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Rick is still waiting for the team to wake up. He needs to wake up. It isn't happening. The sooner you start clearing tradeable pieces out, the better. They are worth more, and can't get hurt playing meaningless White Sox games. Remember when Hawk as the GM was a bad joke? .444 winning percentage. This team has a .429 winning percentage, and they still think they have a shot.

Yes but Hahn should be held accountable for his failures. If his replacement is no better that is not a reason not to sack Hahn.

If I had any say, I’d tell him to forget the HR Derby. Right now he’s in a good place with his swing, timing and mechanics and the Derby could screw that up and with his history of injuries we might see a trip to the IL. I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

f*** this team and organization

If he could work on getting to know the coaches names during the All Star break that would be even better.

Burn it down now.. Less time for an unexpected injury and more time for losses that'll better our draft position.

Wow, shocking a former Sox player leaves and lands on a wining club, where he does better and gets back on track. Oh that's right, he ended up on the Rays. Amazing when a struggling pitcher who obviously had good stuff, works with a great winning organization that have knowledgeable coaches that can tweak his mechanics. It makes sense now why the Sox have the worst pitching staff numbers in both AA and AAA.

The less he knows them, the better. In fact, it might be the secret to his success.

All my life, Center Field has been what excites me most about baseball . it's where I played in high school . going to Sox games as a boy I would always sit out in center . a great play by any center fielder, is what gets my blood flowing . Luis Robert Jr. is the guy that I have waited my entire adult life for . apparently, as ****ed up as this organization is, they were certainly capable of doing something right, when they made him a part of the team.

It's $14M they pissed that away on Leury. You bring him back and hope for the best.

They are going to waste his prime years. This team blows and there really isn’t a realistic pathway to being any better the next couple of years with contract situations and the state of the farm. Montgomery, Ramos and Schultz look like the only potential impact players. Maybe they can compete again in 2026.

Imagine being a slugger dh who does not slug but plays rf instead. Who knew?

Great job Luis Robert. You deserved this all-star nod. You would have been on this 2023 all-star team, even if MLB didn't have the rule where one player has to be represented from each team. You got there without the help of any good players around you in the lineup, like the other big home run guys who made the team and have the luxury of. I just hope we don't waste away your prime years, because of this dysfunctional organization, owner and GM who might not be capable of putting together a winning roster around you, during your prime productive years.

Gio pitched well last night. I'm gonna miss that guy. Even though he'll only be a 2-3 month rental, he should bring a solid return.

Hahn also has three additional seasons worse than .444 (2013, 2017, 2018). At least Hawk did a few positive things during the 10 months he had. Signed FA Carlton Fisk ($1.775M / 2 years). Signed Craig Grebeck (8.8 Sox bWAR). Acquired Ivan Calderon (8.5 Sox bWAR). What has Hahn done over the previous 10 months. Eat $11M and 2 years on a utility player he signed in 2022 off-season. Eat $4M on a failed reliever he acquired at July 2022 trade deadline. Committed the largest White Sox contract of $75M to a LF who ranks 15th out of 20th among qualified LFers (fWAR) and has no-power. Signed Clevinger who has already reached the IL twice in the first half for $12M. Dropped the same amount of games (13 games) from previous season in half the time the 1985-1986 team did, with likely further erosion after the trade deadline selloff. Hired his third manager, with each hire as bad or worse than Hahn’s previous hire.

It's amazing how many games this team loses they should win.

This board understandably is quite negative in 2023. So I would like to put aside negativism for a moment and salute Luis Robert, who has a chance to be our city's next true superstar (with the Blackhawks kid). Please post something here congratulating this still young player for his awesome performance so far this season. Knock on wood on the injury thing. I would like to say, Thank you Luis for all the bombs. You are a very good hitter and appear to take your craft seriously and enjoy playing baseball. Keep it up and have fun at the All-Star game. You are a great bright spot on this team. Keep it up if you can. Keep trying and stay healthy. And congrats on the all star bid. It said he almost cried upon hearing the news. If the Sox are ever gonna win again, this man may be our next fan fave and leader.

