took the brunt of it.

Greg, in your mythical world of baseball, is every good Sox player signed to a lifetime contract like the MLB prior to free agency? You have to factor in years of control in on every player, where the Sox are as a team and if they can compete (they can’t yet), as well as an owner that doesn’t like paying a premium to starting pitchers that are hitting free agency. Your ideas would get the Sox to maybe be a .500 team and nothing better. What does that achieve?

he was a problem, and continues to be...He destroyed the D Backs. Same thing is happening here, the problem is we have an owner that can't really change things. Tony should retire, and drink wine in his patio. I can tell you, I wanted Tony fired 40 years ago. Fans were not unhappy when Hawk pulled the trigger.

The DUI had little to do with it, although it certainly didn’t help. It was the fact that we were the destination for a manager. We could have had our pick of basically anyone, instead we went with a decrepit old prick who hadn’t managed in years. It was, at least symbolically, the first step into the gutter from that potential success we were looking forward to.

We are going to go hog wild on the reliever market next year, I'm sure of it.

Oh....didn't realize the importance of this game. We're going for #60!

Let's see if the boys can eek out a win tonight and start their climb back to relevance!

Forum Decorum be damned, WestEddy just going to start every game thread the rest of the season! Maybe we should change the rule. Instead of having to win you get to keep going as long as the Sox aren't shutout

No. I want quality, not quantity.

Everything started going wrong under his watch. He inherited a playoff team, and turned it into a .500 team while he was here. Those trends just continued after he left.

GIVE ME 26 ECKSTEINS OR GIVE ME DEATH! JR, probably.

No, but he was a symbol of the problem. The Sox hired a crony when they should have done an extensive search for a manager. La Russa should have had the sense not to take the job. It would have helped if he stayed awake in the dugout.

TLR gets so much undeserved s%*# on this board. He deserved to be fired but was never the real problem.

Which is never happening as long as JR has anything connection to this org…

The way you keep pushing this makes me believe this is actually something that is being strongly considered. And to that, I say: f*** Jerry Reinsdorf.

But JR still pays bills which doesn’t include signing top free agents and building an excellent farm system. The only housecleaning which will work is new ownership.

If the return for Crochet was reduced for taking the Benny contract, Chris Getz should be fired for making that theoretical deal.

That's when I know I am not wrong. It's when I agree with you that I reexamine my position to see if it is indeed wrong.

Those would not be bad deals for the Sox. Personally, I think Basallo’s bat is pretty far ahead of his glove and that he ends up at 1b. But a lot of good gets in those packages.

They better be worth something. The Brewers just acquired our old friend and are apparently throwing him into their major league rotation.

Greg, you’re a good dude, but you have to be in the tiniest minority of Sox fans that liked that move. I cannot think of a single person I talked to that was happy about it.

Nah, I blame them all.

The problem is, most teams (likely) don't have 6-7 in their top 10 that should be worth those two. Better to split them up.

MLBTR chat today: https://live.jotcast.com/chat/chat-with-mlbtrs-steve-adams-6-25-24-18681.html

Ideally, Burns and Smith go top 4.

I don't think that's what @Tnetennba meant.

I think Phillies or Mariners are easily the two best fits for Robert and have front offices that are typically aggressive.

There's no way they set the MLB record. The team record however, really is going to depend on who gets shipped out of here over the next month. The post trade deadline limp to the finish is going to be brutal.

You can blame the White Sox for a lot of things - but Michael Kopech being whatever the hell he is is not one of them.

Ok, if you could convince me that with the extra $15 million a season it would be the difference between getting Juan Soto or not, I might listen, but we all know that we aren't going to the top of the FA market anyway, so what exactly are we being threatened with? No more C and D tier free agents? Aw shucks.

Paying another team to take Benintendi’s dead weight off their hands is the dumbest possible use of trade value, which is of course why we are fearful it could happen. It would be so very White Sox to half-ass another rebuild chasing quick fixes with money freed up through burning your most valuable trade chips.

The one thing JR could do, and it wouldn't cost him any money with the IRS, is give up his control. It ain't working. Time for new blood, and a new way to do business.

We call that the Jim Cramer Effect, shorting all of Cramer's stock advice.

yup. While Beni is completely worthless... 15 million isn't some albatross of a contract that should stop you from doing anything over the next 3 years.

The team has really gone to hell since he left the dugout and stepped into that new role. I would love to have Tony advising me. Anything he thought was a good idea I would immediately cross off except bring back an analytics person.

If you don't agree after seeing these two posters agreeing on this,. . . .

You make no sense and having said that, I will no longer respond to your chiding, juvenile, asinine posts.

Skepticism is fine, but there was never a hard and fast rule that he had some specific innings limit. That was invented. Also fairy dust are these ideas that going to the bullpen can save his arm. It would probably make things riskier as you get really amped up to throw as hard as you can when pitching in relief. i’ve wanted him to start since the day that drafted him. I certainly didn’t know he would be a good starter. But the reward is so much greater than the downside that it’s worth the risk.

Days without being shutout: 0

Tony might be a drunk, but not drunk enough to want to get any blame for this dumpster fire

Boy, that's a whole article for TLR to dispel the notion that he's a decision maker. Thou dost protest too much?

“and no one cared to listen.” ?