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Well, this season sucked. I truly appreciate the Soxtalk community for making it bearable. Thanks everyone.

The Sox goal should be to have a top 5 scout, minor league coaching, analytic, and development staff in terms of comp. I don't care if there payroll is 15th in baseball - I want an org that manages its baseball people and strength and development and pays them and builds a unit with depth, expertise and specialization where appropriate. That should be the focus - if that means they cheap out $20M on payroll to fund it - so be it.

You give Vaughn 150+ games at 1b batting 3rd and a new clubhouse dynamic, you won’t be disappointed. But by all means, trade him and re-sign a 36 yr old, because he’s so loyal to our losing franchise.

It is amazing how Garcia's playing time cratered after Tony fell ill.

Why waste time on something that isn't going to happen? Jerry has never thought this way, nor will he start now.

Good Riddance to this miserable year from this wretched team. Bring on the offseason change please.

That's bait

Nah nah nah hey hey hey we suck

Yeah this place makes watching the games bearable. Thanks for the jokes, the rightfully so ripping and the cheering.

did you see the Hahn press conference the other day? He is in no way worried about job security. In fact, he threw out there, if he didn't think he was the right person for the job he would walk away, basically saying that's the only way he will ever leave. Any way you look at it, how could he possibly conclude he is the right person for the job.

The weird part is, investing and succeeding with your farm system, helps keep costs way down. You would think that would be right up the White Sox alley. Yonder Alonso 9 million, Joe Kelly 19 million,. You invest that 28 million corectly into your system instead of just pissing it away, you make it up in spades.

If you look at Jose's comments during spring training, it's obvious they told him or his agent the plan. Letting him go is the right thing. He's 36, at least. Expensive, and could go downhill at any moment. Time to let Vaughn play where he is supposed to play. Sorry to see Jose go, but it's time.

I can think of one other #23 who frankly had a bigger impact on the franchise in one at bat. Hell I can picture that at bat.

For a team dearth of power, trading the one guy with very real power, while also far from his peak value, seems like questionable decision making at best.

It’s such an obscure number to the point where I wouldn’t mind if they did because no one else is probably going to wear it.

This would be the worst hire.

I love Jose, but I don't think 9 seasons with his numbers qualifies for the ultimate White Sox honor. Take a look at Baseball Reference for the list of comparable players both based on his career and his age and there is not one that any team would consider retiring a number for. Much like Baines was at the time, the uniform number retirement would be more based on emotion than achievement. Again, Jose is awesome and I appreciate his career here.

Hope to meet some of you in person some day, thanks a million for the fellowship this year.

I just wish that i had found this place years ago.

The amount of dead weight the Sox were carrying at the bottom of their 40-man all year was appalling. But I guess carrying ~5 relievers who were getting bombed in AAA every night and under no circumstances would ever get promoted made more sense than churning the waiver wire, targeting teams in trades with 40-man roster crunches to try and build some, depth, etc.

2022 White Sox and .500, like peanut butter and jelly

If there ever was a .500 team this Sox team is it.

Would say this starts with Jerry. COVID provided cover for deep cuts to scouting, Only increased analytics to a MLB low 5 (from 3 or 4) as a personal favor to Tony's friend's son. Was called out by minor leaguers for the MLB not even bare minimum league mandated housing. Jerry's favorite maneuver is to avoid paying international spending by trading player buyouts, a double win in terms of saving crumbs.

I’m surprised people aren’t talking more about Espada or Quatraro and are spending more time talking about Guillen or Bochy. Wouldn’t it make sense to add one of these two guys as the manager, given their recent history with successful teams?

JR only "owes" fans to the extent that they will reduce/stop their consumption if he doesn't provide it.

79 isn't a popular number. A case can be made either way. I don't think the Sox will officially retire it, but like 13, won't let anyone wear it.

Mid season, Ozzie would have been a good Hail Mary attempt at salvaging this season. Now it has to be a new face/voice that brings in his own staff- and I mean everyone. The entire coaching staff has to go. If they’re good at what they do, they’ll get opportunities elsewhere.

If I’m choosing between Eloy or AV, I keep Eloy. What he’s done the 2nd half is really just scratching the surface IMO. He absolutely has to DH, and be reminded not to do stupid things that might hurt himself, but his bat still has the best chance to be special. Power hitting less athletic 1B are much easier to find. I’d rather keep both, but if I had to choose I’m keeping Eloy.

Ozzie would have been OK for me as a midseason replacement to get the players’ asses in gear. I think he would have provided enough of a kick in the pants to get the team on track in the short term. An a permanent manager? No way.

He has a concussion.

I'm glad this horrid season is ending in a few hours, but it won't be long before i'm counting the days until pitchers & catchers . and so it goes..

wish more people realized this want change? stop going to games and don't renew your ST

This is the first game in weeks I've turned on. Lasted about 10 minutes lol. Sox are gonna finish 81-81. There is not a more fitting end of the season record for this 2022 team.

