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Yeah, you should have received something you can pencil into your line up for at least a decade for 2 months of 34 year old Melky Cabrera.

Tony thought it was Kirby Puckett and is happy to have one less minority in the organization

Here are some of the many reasons the White sox will go with Grandal instead of McCann. 1. Trading Grandal this season will be a challenge. Not sure who will take on big contracts like that after this pandemic season. Keeping both is not an option. Signing 2 catchers to big contracts is just ridiculous. 2. The biggest reason for me - this team desperately needs left handed bats. They also need players that can post a solid OBP. Grandal can do both of those. Replacing one of our few guys that can bat lefty would be a big mistakes. 3. McCann played sparingly and was put in positions where he would be successful. His numbers dropped off big time in the 2nd half of 2019 when he was playing regularly. First half OPS was .873, second half OPS was .695. That is much more in line with his career numbers. Bottom line, we have one of the best hitting catchers in Grandal. He is also one of the best pitch framers. We need his lefty bat and OBP. There is no reason to complain about having Grandal

Dombrowski in Boston Inherits: Mookie Betts Xander Bogaerts Jackie Bradley Jr. Andrew Benintendi Porcello Erod Wright Adds via Trade Craig Kimbrel (5.7 fWAR over 3 years) Carson Smith 0.3 WAR with Red Sox Roenis Elias (-0.2 WAR with red sox Aaron Hill Brad Ziegler 1.4 fWAR Drew Pomeranz 6.3 fWAR over 3.5 years Fernando Abad 0.6 fWAR Tyler Thornburg -0.1 fWAR Chris Sale 16.4 fWAR Eduardo Nunez -1.2 fWAR (he was really good the year they acquired him though and helped in playoffs) Addison Reed 0.9 fWAR Nathan Eovaldi 2.2 fWAR Josh Taylor 0.7 Colten Brewer -0.2 Steve Pearce 1 WAR Signed: JD Martinez 8.1 fWAR David Price 10.6 fWAR Mitch Moreland 2.3 fWAR Traded: Manuel Margot (<1 WAR on avg over 5 years) Javy Guerra (became pitcher -.1 WAR) Logan Allen 0 WAR to date Carlos Asuaje -.2 fWAR Wade Miley 1.8 fWAR before free agency Jonathan Aro 0 WAR Aaron Wilkerson -0.1 fWAR Wendell Rijo 0 war Anderson Espinoza (injured for four years) Jose Almonte 0 war Luis Alejandro Basabe 0 war Travis Shaw 7.1 fWAR Mauricio Dubon 0.7 fWAR Josh Pennington 0 war Yoan Moncada 10.5 fWAR Michael Kopech -0.1 fWAR Luis Alexander Basabe -.1 Victor Diaz 0 fWAR Clay bucholz (salary dump) Shaun Anderson 0war Gregory Santos 0war Gerson Bautista -0.5 fWAR Jamie Callahan 0 war Stephen Nogosek -0.1 fWAR JAlen Beeks 1 fWAR Deven Merrerro -0.8 Esteban Quiroz Elio Prado Noelberth Romero Santiago Espinal 0.2 fWAR (looks decent) 2016 red sox top prospects: 1. Moncada (traded for Chris Sale, awesome) 2. Rafael Devers (kept, awesome) 3. Andrew Benintendi (kept, used to be awesome) 4. Anderson Espinoza (traded, 0 WAR) 5. Michael Kopech (traded for Chris Sale) 6. Brian Johnson (kept) 7. Deven Merrerro (traded, Negative WAR) 8. Sam Travis (kept, awful) 9. Basabe (traded for Sale, negative WAR) 10. Michael Chavis (kept, maybe decent? awful last year) The most indefensible trade was the Tyler Thornburg trade. But Dombrowski was told what he was there to do, Cherington was being too cautious, they wanted to win. His biggest mistakes were in post-world series extensions when they should have started preparing for Betts. That was a mistake, but that's a tough transition. The dodgers at this point have laid the blueprint for constant competition, but the red sox aren't the only big market team that struggled to add talent when the INTL rules changed. My takeaway: the failure isn't trading prospects. They failed because Dombrowski couldn't add to them. He used to be good at that, so who knows. A lot of that crew left for AZ and seem decent, but it was a bad few years of figuring out a new way. The worst value out was for Sale, and I think you still do that trade 10x over to get the best team around BEtts/Bogaerts/Benintendi while in their first contracts. Moncada wasn't awesome until 2019, Devers was better earlier. Git some DD.

