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I'll little dick your woman...and she will like it. Dont tell a fan what emotions they can't feel. That is the definition of an asshole.

You're an embarrassment. This is the most little dicked thing I've ever heard. The White Sox are more important to this city than Manny Machado or Jerry Reinsdorf. If you look in your heart and feel no affection for what being a Sox fan in this city means, then we're better off without you.

I am officially at the stage of acceptance in my grieving cycle. And by acceptance I mean I don’t give a 💩 about this team anymore because I accept who they are. The owner and FO wasn’t who I had hoped. Not even close. They don’t deserve a fan like me. Not sure there is anything that they could do for them to win me back either.

101 Ways to Rename the Same Thread by Caufield12

Honest Q - what does being a Sox fan mean anymore? Does it mean having a chip on your shoulder all the time? Is it just being antagonistic to the Cubs fans? It sure doesn't mean stanning a winning ballclub. I'm not sure anything in that post is true. Why do we exist?

Is it time to break this thing out again? I’ve only ever used it sarcastically, but now I feel like I want to join:

This is exactly what got us to the point of needing to rebuild in the first place. Targeting second and third rate talent, refusing to step up for elite talent.

I've thought about this a lot. Here is my analysis: - Paxson and Gar have to be held to a higher standard because they took over one of the best sports brands in the world, have a loyal and adoring fan base, and a big market which makes it a lot easier to compete for talent in FA. - Because of their inherent advantages, I rate them in the bottom half of front offices due to the: - Lack of creativity - are never in play for big acquisitions because they both fall in love with their assets and are too timid to send out what it takes - Refusal to spend/go for it, by the time they dipped into the luxury tax, it was the end of their core, and they used it for an end of career pau gasol. THey have one of the smallest front offices in the league, and consistently leave cap open but have same issue as hahn where they overpay on the end of the roster and restrict bigger moves. - Antagonistic relationships with players and coaches - between the medical mismanagement, throwing coaches under the bus, and physical altercations, they've gotten away with things nobody should HOWEVER - The absolute strength of garpax is good drafting, and if I had to choose between the two I'd take that strength over the lack of any strength on the KW/Hahn side. KENHAN: - For Kenny Williams first decade, he oversaw one of the better pro scouting departments in the game in my opinion. That ended as the age curve progressed and cheap veterans via trade and free agency became terrible investments. - Clearly the best way to succeed in baseball is draft/player dev/international scouting. They have been in the bottom 5 in baseball over last 20 years (generously). - They run their team as if they are setting up to be the illitch tigers, when they should be running it as the cleveland baseball team, rays, or modern twins. Meaning, they operate as if they believe their financial advantages define their team building, but are unrealistic about what it means (constant disadvantage to actual big market teams), while neglecting the ways that small market teams have succeeded. The last point is inexcusable. The thing to emphasize is they are both bad. But despite the "rebuild on the fly" failure of 2014-15-16 of hahn, he said when he took over sox were going to start building up farm. The CBA changed to the white sox favor there. The draft position was more favorable. International free agency became more favorable to white sox. Everything bent toward making it easier for him to operate under Reinsdorf constraints yet still only improved marginally. Nobody is reading at this point anyway. Hi! if you made it this far.

We are in the realm of fantasy when we compare Yoan Moncada to one of the greatest baseball players of all time.

On what planet are Luis Robert or Yoan Moncada elite? One never plays and the other can't hit. It's cool to be fans and all but this is a little delusional. It's like saying your 1999 Ford Taurus is really worth $100k instead of $500.

Oh god. I need to stop clicking anything but game threads on this site. The cancer is spreading.

You can still be a fan without spending money on the team.

You realize the people swearing them off likely will stick around due to their fandom right? They're just pissed off. Let them come around on their own. When Eloy comes up and starts hitting, that will bring everyone back together.

By the way, bad news guys. My toilet was backed up so I called a plumber, what he found blocking the pipes was the last decade of White Sox baseball.

I've never been more uninterested in Spring Training games than I am right now. Normally I'm so excited. Not this year.

Brooks Boyer right now....

Ah yes, the 90s portion of Jerry Reinsdorf's amazing legacy here with the White Sox the past four decades. The 90s with the strike Reinsdorf made happen in '94 that robbed that great White Sox team of its first chance at a World Series title in 70+ years, along with the infamous White Flag trade, both fanbase crippling disasters Reinsdorf caused. That's not to be confused with the 80s which initially saw Reinsdorf choosing Sportsvision over WGN for us, holding the state hostage to build him a stadium for which all of the revenue would go to him and none back to the state, and of course the sweetheart lease deal he's enjoyed the past 30 years with all of it's guaranteed profits, a lease deal I remind you he said he must have in order to remain "competitive" with the high costs of operating a sustainable winning ballclub. Meanwhile, there hasn't been a sustainable winning ballclub that has made it to the postseason in consecutive years since the lease deal was signed, and there's only been one premium free agent signed since the new stadium opened (Belle). The 00s actually were pretty good, with three playoff appearances and one magnificent World Series championship (and what would our fanbase do without that one good year we've had!). And then of course the current decade, which has been a massive disaster with all of the losses accumulated, the sell-off of stars in their prime, and now with this abject failure in this offseason. That's the Jerry Reinsdorf White Sox legacy in a nutshell, folks. It sums up as Jerry Reinsdorf getting very rich over the past 38 years as owner, while the fan experience, with just five postseason appearances during that time, being one of a dismal nature, in general. "Profits before fan friendly" appears his modus operandi. Sadly, all we as fans can do at this point is just wait and ride this thing out to the end of his tenure as owner, which hopefully is much sooner than later.

