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I just willed this s%*# into existence! Up next: should Sox sign Ohtani in off-season? ?

Either that, or you are secretly Rick Hahn. I'm not sure I like you anymore.

No way! You need to spend at LEAST half your payroll on relievers to have any success.

I hope the Sox continue to play Colas. He won't learn anything on the bench and is better than the other pretenders who have played right field.

They said they are working on something to "celebrate" fans. So Soxfest is done, until they win enough they feel safe. Cowards won't face the music. Just more lack of accountability. I wish someone in the media would call them out on it. For it to be August and they have nothing tells you all you need to know. These things are booked often years in advance. Tom Ricketts seems like a bit of a weasel to me, but he faced the music. I think I mentioned this before, but its often been written on the site that the White Sox hate their fans. I always used to laugh at the ridiculousness of that statement. But every passing year, it seems more and more likely that the statement is true. Fans are just the necessary evil to them.

I'mma just keep memein'

ohtani doesn't deserve that

New rebuild, new garcias

And BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE

I mean isn't this the way bullpens are made?

Seriously? What are you, 150?

Eloy has kinda scarred me for life. Never seen a guy dominate offensively like that in the minors. And to some extent his numbers are not as pedestrian as I always have in my head in the majors, but still, the injuries and meh power have been really unexpected. If there was one prospect I'd have bet everything on it would have been him over robert, at least offensively. Robert had so many at bats that looked like he'd never seen a baseball pitched in his life.

The ironic thing is that Soxfest would sell out in minutes just so everyone could tell Hahn and company to piss off.

Sox owner and management hiding under desk, no chance they want to be questioned on how things got this bad so fast!

Cartel Night.

if they went ahead w Soxfest it would indicate accountability. Ain't happening

Sox fans (and probably fans of most/all other teams) have always gravitated towards the stoic and/or gritty white guys with non-exceptional athleticism and appearance like Vaughn. This is another area where Vaughn has something in common with Paul Konerko (let's hope the production catches up). Vaughn looks like a guy who wouldn't be instantly recognizable as a pro athlete if you bumped into him on the street. A lot of folks see those guys as basically just like them except good at baseball. The less they speak and act demonstrative, the easier it is to project all the qualities you like onto them

To me, the main thing that makes Jerry different from other owners (and each owner is going to have their unique qualities) is how infrequently he has changed front office leadership. He hired Krause shortly after buying the Bulls and left him in that position for 18 years. In fairness, his initial patience with Krause paid off massively and he didn't give Krause a ridiculously long leash post-MJ. Then the GarPax era begins which most of us feel lasted at least a little and perhaps a lot too long. It did end at a point where it seemed impossible that it could keep going, though. So he's really just on his third front office for the Bulls after almost 40 years of ownership. Again, hard to complain about keeping Krause for a long time given the team's success. His patience with GarPax didn't really pay off although there was a period in which the Bulls had good, likable, and fun teams that came after a long rebuild period. I suspect this colored Reinsdorf's view of what you need to do in order to get a successful team built. He buys the Sox in 1981 with Roland Hemond as the longtime GM. He leaves Hemond who finishes building the highly success 1983 squad. The next two years are basically an unmitigated disaster so Jerry decides to hire his own man. So far so good. Well, his own man is Hawk Harrelson. Oops. At least that mistake wasn't allowed to go on for too long (I've never found it too clear whether Hawk really left on his own accord as he said publicly or was just allowed to say that to save face). Then Larry Himes takes over for 4-5 years and does a quite good job but Jerry doesn't keep him due to unclear reasons, some mixture of Himes being too involved in day-to-day running of the clubhouse and Jerry being too involved in the duties of the GM. Himes has a not-very-successful run as Cubs GM afterwards. Then, Ron Schueler takes over and builds some decent teams around core players largely acquired by Himes, culminating in the 2000 playoff season. Schueler steps down due to his age as best as I can tell, thus starting the 22+ year KW/Hahn era. Jerry surely feels validated that he gets a World Series in KW's 5th year on the job, validating a bit of patience as well as hiring from within when you're happy with the outgoing GM. There was some turnover early with the Sox, but I think Jerry must have seen that as tumultuous and something to be avoided in the future. I think he would have happily retained Schueler if Schueler wanted to keep the job — and why not, considering Schueler had just assembled a young team that won its division. As a member of the group of owners, JR has earned his rep for being tight. But as an owner, I don't really see him as a huge tightass anymore. The Sox spend in a way that seems consistent with where they stack up to other teams as far as market and potential revenue. Sox have avoided big contracts in the Kenny+Hahn era, but I can't help but wonder how much of that is driven by Jerry vs. Hahn in recent years. The payrolls have certainly been high enough to carry the contracts of some of the high-profile players we struck out on so it's not as if JR is unwilling to get near $200M in payroll. Sox used to not spend much in international free agency or the draft, but AFAIK since those categories of spending got standardized we have been spending basically every cent we are allowed to. In his older years it has seemed to me that JR has embraced the idea of the owner's role being someone that hires a GM and hands over a budget; great, but now there's even more scrutiny on who that GM is. I strongly suspect Hahn is headed out the door, and I'd be surprised if Kenny doesn't do whatever Hahn does. Will it be a firing? Probably won't be described as such but I don't know. Highly unlikely that JR lives long enough for us to know whether he would give the next GM too long of a leash.