We could have at least gotten a puckett of balls... I'll see myself out.

People in the know say multiple teams will show interest in Hendriks and he will sign with one of them. I pass this along not to bolster my name when proved true, but because of the pleasure it gives to those following hot stove rumors of their favorite teams and players

Seeing this, I get exactly what they're doing. 2021 is the only year that the Sox have a chance to win a title. They're not going to be able to fill out their holes around the core guys after this year. In fact, It would not surprise me if a core guy or two get traded next winter. If they have $160M committed for 2022 I see that being outside of Jerry's comfort level.

You have absolutely no idea that you are proving my point.

No worries. Just not really sure where that leaves you, if you'd agree that Grandal is better offensively and McCann is the one who commits the interference errors. My opinion is that McCann calls better games, and is slightly better when it comes to avoiding bonehead errors like dropping pop-ups and whatnot (I say slightly because of the catcher's interferences and because he'll drop one every now and then himself, just not as frequently as Grandal). But I think Grandal is better offensively and is a better framer, which is why I think he's superior overall

If the White Sox sign James McCann thread is any indication, judging by the reaction of the Adam Eaton signing, Eaton is a lock for Comeback Player of the Year in 2021.

What if Hahn=Peavy?

Because they're grown men who are professional baseball players and keuchel "learned to win" on a team that cheated to win. His quote is absurd. Hes not their daddy and real leaders don't spout off about how they're teammates were losers before he got there. Id think it was a clown move as well, as would most guys who work their asses off to reach the pinnacle of their profession.

I was more worried my wife was cheating on me with alsbeef and leaking white sox intel in the process.

Timmy’s huge ego is becoming a bit of an issue. I’m sure many will disagree, and that’s fine

I'd say the weird take is prioritizing the farm system. It is like Stockholm Syndrome central around here. As a GM, with the Marlins, he won a pennant and a World Series. As a GM with the TIgers, his teams got to the playoffs 5 times, won 2 pennants. Oh, and the Tigers were an absolute joke before he got there. Like a decade straight of losing seasons bad. With the Red Sox, his teams made the playoffs three times, won 1 pennant and 1 World Series. 9 playoff appearances, 4 pennants and 2 World Series titles. His career is beyond your opinion that he didn't do a thing in Boston. And despite him not building a thing in Boston, he did acquire Sale, Kimbrel, Price and JD for that team. I don't really remember but I would guess those guys were important to their winning. Yeah, it didn't end well, and there were some albatross contracts. But that happens when you play in free agency. His team had 3 shots in 4 years, and won one. I think most teams would take that.

Yeah. Getting to the playoffs and World Series sucks. I mean, your farm system ranking is way more important.

AL CY: Dane Dunning

A quick look at Baseball-Reference shows that McCann had 3 catchers interferences during the regular season and Grandal had 0. Every single argument you're making is either completely backwards or just your own opinion

His response will be: 1. Crickets 2. "He has paid the price and his debt to society, Tony is a man of his word and I believe him when he says he won't do that again." 3. He will blame Ricky Renteria.

Yep this is THE WORST thing about the pandemic. ??‍♂️??‍♂️

100% The problem in this situation is the pandemic gives them a glowing excuse to cry poor that a lot of people will be too oblivious to question or see through.

It isn't that bad, but I understand the frustration. So many times we hear the Sox say or act like they are going for it and they always fail to go after the jugular. It's always such half assed. Go for it. Sign Springer or Bauer. Demoralize the rest of the division. They aren't going to break the investors. If they are, just sell the team if you need the money.

I completely forgot we still had him. KC really fleeced us in that Melky trade. Just another miserable failure by hahn

We all are asshat's from time to time. It kind of happens when you see a comment and shoot from the hip in your response. Coincidentally it was just yesterday that I complemented Monkey for his calm reasoned responses when under attack. He's the best at patiently dealing with posters who use the attack mode postings.

Not true at all. He had one bad month of July.

McCann was never staying, They wouldn't have made him a starter or given him starter money. He deserves to prove himself as a starter elsewhere.

