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The biggest problem with all his manufactured excitement is he knows very little about the White Sox. I bet before he interviewed for the job, he couldn’t name 5 guys on the roster. Now he’s supposedly a Bill Veeck expert, but last year he didn’t know how to pronounce his name. It really make all his exuberance seem even more insincere.

See, I don't think anything John does is genuine, and that is probably why it bothers me. Both Hawk and Jason were genuine guys in their style. John is just loud to be loud, even when the situation doesn't call for it. Each sport has it's own pace and tempo, and baseball is very rarely a game that should see PBP delivered at a 10. To me it sounds like a guy who doesn't understand the game. I find the most cookie cutter thing about him, is that he really doesn't have anything new or interesting to say, only what he is being fed to say. For as bad as Hawk got by the end, he always had his very own unique style and path. Schiff is just the dude in the crowd who cheers loudly to be noticed, but doesn't actually offer anything of his own.

Wasn't he JUST criticizing the White Sox for not giving him away?

Very well said.

Good. Dude needs a reset at the very least.

I’m shocked that people are actually monitoring the win/loss record for a rebuilding team, it’s irrelevant. The Sox winning their way out of the top 3 of the draft would be catastrophic.

What do I want? To call the game, and let the excitement happen at genuinely exciting things. There is definitely nuance to PBP.

Nobody disagrees with that. The issue is that he tries to generate excitement that isn’t there. It just feels so unnatural. An announcer should match and deliver the on-field product, not get in its way. When Schriff goes over the top, it feels manufactured and unnatural in a distracting way.

You really took the scissors to that argument.

Brodie Brazil doesn’t know s%*# about any of this. Why is this even being discussed anymore ffs

The Avi posts were classic but this is the all-timer

That's what veterans bring....consistency

Someone make a thread "pushing towards 120+ losses" before tmr's game. Please and ty.

But he can hit, gotta find a position.

Who knows? If Robert stays hot for the rest of the season and ends up with an .800+ OPS, 20 HR, and 40 SB, I wouldn’t be surprised if a contender is willing to trade for him in the offseason. 1-year at $22 million or 2-years at $40 million isn’t a bad deal for a 28-year old potential All-Star CF. You aren’t going to be able to sign a player like that for that kind of minimal contract length and money in free agency.

They might have to send him to Bannister school in Arizona. Right now, he doesn't have a prayer against lefties.

He still announces like he's fighting to convince someone of something instead of just telling the story of what's actually happening in front of him. Just listen to John Rooney for a week or two doing Cardinals games and the difference is night and day, or listen to some John Miller Giants broadcasts. You don't see all the favoritism or closeness towards certain players that Schiffren buddies up to like Pham last year or Miguel Vargas swing changes crap when he's under .230. Or rooting for Robert now like he's Scott Boras himself. Sosa as well. Just be more objective about the players as well as the various strengths and weaknesses of the team overall. Don't blow smoke up our asses. We can this year's team is "different" without being hammered over the head with it every single time there is a late but failed comeback. John really needs to do some research on let's say the 2013 Royals to see what it really looks like when a legit team is coming around in the second half of a season. This team is STILL years away without significant free agent spending. Colson Hagen and Schultz all feel quite volatile in their career outcomes. Volatile as hell, I would even argue. Without a single star player, they're not going anywhere, even in the lowly AL Central.

He just put up 1 fWAR in about a month of action. Dude is stupidly talented when his mind is right and he's healthy. I see he's mostly cut out those crap half swings he was doing most of the last calendar year. He still needs to work on his LA but just being a productive regular again is nice.

Its not a given that keeping him will pay off. That still has long odds. He has to stay healthy,hit and keep hitting. A few more dingers would certainty help. He's not going to keep hitting near . 400. There is room for criticism and this tweet where he seems to be just being factual. You could do what Nightengale does better than he does if you had sources.

He's a perfectly cromulent starting 2B. If we had 8 more positions covered as well we wouldn't be losing 100+ games again.

You use an option when you send someone to the minors period, even if it is to start a season. Ramos has already had his option for this year activated.

Correct. This is his last option year. He can be sent down something like up to 5 times per option year. Next season, he is out of options and has to be rostered on the 26-man all season, or DFAed. Bryan Ramos is in the same position, so I'd think they would have called him up instead of Amaya.