I hope that they can somehow salvage Crochet and when (or, depressingly, if) he comes back this year - just let him stretch out and build innings. My dad was lamenting the upcoming draft and I told him that Mike Shirley is one of the few people in the Sox org that seems to know what he's doing.

Any interest in the All Star Game vanished with the interleague scam. The only interleague should be the World Series, would make both events far more special / exclusive than the NBAifcation of The MLB.

I missed this.

The scary part of trading is the one doing the trading.

50 losses on July 5th . it really pisses me off, but like many I still watch.

Are you shitting me?

Bring it full circle and see if Preller trades a suped up LatAm signing for Yasmani Grandal in a wild act of desperation.

Get Rushing from the Dodgers. Left handed catcher with real pop and will likely stick at the position.

I get it, but does it really matter this year? He is on a team that isn't going anywhere and likely will have new faces in a few weeks. He has an opportunity to participate in something kids dream of. If I was him I wouldn't want to pass that up.

Eh, this is essentially the highlight of the Sox season. Might as well have some fun with it.

Did you watch Marisnick

How to become an All-Time MLB player with this one easy trick!

Can't wait! So glad he'll be seen by the whole country

I may be Charlie Brown kicking the football here, but Matt Thompson’s last 3 starts have me mildly excited. He may be a rotation piece next year?

Not maximizing the talent return to get a major league ready arm would be really really dumb. This team sucks and unless they increase payroll which isn’t going to happen has no realistic pathway to competing next year either. Get ready for a rotation of Cease, Kopech and 3 scrap heap or crappy starters like Scholtens next year plus year 4 of praying guys like Moncada and Jimenez are miraculously healthy and good.

Hahn may be a seller, but I don't want him buying.

Grandal, TLR, Joe Kelly were all wtf moments when I first heard. If they would've rang me up I would've definitely said HELL NO.

Starters with a postseason win in the Rick Hahn multi-championship competitive window. One, Lucas Giolito. Three more weeks until he gets the opportunity to pitch for a real team. We will miss you. We will not miss Rick Hahn. Fire Rick Hahn.

We shouldn't be surprised. The Rays know what they are doing.

I'm going to be pissed if he's just a league avg 3B. Corey Seager is his FLOOR. Nothing other than savagery will be accepted.

Not sure even the White Sox can screw up an incredibly athletic lefty hitter with this hit tool and command of the strike zone that at worst profiles as a league average 3B.

Would love for a media member to ask Hahn if he believes he deserves to keep his job and if so, what is the standard in which he judges his performance.

strained vajajay’s take time to heal

He really has come a long way. As a rookie, he literally swung at every first pitch. His at-bats have improved greatly and I think he has really improved recognizing different pitches this season (especially when he sat a game after half assing it to first base).

Part of this is on the starters. It seems only Giolito and Lynn are capable of going six or seven innings. I just checked baseball reference and it’s been a month since Kopech pitched more than five innings. Hey Michael - why don’t you flip off the bullpen every time you take the ball. Hes gone seven innings in three of 15 starts. Cease has not gone past six innings (6.1 once, there’s that) and has only done that in seven of 16 starts. Eventually the bullpen will get worn down. (Admittedly I don’t know if every team has starters pitching like this or if the Sox are an outlier.)

And wouldn’t you know it, Diekman has been lights out since becoming a Ray, opposing hitters are batting .050 off him in his time with TB. Could it be the Rays have a pitching coach that knows what he’s doing.

I haven't lost any sleep over the glorified popularity contest All-Star Game in decades. As far as I'm concerned can it and give the players the week off (like they are now doing in the NBA, a week off during the season) If you want me to care again, fans no longer have a vote period or if they do they are only allowed one vote and not every team must be represented. Personally I'm in favor of putting all stats into a computer and have them rank the qualified candidates by position. Top two infielders at each spot go, top six outfielders go, top two catchers go, top two DH's go. Top five starting pitchers go, top five relief pitchers go. 28 players total for each league.