Last year. This is what I want to see out of the "cancer".

I love that JR is now running the team like Jerry Jones. Eaton and Lynn were cost effective moves that made the team better and while Dunning was nice he was certainly movable and by no means proof that there is now a push to get really old really quick. Other than a handful of starters none of which are all that good, nobody has spent any money this offseason. People need to really take a step back. The White Sox are not getting Snell for Leury Garcia and Dane Dunning. The cubs are also not handing off Darvish for Stiever. The Sox got burned waiting on Machado and Harper. My guess is Bauer and Springer are waiting on the Mets. If the Sox sit around and wait on them there could be nothing left and then the pissing and moaning around here would be epic. The White Sox are not going to overpay for Sprigner and Bauer you can call them cheap and that would be fair I guess.

I still think if Hahn were really slick he’d swoop in, resign McCann and trade Grandal to a realmuto loser. Sox would be better off with McCann and whatever they can get for Grandal.

James Fox said in an interview the other day he heard from another great source on here that Dunning and Weems had been traded, but he didn’t want to report it out of respect to the players and that he couldn’t confirm to the which team.

So 13 for Hendriks and 7 for Eaton = 20 AAV. Why were the Sox out on Springer again? What a dipshit plan. If all Springer wants is 125/5 years or less then thats not even bad. I remember when Texas gave $25M AAV to Josh Hamilton and that was a big deal a long time ago. Now its pretty normal for an All Star type. Thats not even MVP money. Anyway Go Mets! Sign Hendriks! I hope all you people pissing on my reasoning for not doling out $40M to a RP get 1 year or Colome-flavored coal in your stockings this year.

It also puts us for ozuna and putting Eaton/Engel into a LF platoon...

so... is he no longer an asshat or he's still an asshat? Hard to keep up with the name calling around here. Just wanted to get some clarity before I bought him some underwear for his noggin.

Ughhhh, classic.

Your love affair with mccann is absurdly annoying. If pitchers are so soft that throwing to grandal hurts their game they should find a new career. Tim anderson liked the prior hitting coach, he survived and didn't cry about a new one. Grandal has a better catcher era than his backups for his career. This mccann argument has always been laughable. And he has a better a better catcher ERA despite Clayton Kershaw having s personal catcher.

James McCann is going to be disappointing if he plays 100+ games for someone. He's really solid in a split role. Start vs all LHP and really mash.

Resigning him woud have been all about his catching. Hahn obviously didn't see the staff reacting so negatively to Grandal even though it was all out there.

Not really. He was signed almost 2 years ago to the day, and the Soxtalk consensus was he definitely was no Seby. His addition made the Sox catching crew weaker.

Eaton's last 4 years he's missed more games than Alex Gordon... Whose literally retired

In general, I am a Hahn fan but he blew it with James getting away.

1) Altuve was a NEGATIVE WAR last year...I would be so mad if we traded Danny Mendick for Altuve because clearly Mendick is better based on a couple of hundred at bats in a pandemic year with no fans. It's ridiculous to look at Eaton's 3500 career at bats prior to COVID and we should judge him on his 176 COVID at bats...for the same reason I wouldn't trade a bucket of balls for Christian Yelich. 2) EAton's last five non-COVID years....he had three years of 95% of games played and two injured years. Even last year he played in 70% of the games. Is your fear that his broken pinkie from last year is going to haunt him? 3) Not sure this point as they still have Adam Engel and I suspect he will play a lot. 4) JR is demonstrably not a cheap ass (top five payroll in the mid-90's when they were good and top five in the mid-00's when they were good), TLR is a hall of fame manager. AE hasn't failed...the last time we saw him in the non-COVID world he hit nearly 1.000 OPS in helping his team win the World Series. Remind me again why you are a White Sox fan?

Congrats James. One guy who will be missed.

If you buy a ticket, Jerry owes you a baseball game. If you give him $12, he owes you a beer. Other than that, we all choose to be fans and aren’t owed anything by the owners.

Defensive WAR metrics are still a major work in progress. Combined that with small sample sizes and IMO you can throw out any defensive WAR component for eaton. His outfield jump and sprint speed is still well above league average per statcast.

Barf Its a hall of fame. Not a hall of role models.

Nah just gun violence

Horrible signing and very disappointed by this.