The other side of the Dodgers move is even worse in my opinion. 1,800 or so Mexican-American families were forcibly removed from Chavez Ravine to build the stadium. The City used eminent domain and claimed they would be building public housing on the site before deciding public housing was something communists do (FDR is history's most famous communist I guess, but this was the height of the Red Scare), and gave it to a rich guy instead. In an era of 'housing covenants', Chavez Ravine was one of the few places where non-whites were actually allowed to live in Los Angeles. City of LA was legally able to eminent domain the land for well below market value because it was deemed 'blighted' (nonsense term but initially well-intended) and the municipality received federal funds to purchase the land for the purpose of public housing. The plan was pretty ambitious and would have added 3,600 units of housing Obviously that didn't happen. Public housing in LA never happened. Part of the reason it's such an expensive place to live and the poor are now being relegated to San Bernandino or Texas. Poulson was elected mayor with some rigorous campaigning from the "Citizens Against Socialist Housing" and canceled the 'Elysian Park Heights' housing project. The federal government told them that the land must still be used for "public use" and that's how they got the Dodgers, by being subsidized by a federal program designed to house the poor, in this case poor people of color. Everything the Dodgers baseball team was doing to improve the sport by signing Jackie and Campy, in my view, is unfortunately contradicted by the Dodger Stadium saga. Anyway, the conservatives of the time decided that baseball was of "public use", I think it is of "public use", so why do we let billionaires administer it instead of the citizens in a democracy?

This must be your first time in a sin city sox thread

LOL! I don't understand all the criticism for John. He might not be perfect, but he’s not just another cookie-cutter play-by-play guy like so many others. I'll take someone with genuine passion and excitement over a generic announcer any day. In fact, after listening to home team broadcasts from every team over the last three years, I can tell you there are plenty of terrible announcers out there. Personally, I find Boog and Deshais to be pretty bad. Ultimately, I'm tired of the cookie-cutter approach and prefer an announcer who brings some unique energy to the broadcast.

All I'm saying is treating two good very young catchers who are defensively and offensively coherent and treating it as a bad thing is something only one person I think I could fathom to look at it as a bad thing.

Can I have a do over ? 😛

This isn’t as fun as when they were winning all those games and scoring all those runs

They sucked me back in again...and this week, they just suck again.

It looks like I need a temporary bandwagon to jump on - maybe the Brewers Pitching is really starting to suck. It wasn't great before but now games are over by the 3rd inning

This ump has been awful both ways.

Getting let down by defensive positioning.

They are also missing two guys who were playing pretty well with Meidroth and Vargas. It is what it is. They are still a bad team that's showing promising signs.

Can we bury the .500 thread once the streak reaches five losses in a row?? CLE is smelling blood in the water and could pass the Yankees in the WC race over the weekend.

Can’t wait for the Sox to score 2 meaningless runs late and lose 8-2 so Schriffen can tell us this team is different than last year.

It's 5-0 now. This inning is a scoreless inning if the manager doesn't play his infield in in the first inning with no score.

Looks like we’re back the pre-AllStar Sox.

Infield in in the 1st inning? Eh.

So what exactly would you say that ya do here? I AM A GDAMNED DEFENSIVE SPECIALIST!!!

So, probably Euclid/Nw Highway/Wilke expansion, probably an entirely rebuilt Euclid/53 ramp, and train stops expansion. if the bears truly aren’t asking for state money for the stadium then this should probably get passed pretty quickly

The gray road uniforms have Chicago on them written in script.

No way. The Sox hat is perfect. The Sox logo is perfect. Just because our team has been an embarrassment has nothing to do with our hat and perfect jerseys. Changing the beautiful Sox logo would be the most ridiculous decision in Chicago sports history. That'd be like asking the Cubs to completely switch their logo. The Sox logo and uniform is in the top two in baseball with the Yankees. I do realize the Sox abandoned it with the block lettering Sox years ago when our unis looked like the Astros. But cmon. Don't mess with the traditional Sox uni.

White Sox are now on the order of the Bulls and Cubs in terms of brand equity, given their logo's extensive presence in the hip hop community. It's a classic brand you don't touch.

The only rebrand necessary is of the org and it’s reputation, which is more rehabilitation than anything. The current uniforms are perfect, with the only needed tweak being the return of the diamond sock. Add a 1959 or 1917 Sunday alternate and we are golden.

i say this with zero sense of humor, but if we changed our logo there is a chance the world would..like...totally forget who we are

Gross, no.

Yeah, the odds of the rebrand being as good as or better than what they have now are really low.

That’s Bob Shaw, went 18-6 with the 1959 AL Champions, was the starting pitcher in game 2 of the WS which I attended. I’d love it if they went back to these uniforms.