Clevinger pitched 6 innings 3 H, 1 R 6 K. Colas hit his 3rd HR a 2 run shot. Moncada went 2 for 3 , 2 double, RBI and a walk Grandal 2 for 3 , RBI and a walk Andrus 2 for 4 , bases loaded double 3 RBI Robert 1 for 1 with 2 SB, an outfield assist when he gunned down Bauers at 3rd base and a walk. He also sprained his pinky finger on his right hand when he stole 3rd and left the game. Santos pitched 2 innings in relief after coming off the bereavement list. 0 hits, 0 runs, 3 K for his 3rd save.

I believe this is Danny Zien's territory. Maybe he's suddenly been freed up to be more active in acquiring players.

I'm glad for this, frankly was not happening aggressively enough. No reason John Parke should have been in AAA for 6 years or whatever when they'd clearly never put him in the majors. Should have seen a lot more dealing on minors waivers and dfa guys for such a weak group.

Who ever is in charge does seem to be snatching up recently DFA’d/released pitchers. Never hurts to add more depth.

I couldn't have said it any better about the biggest loser owner in baseball.

Absolutely it's on hos legacy. What JR did to unravel the Bulls dynasty is a travesty and yet he loves to take credit for the 6 titles, which he had nothing to do with.

Who are you really and how long have you been playing this game? Are you a long time mole whose sole goal has always been to get the White Sox to eventually move to Texas?? On the one hand, well played sir. But on the other hand....For shame, sir, for shame.

Lol why would they have it. If this year is even more of a clownshow than last year and the same people are running said clownshow, there's no reason to believe it will happen. There is literally zero reason for fans to be excited about anything with this team.

This is how the Sox celebrated Fans and Fall last off-season.

A one year revival of Damn Yankees.

I think it's a strip club in Lisle.

Next pitcher to be drafted from Fullerton Union High School is gonna feel the pressure.

It's very White Sox. Letting Soxfest die is a really just them kicking their fans while they're down. It was always one of my favorite events of the winter even in s%*# years. I hope people keep pressing them on this.

How about Long Covid?

Who the F are the people on here defending the front office. I don’t get it. A HORRIBLE case of Stockholm syndrome? Trolling? Trying too hard to be positive? Planted members of the FO? It makes zero sense. There is nothing defendable or redeemable about this organization. And, somehow, someway, people are trying to defend this. Why?!? What the f*** is happening?

Can you pick up some Italian Sausages for me.....I'll gladly pay you on Tuesday.

"If there’s one thing we know about Reinsdorf, it’s not just that he sticks to his guns. It’s that he thinks he invented guns. His way, then, is always the right way." https://chicago.suntimes.com/2023/8/9/23826210/on-white-sox-jerry-reinsdorf-when-an-owner-doesnt-want-to-own-up-to-anything-rick-hahn-tim-anderson

I wonder how many championships any NBA team wins without a superstar. The Mariners can make a claim as the worst franchise ever, let's see how many ways the Sox are worst.

When they play like this they hint at what could have been, consistency is a big issue for this team, they are either good or bad, there is nothing inbetween. Plus it is always good to beat the Yankees no matter how good they are playing.

Both answers correctamundo.

"I’m wearing my shades so that you guys don’t see the shock in my eyes," Williams said. "It is disappointing. I’d be lying to you if I said anything other than that. "But Jerry (Reinsdorf, team chairman) really stepped up and stepped up in a fashion that is unprecedented. We all in that clubhouse talked about it this morning. We felt like we actually were potentially could close a deal today with him. We thought we were the high offer on the table, and we still feel — if the reports are accurate — we still feel that there was more potential for him to make more here then that reported deal." - Kenny Williams, January 4, 2024, on the White Sox offer of $750 million, or $2,000,000 payable annually over the next 375 years.

I'll have to try it, usually pick up their Italian Beef which is very good. Can make a few combos. Paired of course with Marconi's Hot Giardiniera.

"Attention White Sox fans: We have a very important announcement. There is no announcement."

Ground ball specialist.

I hope Clevinger stays.

Dammit. At least they'll get some at bats for promising prospect Trayce Thompson.

This is much more a function of the trade deadline, you could see how it was working. The number of teams who could use a starting pitcher was, well, "all of them in the playoff hunt". Teams that were in a tolerable spot on starting pitching like the Astros...added starting pitching. Teams that maybe needed bullpen help, added bullpen help. Teams that needed a catcher were - well maybe the Rangers needed one after their guy got hurt, and there were 3 options available.

I have watched a fair amount of the Barons. From my looks, I got Ramos > Quero. I like Quero, he looks like a for sure catcher, which is valuable, but Ramos is good at 3b and his impact is way more than Quero offensively. He consistently hits the ball hard. Not that it matters much. There's a top 2, then the Sox have a ton of players in a similar tier and where you decide to rank guys in that tier involves a lot of coin flips. So far, not a fan of Gonzalez. Sox are in the process of changing his swing, which, if you're going to do that, why pick an offense first player at 15? Right now, he is trying to inside out EVERYTHING. With that approach, it's almost impossible for him to hit anything hard. In college, he used to turn and burn on anything inner half. That made him vulnerable away, but at least there was a chance for impact. Hopefully, this is a transitional state and once his mechanics get comfortable, he'll pull more pitches.

Without a new owner, this will only kill the team off completely. Nobody is going to follow the White Sox if JR moves them, and good luck drawing new fans. It would be an utter disaster. There's no reason for a new owner to rebuild in a new city, either. The market is here, and where are you going to find a BETTER market?

People continue to make the argument that attendance doesn't matter, completely false. It's not just about $$$ in ticket sales, bad attendance creates a domino effect in a lot of other revenue sources. Empty stadiums are a marketing nightmare. A team cannot solely operate on TV revenue and revenue sharing. You have to still be a marketable product.