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Katz has Kopech, Cease, and Lopez on throwing programs already. Seemed very enthusiastic about working with Cease and getting him right.

I know what happened the last time we signed a player from Japan.

Harold also thinks the Sox desperately want McCann back (at starter dollars) and would still keep Grandal around for some reason. He clearly has access to some inside info, but let’s not assume everything he says is gospel. Even the best insiders get shit wrong. Also, James has just as good of a track record and says we’re still in the mix so no one should be losing hope yet.

How can you find either of these two preferable? They both used insider knowledge to game the system and stock market and have profited off the deaths of thousands. They should both be in jail

A post with the term perma-cripple, yet calling someone else fooking stoopid. That is some comments section level of cognitive dissonance. Just, wow.

Man every time people say this we end up signing everth Cabrera or some shit

Over / under 5 days before Jack slots Colas in for a career as a DH only player.

Nobody cares About your opinions Jack. Can pitchers handle a full workload? Thats the question

Has anyone heard if Biden is keeping Ivanka and Jared in the White House. They might be hard to replace.

I am amazed at how many people I see at our casino on a daily basis. Then again I guess if they knew how to play odds, they wouldn't be at a casino.

The White Sox might sign Colas. If they do, he likely goes to DSL to start due to tax reasons. If he plays stateside, likely starts in High A IMO. He’s not a piece for the big league roster in 2021. He’s a prospect.

This board is in dire need of a move.

this is the machado glove thing all over again. NOPE. not falling for anything anymore.

Alright, I gave this an attempt using 2019 stats. Here is Springer vs platoon splits of Joc/Engel: Springer: 556 PA, 39 HR, 0.974 OPS, 156 wRC+ Joc/Engel: 553 PA, 38 HR, 0.907 OPS, 135 wRC+

The under utilization of McCann was one of my major knocks on Renteria, among many. So many times he could have been used as pinch hitter, and should have got more starts at DH. His loss definitely diminishes the teams on multiple levels. Going to miss him more than most, that is for sure.

It wasn't a minor league deal, but point remains.

Zero community spread, like the countries that have this under control, is where you stop. Cuomo is an example of an incompetent governor who did very little and at times actively undermined an appropriate response. I can't take care of my family without them being exposed to a deadly virus right now if we leave our house. What you do impacts your community around you when it comes to contagious diseases. This is why relying on "I take care of my family, you take care of yours" has lead to 270,000 dead Americans is less than a year, with hundreds of thousands more to come. It's why millions more are slipping into poverty. It's an approach completely doomed to failure. Some people will have to work, of course. Especially people doing COVID response, or providing (actually) essential services. But right now, restaurants and bars should be shut down, and we shouldn't be dooming their employees and owners to destitution for situations far beyond their individual control. The same goes for many other sectors of the economy. Countries that have limited the human and economic damage took strong measures. Countries that are suffering roiling health crises and substantial economic impact didn't. Both categories include autocracies, single-party "democracies," and actual democratic states. I know which option I'd take. Much of our economy is service sector or retail and it's in-person. Tens of millions can't stay home if they want to pay the rent and put food on the table. Absent a strong federal response including financial support, a whole lot of people couldn't do the right thing and stay home until the virus was squashed. They were put in a position to make the least bad choice of bad choices. That's what failure to have sufficient public health crisis response gets you. That, and hundreds of thousands of deaths. edit: basically just going in circles at this point, so bottom line, yes we absolutely should have taken strict lockdown measures that were actually enforced from the start and we'd all be much better off and a couple hundred thousand people wouldn't be dead right now.

To me, depending on what the roster size is going to be for 2021, Dahl is a guy you bring in along with another OF. You definitely cannot count on him to play 125+ games in RF. He's an option, not the solution. Bring in both Joc and Dahl. If everyone is healthy, Eloy can spend a little more time at DH and it also gives the Sox a little safety blanket on Vaughn, as well as the inury prone Eloy and Robert. Another combo that I kind of like is Brantley + Dahl. Brantley DHs to start the year, Dahl in RF. Again, helps with injury concerns as a Eloy/Robert/Dahl OF is going to spend some time on the IL, and Brantley can fill in the corners with Engel/Leury as needed.

