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I absolutely agree! Escobar or Wendle would have been great pickups. I would have preferred Wendle and I’m still hopeful that they’ll address second base adequately. I also wouldn’t have been completely against trading Madrigal for the right type of player. My preference would have been to upgrade the starting rotation if he was going to be moved. Bottom line is it was about the worst utilization of using him as an asset and we’ll see where things are in March.

I get the sentiment, but I still believe this but it requires the Sox to like, try. Escobar and Wendle weren’t just solid replacements, they improved LH balance and defense and were reasonable deals. Yeah if Sox don’t get any reasonable additions eventually there are not any. And the other thing about that sentiment - they were all about sending out Madrigal for good additions, and not someone for 3 months shipped out for salary relief.

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What the fuck does all of this mean

Anyone who could make wearing a helmet in the field look cool deserves to be in the HOF for that alone.

So happy to see Minnie in, very disappointed for Allen.

Fucking finally.

Wow. How the hell is Dick Allen not a Hall of Famer? Anyhoo, psyched for Minnie and Tony Olivia. Cuban connection

Judge KKK Landis would have a solid base of support here on Soxtalk, for multiple reasons.

Is it $30 million in addition to Craig Kimbrel because that's doable for sure I'd think. Maybe something like this: Trade Craig Kimbrel and Matt Foster to Philadelphia for Jean Segura, Jose Alvarado and Rafael Marchan Trade Gavin Sheets and Zack Collins to Oakland for Sean Manaea and upside reliever of some sort? Sign OF Michael Conforto to 4 year $88 million deal. Backload the deal. Re-Sign Ryan Tepera for 2 years $14 million 1. Tim Anderson SS 2. Yoan Moncada 3B 3. Luis Robert CF 4. Yasmani Grandal C 5. Jose Abreu 1B 6. Eloy Jimenez LF 7. Michael Conforto RF 8. Andrew Vaughn DH 9. Jean Segura 2B Bench C Rafael Marchan INF/OF Leury Garcia OF Adam Engel LHB Bench bat of some sort Rotation 1. Lance Lynn 2. Lucas Giolito 3. Dylan Cease 4. Sean Maneae 5. Michael Kopech Bullpen Liam Hendriks RHP Kendall Graveman RHP Ryan Tepera RHP Reynaldo Lopez RHP Aaron Bummer LHP Garrett Crochet LHP Jose Alvarado LHP Dallas Keuchel LHP

Hockey fans kill Bettman every chance they get.

Yea they did such a great job of replacing a temporary injury for negative value at the position last year.

When the lockout is over let’s sign a Rodon and maybe Tepera and move ahead. If we can’t trade Kimbrel I am fine with him staying. W we have options at 2B. We have a real good team

They seem to have totally misread the market. If they cant move Kimbrel for Segura. Just keep Kimbrel and go hard for kris Bryant. Move Moncada back to 2b and slide KB to 3b. It seems were behind the 8 ball.

Recognizing the Negro Leagues as major leagues is just about the only good thing Manfred has done.

I didn't watch the 2nd half - but at end of the 1st half - 4th and 2 from midfield, down 14 points. I get it - maybe they fail and if they did Cardinals probably score another TD. But you are huge underdogs down 14 pts - if you have any shot at winning you have to roll the dice there. I'm hoping Fields makes things fun when he comes back next week - but counting down the days until no more Nagy.

Why is Nico Foles still on this team.

Or have three independent groups running baseball. Perhaps one group elected by the players, another group elected by the owners, and a commissioner elected by the fans. To change anything it would take a majority of votes in the first two groups plus the commissioner. If the commissioner doesn’t believe it’s in the best interest of the game they can say no, but then the other two groups could override if they have a supermajority of votes.

I am the egg man. I am the walrus. Koo-koo-ka-chu. Koo-koo-ka-chu.

The loss of a season doesn't work for anyone.

Unless killer variant phi comes along, this year could not possibly get any better. Looking forward to minor league baseball. If the labor dispute gets resolved we need a national boycott day for the fans.

??? The crowd was great game 4.

I'm not suggesting they are spoiled, I believed until proven otherwise they are hard working, competitive men, trying to make the most money possible. So I agree that is a silly thought. I also think it's silly to worry that Luery is only earning $5.5 mil next year instead of $7 mil or that Roberts might not be a free agent soon enough. Which Sox contract do you look at and think damn I would feel better if he was making more? I doubt any of them. I also don't care how much the share holders earn.

Tim Anderson wasn't drafted as a 1B and shoehorned into SS. Vaughn is going to be a very good player... but at 1B, maybe LF. They need to keep him out of RF though if they plan on keeping Eloy in LF.