Having not watched a Bulls game in probably 20-something years, I've learned an awful lot about the Bulls in this thread.

*at a cattle auction* Auctioneer: Okay we're gonna open up the bidding Oklahoma rancher: $100! Texas rancher: $150 Kansas rancher: $155 Texas rancher: $160 Auctioneer: SOLD to the texas rancher! Oklahoma rancher: I don't understand why these cows hate oklahoma so much. Ah well, some day people will enjoy dog meat.

I blame WSI.

I'm thinking about going to the Ferrari dealership today with 10 grand in my pocket. I think I'll post some Instagram pictures of myself swaggering in (#blessed), maybe buy me one of those Ferrari keychains just to show I'm serious. Imagine that - little old me at the Ferrari dealership. The salesman just called me sir! It's anybody's guess how it will all go down, but when it's all said and done you can't deny I'm kind of a player. I mean, here I am.

You post hundreds of times a day. How can anyone avoid you?

The fact that no one, anywhere, seems to really be able to defend what management has done, is precisely why I was so confident that they wouldn't do it. I thought; "surely they can't be so obtuse, that they would mess this up so badly, that it would be indefensible". I thought that they would at least offer a contract to Harper, which would provide them with an excuse. If they had offered $300 + million, for any length of time, with an opt out, after year 4, they would have been able to at least argue that they tried. But, for Harper to take a contract, from a team, that he didn't seem to prefer, with no opt outs, while our front office freely admits that they just couldn't go that far, is simply inexplicable. The 13 years is arguably advantageous for the team, because it lowers the annual expenditure, thus providing more protection against the "luxury tax". And that is why not even Hahn, with his ability to spin things, can offer a plausible and reasonable explanation. There just may not be any good explanation, one which doesn't confirm what so many suspected. Many of us spoke a great deal about the intangible benefits of signing Harper. There was the "Q factor". We argued over just how much his presence could mean in merchandise sales and other off the field benefits. Well, the way that this thing was handled, or should I say "botched," is having the exact opposite effect. Whatever good will the signing might have created, the bad will is likely to eclipse, by several multiples. This front office folly will likely be considered one of the worst chapters in White Sox history, perhaps somewhere between the Black Sox Scandal and the White Flag disaster. It will be interesting to see the repercussions. That's where the fans come in. The fans are going to react. In this age of social media, the vocal expressions of disgruntled fans will spread and could become quite contagious. The idea of a bill board is too expensive, and will not reach enough fans. I still think that signs, in the ball park, held up by fans, would be more effective and cost almost nothing. They will be seen by other fans, sitting nearby and make it difficult for the TV cameras to avoid. If fans could flood the stands with signs of protest, it would probably get press, as well. Even if the White Sox tried to prohibit them, that cencorship would be publicized. Many fans already enjoy making signs, to hold up at the games. All that would be required here is that they start changing the messages. It's a way for fans to express their anger and frustration, in clever and creative ways. The signs should not contain any profanity, or vulgarity. They should be civil and even polite, while still expressing fair criticism. This is the best way to voice our disapproval of management and ownership.

Hahn, Reinsdorf, and Kenny (Would never offend Curly like that)

Moncada cannot hit the baseball.

Did you just watch Armageddon, Deep Impact or 2012, lol? They have at least five potential elite talents, STILL. 1) Jimenez 2) Moncada 3) Cease 4) Kopech 5) Robert And Madrigal's going to be the closest thing we've had to Nellie Fox since the 1960's...

If Kenny Williams is that pissed at me for not being a good enough White Sox fan, fine I will not turn that team on once all year.

“The owner of the Phillies says, ‘oh my god, we have to do this, we can’t let our fanbase down.’” Shit the White Sox never say.

Congrats dude. You are the only person on earth that is not employed by the White Sox who thinks that the White Sox have the best collection of under 25 talent in baseball.

Yeah, the Sox mean a lot to the city alright. That's why Family Feud and Alaska State Troopers get better ratings in Chicago than Sox games do. They mean nothing to this city except for that few that are fans.