People that love Madrigal--Rankings--40 by MLB Pipeline, 48 by Baseball America, 41 by Fangraphs ,13 on Baseball Prospectus...Longenhagen, USA Today baseball, Rotowire, FutureSox, college scouts, minor league scouts, White Sox management. People that hate Madrigal...Keith Law (hates all White Sox players) Soxtalk (hates all white sox players).

I’ll excuse myself. But I’ll leave it up there to showcase my stupidity.

No, but since the broadcast was moving from WGN to ESPN it also wasn't assured that the job would be his either.

Probably not, which is even more of an argument for a 100 or 120 game season than the financial stuff....a lot of pitchers broke because they didn't have a full spring training for a 60 game season. They might have to build up for a couple seasons: 2021: 100 games 2022: 120-140 games 2023: Back to 162

I agree, and don't necessarily see a "dislike" or issue between the two, but Lucas was obviously more comfortable with McCann. However, the White Sox also used McCann over Grandal for nearly every rookie start, and Lopez could have benefited from additional starts with McCann as well. I believe the team chose McCann over Grandal in these games for his game management and pregame work and game plan, and it's clear they responded well. Dunning = McCann 5 games, Collins 1, Grandal 1 (Grandal's start the only game the Sox lost with Dunning starting). Stiever = McCann caught his "good game", Grandal his shellacking. Lopez = His best start, facing Cleveland on the road, was with McCann. Lucas didn't mention Grandal among the key 2020 acquisitions during his Score interview after the playoffs, though not necessarily reading anything into the omission. Stone said and tweeted on multiple occasions Grandal doesn't bring the same level of game preparation or attention to detail as McCann did. If true, hopefully he will commit to that aspect of the game with McCann gone.

I’m starting to think an offseason of Joc, a couple of mid-tier starters (Quintana and Richards, for example), and a reliever (maybe Colome) is a likely outcome. I know most people would consider that a huge disappointment, but I wouldn’t hate it. We would be taking a 35-25 club, replacing EE and Mazara with Vaughn and Joc/Engel, adding some depth to the rotation, and giving Dunning, Cease, and Kopech a chance to develop/compete for a spot in the rotation. Look, I want Bauer or Springer as much as anyone, but if we don’t land one, it won’t be the end of the world like a lot of people here will make it out to be. It would also give us a lot of flexibility to add a starter at the trade deadline or next offseason.

He was awesome for us. Was an all star, caught Giolito's no no and now will get paid. I wish him the absolute best.

So basically he’s signing with the White Sox?

I absolutely told my children growing up that the Sox manager should be their role model. Unfortunately it was Bevington.

Sorry, but just the fact that Renteria pinch hit Collins in a key situation in game 2 of the playoffs when he could look down the bench and see an actual professional hitter in McCann, who never even entered the game, along with the Berrios benching in a key game against divisional rival fighting for first place, alone proves that Renteria's use of McCann was anything but masterful. McCann out WARed Grandal in half the playing time. No way an extra 30-40 at bats would have been anything but beneficial. That alone could have been the difference between first place, not to mention all of Renteria's other boneheaded moves.

Still would have been better than Encarnacion or pinch hitting Zack Collins. I think there was a long ways between his utilization and over exposure. For example, McCann rode the bench against I think it was Berrios when he had four home runs and something like a .400 BA. No way putting him in the lineup would have been over exposure in that case. A hot bat is a hot bat. Put the hot bat in the lineup when the alternative is garbage.

I think other than not using him vs, Berrios I believe, I think he is the one McCann kills and Ricky had him riding pine a couple of times, he used him masterfully. This is a guy a lot of Soxtalk were irate the Sox signed in the first place thinking he was no Kevan Smith. And I agree, I think over exposure may hurt his numbers a bit. But he has earned a shot at a regular job. Hope for him it goes well he seems like a good guy.

Call it a hunch, but I think Renteria learned in 2019 about over exposing McCann, and his numbers were protected a lot more this year than they were last year when James crashed at the end of the season. I wouldn't be shocked if the next team to sign him finds out the same thing.

Could of/should of been with us.