Yes, there are some posts so ridiculous they are beyond the need to respond. Anyone here can look up the tax rates for Capital Gains (Unrealized taxed at 0%) or Long Term Capital Gains vs. Federal, State and Local Wage rates. Most also can understand the difference between home owners of a non income producing asset which they pay property taxes on each and every six months vs. a business which not only has their capital expenses paid for by the rabble, but also the fact the billionaire's business pays no property taxes on said capital. You can't have a rational discussion with someone lacking in the basic economic realities of taxation rates, rates on capital vs. labor, fairness, etc.. Mega dittos, silly Rabbit.

https://www.fool.com/taxes/2020/09/25/why-does-billionaire-warren-buffett-pay-a-lower-ta/ This is not rocket science, here. Or simply look at the net taxes paid by corporations like Amazon/FB by domiciling in Ireland or the Caribbean. Or a certain former president the past 10-15 years. Not something any middle class taxpayer can do, exactly. Even the billionaires know it’s a joke. “A 70% marginal tax rate. A 77% estate tax. A 3% tax on every dollar over $1 billion of net worth. As various plans to tax the ultra-rich gain steam in American political discourse—and after a recent bombshell report that the 400 richest Americans paid a lower tax rate than other income groups last year—many billionaires have been challenged to address their very existence amid growing income inequality. At least a dozen billionaires have made public statements that call for the super-rich to pay more in taxes. On Monday, Salesforce chairman and cofounder Marc Benioff penned the latest in a string of billionaire op-eds calling for higher taxes on the wealthy. The California software entrepreneur, who ranked No. 93 on The Forbes 400 list of richest Americans released earlier this month, wrote that “increasing taxes on high-income individuals like myself would help generate the trillions of dollars that we desperately need to improve education and health care and fight climate change.” https://www.forbes.com/sites/cartercoudriet/2019/10/15/billionaires-more-taxes-gates-buffett-bloomberg/?sh=7cfe5bf57792 Even Forbes of all publications is sympathetic. In 2007, Jeff Bezos, then a multibillionaire and now the world’s richest man, did not pay a penny in federal income taxes. He achieved the feat again in 2011. In 2018, Tesla founder Elon Musk, the second-richest person in the world, also paid no federal income taxes. Michael Bloomberg managed to do the same in recent years. Billionaire investor Carl Icahn did it twice. George Soros paid no federal income tax three years in a row. ProPublica has obtained a vast trove of Internal Revenue Service data on the tax returns of thousands of the nation’s wealthiest people, covering more than 15 years. The data provides an unprecedented look inside the financial lives of America’s titans, including Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch and Mark Zuckerberg. It shows not just their income and taxes, but also their investments, stock trades, gambling winnings and even the results of audits. Taken together, it demolishes the cornerstone myth of the American tax system: that everyone pays their fair share and the richest Americans pay the most. The IRS records show that the wealthiest can — perfectly legally — pay income taxes that are only a tiny fraction of the hundreds of millions, if not billions, their fortunes grow each and every year. https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax

Been saying this for a while now, I'm not all that bothered by the lack of participation in the Mega Free Agent deals as many here are. However, I'll be in the front of that line if they come out crying poor when it comes time to start paying our own guys. The clock is ticking on TA and Gio. I better not see the 90s be repeated here.

RIP big guy, you come from one of my favorite yrs as a Sox fan. Sadly many entertainers be they sports figures, rock stars or actors and actresses are starting to pass away

Lol, these were the seasons that gave the team "unprecedented flexibility" as Hahn put it. It's incredibly frustrating that covid is their excuse for not using all those savings like they claimed they would. I guess there is still time for them to spend it, though. We shall see.

The Sox ranked 29th in baseball in payroll in 2018 at 72 million. 24th in 2017 26th in 2019 "Their payrolls were somewhat high."

This argument is so damn tired and pointless I don't really know what to say anymore. The White Sox have more contracts committed than pretty much every other team too. That's why their payroll is higher in November. November payrolls are completely meaningless; people who cite it as a reason the Sox aren't cheap are exhausting. And yes the figure you cite IS taking into account the expected Arb raises for players like Giolito.

Timothy Leary's dead.

See, sometimes spreading the same amount of $ across a few players is better than breaking the bank on someone like Semien. Not a guarantee either way, but different ways to attack things.

ive never seen adult men hold a grudge over one disagreement like southside2k and chicago white sox. It's a shame because I considered them friends on this site. Until i ripped on our MLB front office for their mlb evaluations (which, in my eyes, has since been validated by harold's left leg saying they wildly misunderstood the market). Lesson learned dont disagree with either of them or you're a problem

Not unless Ron and/or Jose Abreu are somehow involved. Or Greg775's palatial Lawrence estate.

I’ve never carried water for Jerry. He’s a shitty owner and has been my whole life.

Y’all really wanna kill Luis Robert by flanking him with Eloy and Castellanos?

Happy belated Thanksgiving to everyone at SOx Talk ?

How embarrassing for MLB and the entire sports world?

Obviously he should have been in long, long ago and enjoyed it himself. He was second best AL player 1951-1961, after a late arrival to the American League for obvious reasons. It’ll be nice when they right a wrong, but completely bittersweet.

I hope JR wont have to get a 2nd job now

Good post mortem autopsy, we didnt play up to our potential but have to admit the better team won. I despise Houston but they sure beat us like a drum for the most part. I look for them to go to the WS

3 and done. Thats r white Sox

With the exception of 2005 and I guess 2008 if you count that, this franchise has a long and storied (ha ha) history of getting bounced out in the opening round. This yr will be no exception. Houston is the superior team

Im not saying Nick is going to b a superstar. I mean we thought the same of Gordon Beckham. We all knew how he ended up

Like the Sammy Sosa trade. The Cubs saw us coming. Totally fleeced

We were completly disillusional thinking we could beat a good team like Houston, may as well get swept

We're just not a complete good team, we won a bad division and beat up on some bad teams but when we meet a quality team see what happens, our misery will continue into the off season