This organization is what Kenny Williams is and what Kenny Williams is all about. Player Development is nonsense in his mind and as such the budget is given to MLB talent.

If Jose is indeed gone, I hope they treat him well on the way out. He was nothing but loyal to the organization and played his heart out.

o·va·tion /ōˈvāSH(ə)n/ noun 1. a sustained and enthusiastic show of appreciation from an audience, especially by means of applause. Nowhere in that definition does it indicate that it has to be a large audience to be an ovation

This season he's hit a HR on 3% of his plate appearances. Never before in his career has he homered in that high of a % of his PAs. On top of that, It's been 4.8% while in Chicago, and was 2% in Oakland. His HR/FB rate in Chicago of 19.6% is nearly triple the 7.1% he put up in Oakland in the first half of the season and more than triple his career mark of 5.9%. The league average is supposedly just under 10%, which fits for Andrus being typically less than that since he's not exactly known as a power hitter. His FB rate is even down since he came to Chicago from Oakland, although not outside his career marks, so he's hitting fewer FB and they're just going out of the park. On top of that, his exit velocity in Chicago is lower than any season of his career since that was tracked, his walk rate is lower than any season of his career, his K rate is higher than any season of his career. His batting average in Oakland was .237, his OBP was .301. His batting average in Chicago is .277, his OBP is .312. This is a guy who started swinging a little more aggressively, got lucky on a couple swings, and had a surge of HR that he probably hasn't done before and won't duplicate again. Everything about his numbers screams "would have an OPS in the .600s but got a few extra HR swings in Chicago", which is totally a thing that baseball allows over stretches of 200 plate appearances.

Holmes is right and JR does owe the fans an apology and own up to his colossal mistake. However what should happen in theory vs what will happen in reality are two complete opposite ends of the situation. The problem has always been and still remains the fact, he is the most ignorant, demented and arrogant owner in baseball...who quite frankly doesn't have the baseball credentials to be so damn arrogant, uncaring and unapologetic. Yet sadly, this is the pathetic reality of this POS owner we are stuck with, until the bastard passes away and the team is sold.

Give him one at bat, and then pull him from the field in the top of the 2nd. Done.

The Tigers had it right. For the most part, they didn’t retire numbers until the player was in the Hall. I like team Halls of Fame that you can honor past players without permanently retiring numbers or building statues. Enough with the statues…please!

Since Timmy is not around to do it, let's have Elvis catch.

The biggest problem with Ozzie is Ozzie only cares about Ozzie. Everyone and everything else is secondary. All you have to do is look at him testifying for the job TV right now. If it was about the Sox he could have went directly to JR and company in the background. Instead every TV segment becomes about him and the White Sox. It's all about the Ozzie show, and nothing else.

Yes. There will not be substantial FA demand for him. He could also play 150 games there and put up the mid .600s OPS that he did from 2018-July 2022, before suddenly having a monster month and a half out of no where. This is also why there won't be substantial FA demand for him.

Unlike the HOF, I'm fine with number retirement decisions involving emotion.

I'd bring back Ricky Renteria before I'd bring back Ozzie Guillen (or Robin Ventura). That said, I prefer they go external.

Thanks for the memories Jose, but it's time to move on.

Vaughn's fading offense the past 2 years in September has really made him look just alright as a hitter. When in reality he looked pretty good for the first 4 months of the season in both years. Vaughn has way more value in the future on the Sox than he does in a trade. You'd be selling low on him right now.

Cubs fan here (feel for you guys this yr, really do), but I came across this thread randomly and had to chime in. Been a score listener for 15 years or so, and I never thought I’d find someone I dislike more than the pretentious dbag that is Laurence Holmes but then Shane came along. What on earth was Mitch thinking when he got rid of Shep and hired Shane?! Shep wasn’t the best, was grumpy, and didn’t seem like the kinda guy you could enjoy a chat with over a few beers, but Shane blows him out of the water. First off this guys take on anything and everything is horrendous. He hates everything, and seems to only enjoy cooking meats. He’s absolutely obnoxious, not funny (his Mahomes impression makes me cringe every single time), doesn’t know Jack about sports, chimes in way too much for not being a host, and is overall one of the least relatable and unlikable humans on the planet. He s%*# talks everyone for having different takes/opinions which is funny considering his are so awful. I know a lot of people dislike parkins and danny Mac (esp after the ESPN reporter comment), but personally I loved that duo. Shep was okay and I think we can all agree Tanny is awesome and unbelievably good at his job..not a huge fan of Speigs but I love the guy as an overall good dude..so despite all the changes I stuck w/the show until Shane arrived. I guarantee that dude has like 3 friends total. Thank you for pointing this out and letting me rant a bit. Move over Holmes, you’re no longer king dbag at the score! Best of luck Sox fans. Once you get rid of the racist senior citizen coaching the team you’ll be back on track!