Joc is perfect for us; really all we need on the offensive side. This team is so dynamic, and with so many realistic paths to improvement through internal development or smart personnel moves down the line. I'd love to keep it that way for as long as possible.

That would be an adventure for sure, I'd personally love to see it unfold.

Public health crises require public policy measures, and relying on "do the right things as individuals" is basically an empty, meaningless statement. We see exactly how well that approach works compared to competent public responses. Many people have no choice but to go out and face exposure for their jobs every day in this country because there's no closures and no financial support otherwise. Others will disregard it and partake in activities that are still open. I don't think the measures taken by many democracies to control this are "full blown authoritarianism." It's not "just so people can freely pack into wedding halls again," either. It's so there's not another three thousand dead people in this country today, tomorrow, the next day, and every day for the next month or two. It's so businesses like wedding halls can get back to functioning again. The countries that handled this well with strict, early containment are the ones with the least economic damage. They're the ones where their citizens can more or less live like normal again. Are South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, and others now authoritarian states because they imposed temporary restrictions to control a deadly contagion? Get community cases to zero again before you open'r up or you're doomed to repeat the cycle again. It's the path taken by many countries, including many democracies, who have managed to contain this and aren't facing increasing mass death. For what it's worth, consider that the current ruling party in Australia is there conservative party. Same in Japan. This isn't some sort of lefty thing. It's a "competent government response to a major public health crisis" thing. The answer doesn't always lie in the middle of possible paths. Much of Europe tried more of the middle path. It didn't work.

In order to have a solution to our problems, we first must accept that the system is corrupt and broken. Right now, The US is a covert plutocratic kleptocracy. It's a plutocracy because the rich are allowed, by law, to buy politicians, and it's a covert kleptocracy because the politicians enrich themselves by continuing to serve the interests of the plutocrat class, and they do so in secret and pass laws to make it legal to do so. The Plutocrats give money to the politicians through covert, legal means in return for their votes on policy. Once the purchased politician is voted out of office, the politician then spends the remainder of their career as a lobbyist for the plutocrat class, working for one or all of their former owners. The US, while keeping the facade of democracy, is actually a Russia-lite. Russia is an overt plutocratic kleptocracy, where the US is a covert one.

Crap. Doubtful they match a 4 yr offer.

The expectations for Colas are overblown. Intriguing prospect but far from someone to pencil in as a long-term piece.

He isn't.

The kid has played like 8 games at the top Japanese level, which is significantly under MLB's level.

We don't know that.

Oh and Avi still isn't a fit for this team. He literally checks none of the boxes.

Trump is the outcome of modern Republicanism, not the cause of the party base's current feelings.

One thing that is attractive of that to me (as someone who even mentioned trading for JBJ last year) is between Robert/JBJ/Anderson being able to really limit what is needed of Eloy. Anderson should be capable to soft hit/shallow left balls, robert can shade more to LF since JBJ can cover more of RF. Of course, that still leaves Eloy's biggest enemy: the wall. But maybe the league would allow us to put an innertube around Eloy since so much of the rest of the field is covered.

To be fair, the reply in that first tweet was to someone who has gone out of his way to talk shit to Rodon on multiple platforms (also to Welington Castillo, but that's besides the point). Went after him on an Instagram family pic before (and publicized it like it was cool), and whatever was said here. I don't blame her for lashing out at this idiot.

It means they aren't complete dopes. They have over 2m left to spend on free agents. Why wouldn't they use that on a top 100 prospect?

Thats the vibe I get.

Oh shit, he said he was sorry for his second dui? WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ME? Good lord, you can't be serious with this.

You are wrong. I am more conservative. I had come to accept this hire, did Not like it but accepted it. I would want to get rid of ANY coach for a 2nd dui. If I have to explain to you why getting a 2nd dui is very very wrong you will never understand. And no I have never driven drunk or buzzed even so you can’t tell me everybody does. The guy is clearly not sorry if this is his 2nd time being CAUGHT. So yes I absolutely believe they should fire him.

What the hell is this? Why is there a sticked and LOCKED thread encouraging the termination of our manager? Tony La Russa said he was sorry. These are the same people who couldn't accept his hiring in the first place. It has NOTHING to do with the dui and is entirely about politics.