I get it. It has been years of failure from this organization. Failure on the field, failure drafting, failure developing, failure in the international market and of course, failure in free agency, I'm not giving up my fandom. I don't think I could even if that is what I wanted. It has been a part of my life for my whole life. But right now I feel used, beat up and taken for granted. It isn't the failure that has made me angry this offseason. It is how the front office has treated the failure. They seem petty, ignorant, and incompetent. Maybe they aren't. Maybe they just don't know how to deal with the failure. I am sure there is pride in that front office, and this offseason, and the last 10 seasons, have been a kick right to that pride. I'm not giving up, because I am invested in the team, mentally and emotionally. I have watched too many terrible streams on MiLB TV from Birmingham and Winston Salem to give up. I can't wait to see Eloy. I can't wait for Robert. I can't wait for opponents to face Kopech and Cease on back to back days. But for this year, well, I am going to try to not be invested. I will check in on games because that is my way. It is what I do. I will watch Eloy and Moncada, Rodon and Lopez. But I am also going to spend more time using my MLB.tv to watch the Cards, a team that always tries to win. I'll watch great pitchers and matchups. I'll spend more time watching Mike Trout. I sure as hell won't spend any time on the Padres though. I'm not giving up, but I may take a bit of a break. I won't fight for the pride of my team. I feel beat up. I feel exhausted by being a fan. I still love the game. I love the team, that is the only way I could be this pissed. But how this front office has treated the fans is absurd. When I saw that quote from Middleton about signing Harper so they wouldn't let the fans down, I could honestly never imagine the Sox feeling that way. And that sucks. The team seems apathetic to the fans. I'm going to give that back to them for a while.

Yes, it's Atlanta, but my god, the Zach/Lauri/Otto core has been so good.

Bingo. That is where I'm at. I will never say I'll stop being a Sox fan. Can't do it. But I sure as hell won't give JR a dime of my money to go to games. I'll comfortably watch on TV or laptop and support the boys.

If the rebuild were going well the free agent failures would've been taken more in stride. But we have had to watch Acuna and Soto go wild while Tatis Jr. has ascended to being the top prospect in baseball. The frustration you're seeing is a culmination of a lot of things.

But theyre not a fan anymore so who cares? People who feel the need to post that they're not a fan of the team anymore on a forum of the teams fans because they didnt get what they want is the definition of a child.

It's ironic because most die hard fans ridicule the casual fan for being a fair weather fan... yet the die hard fans are quitting the fanbase because the Sox didnt sign someone who has never been on the Sox before. I said it before but this isnt even the 3rd worst thing that has happened being a sox fan since 1994. Sox finally rebuild and sign international talent to big money deals and everyone is going to quit when things start looking up because they fucked up signing machado because Jerry is a stingy dolt.

Your NBA input is simply trash. No other way to put it.

Really feels like the only reason I’m still a Sox fan right now is because of Stockholm Syndrome.

Unless Jeffrey Loria wants to own another franchise, I'll take my chances with literally anyone else.

lol k i'm done.

I think this could be the worst opening day OF in MLB history lol

Also, because I have no shame, if people have great seats at low to no prices and feel like making a stand, I have kids who love going to games.

I have decided that I am going to go to a few games (3-4 at the most), only because I love the Sox. That being said, I am going to give Reinsdorf as little of my money as possible. I plan on buying the cheapest tickets in the house, going on Sunday's to get the $10 parking, and spending very little on food inside the stadium. He doesn't deserve my money or anyone else's for that matter, but it is what it is.

I voted for buy less tickets and merchandise. I know this is the most emotional time - right after we were lied to. After we were insulted by our front office. The fact that this franchise puts out a terrible product and then lies to us with a straight face acting like we're the dumb ones ... that's an issue. At the end of the day the Sox are just a product, and I as consumer have a choice. There are 30 teams, no reason I have to purchase this product. Unfortunately we are in a position where going to the Northside for a baseball game costs $100+ a ticket. So I will be showing up for Sox games. I likely will just buy $6 ticket and move around throughout the game. I will also support the local businesses around the park. It sucks for them that they're livelihoods are going to hurt while the Sox continue to mock our intelligence. But that's it for me. No season tickets. And to be honest this stings so much because until now I looked at baseball as a mental getaway. Sox games still had a boyish charm to them. They reminded me of fun. Of grilled onions. Of cold beer. Crack of a bat. But now? All I see is $$ signs. I see JR sitting on his yacht or in some mansion just smoking a fancy cigar. He's no fan of the Sox. He's a fan of a balance sheet and income statement. And realizing that the Sox are just a business is just sad. Deep down I knew it, but my true mental getaway for 162 times during the summer has now become a business to me. And for that reason I'm sad.

"You're opinion of me holds no cash value"

They've been thinking about this every day since last June? No one feels what they feel? Continue the pitch forks Sox fans. We need to make this one burn.

“Our fans would have been much more disappointed in our inability to keep this next core together,’’ he said. “We would have overextended ourselves had we gone to an uncomfortable level.’’ 9 years from now, Eloy will be in his thirties. And which is it KW? Manny just had to stay healthy, oúr offer was worth more money or We want the financial flexibility for our core

The only 3 people in the world who thought these guys would sign at a discount to play for a perennial loser who is ignored in their home city were JR, KW,and RH.