The other comparison from last year is Jose Quintana. He had an ERA of 3.50 in the first half and his peripherals supported a good performance. He was cheap, and under control for 2 months. The return in this trade was Malcom Nunez, who was top 10 and/or top 20 in the Fangraphs and MLB.com lists of Cardinals prospects (therefore well outside the top 100) and Johan Oviedo, who was a top 10 prospect in the Cardinals system but who had some time spent struggling in the Cardinals rotation and been moved to the bullpen. He's back starting for the Pirates now. Basically, that deal was two "top-10 in the Cardinals system" guys for Quintana, one of whom was big league ready. Didn't return a top 100 prospect, but would return 2 guys who are probably top-10 in the White Sox system or at least comparable to that level. This is, to me, probably comparable value to what you'd expect for 2 months of Giolito, unless the market is much stronger than it was last year.

I don't care if he's blocked...Ortiz is currently #65 on the MLB.com rankings. You just don't get that kind of return for a good starting pitcher with 2 months of control. The Orioles definitely would make sense for the White Sox as a trading partner, they have top flight position players who could help the White Sox, but the O's shouldn't be trading for guys like Giolito unless they get them cheaply. They should be trading for guys like Cease, and that matchup works - 2 of the Orioles top prospects for Cease is a quality start to a deal.

Let’s never forget that a Kopech who is often injured and who struggles with his command was one of the likely results of how the White Sox treated him. Guy hasn’t pitched competitively in 2 and a half years. The last time he was out, he struggled with command until July, it took him nearly 100 straight innings as a starter to find good control. In June he had a game where he walked 6 I think, then he cut that walk rate a ton in July. This profile says the guy needs innings, repetition, in a lower stress setting like AAA. if he doesn’t get them, the risk is he will struggle with control and with health, but hey maybe you get that precious middle relief. And now? He struggles with exactly those things, who could ever have seen that coming? When you make a lot of decisions that could sacrifice 2023 to make your 2021 team better, you can’t be all that surprised when some of those moves turn out to actually hurt your 2023 team.

I think it’s quite obvious that Tony was key in the signing of Joe Kelly, they literally told us that. I’d try to track down the tweets on that but well, Twitter. Tony was probably involved heavily in the Leury signing. The other big moves that offseason were picking up Kimbrel’s deal and moving him for Pollock, letting Rodon walk, signing Graveman, and the desperation signing of Cueto after Lynn got hurt and they realized they had no backup plans. Graveman - that’s a classic Hahn signing. Kimbrel? That sure seemed like Hahn trying to cover up his mistake. But, these signings hurt but they didn’t kill. You can’t look at the white Sox and say “this one deal is the biggest problem”, this situation is the result of issues and failures going back to 2017 and even before. Bad drafting, failure to use the international market effectively, overspending on bullpens, failure to develop depth, compounded by individual moves that were either awful at the time or that got bad over time. Tony LaRussa didn’t draft Crochet and then bury him in the bullpen so they have no starting depth. Maybe Tony LaRussa put Kopech in the pen so his arm isn’t conditioned, but that sure is consistent with Hahn’s moves. Tony LaRussa didn’t fail to use international money. Tony LaRussa didn’t draft Vaughn and Madrigal, and he didn’t get nothing else out of those drafts.

Some posters here appear to dislike Sox players, Sox management, Sox owners, and Sox fans. Not sure why they bother posting. Going after players that you don't even know on a personal basis is ridiculous. I like the line-up this year as it stands now. I think Eloy, Robert, TA and Vaughn are going to have monster years. Just enjoy the game and don't waste energy on getting personal with players, managers, the ownership, etc. Too much useless energy was expended on that last year. At the end of the day, you are just another fan. Never forget that.