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Getz made a major blunder during the intro press conference where he tied himself to Grifol. He could’ve and should’ve said that Grifol was under review and that a decision would be made after the season, regardless if he planned on keeping him or not but he went out of his way to tie himself to Grifol. So these losses are tied to Getz. Grifol after all is his handpicked manager because Getz said what he said, these loses are a reflection of him and not Grifol because he endorsed this. If Getz is smart, he has to see what’s transpiring on the field and fire Grifol as soon as the season is over. The team is horrendous baseball. They have no effort. And Grifol is doing nothing to optimize the talent on roster in the interim or long term. One of the worst managerial jobs I’ve seen in sometime.

Here is the article on prospects who just missed our top 30 list: https://www.futuresox.net/2023/09/05/futuresox-chicago-white-sox-2023-mid-season-just-missed-list/

haha, fire everyone. How in the living hell is Pedro allowed to return?

Merkin weighs in on the Burger trade: "Jake Burger has reached 30 home runs, 25 coming with the White Sox. And I don’t understand why he ever was traded from Chicago to the Marlins. That belief is completely independent of the talent possessed by Jake Eder, the left-handed pitcher the White Sox received in return. Eder already is ranked as the No. 5 White Sox prospect and might turn out to be a frontline starting pitcher. Burger still shouldn’t have been traded. People were quick to quote his swing-and-miss rate and his lack of walks, but the 2023 season was the first in which Burger received more than 185 plate appearances. His overall offensive ability remains untapped. There’s been a great deal of talk about leadership in relationship to this White Sox team, and Burger is a leader. It was pretty evident from the overall clubhouse disappointment after he was traded. He showed the ability to learn and adjust, which he has really been applying since missing three years of baseball due to injury. He also was willing to work at every challenge the White Sox gave him: third, first, second. If they wanted him at catcher, he would have done early work behind the plate. He wanted to win and wanted to win with the White Sox. Most of all, he had the ability to change games with one swing, which is missing from this lineup, aside from Luis Robert Jr."

Burger up to 30 hrs and 67 rbis. He would have the 2nd best WAR on the sox by a mile. And the fans loved him. This trade made no sense when you hold onto moncada.

I don’t think this team is good enough to try to do something and succeed at it, even if it was losing.

I have a certain background and set of experiences as a planetary scientist and educator. If someone came to me with a job offer today to manage a large NASA facility, it would be a once in a lifetime job roughly relevant to my research, with a solid pay raise possible. I would also turn it down flat, I wouldn’t have applied. Why? Because I would be setting myself up for abject failure. There are too many things I have yet to do. Managing large budgets, managing big projects involving multiple scientists, working with engineers, working with government. I am gradually learning some of these skills, but today I would get into that office on day 1 with no idea of where to start, and the fact that I couldn’t plan anything I wanted to be my goals would sabotage me before I began. There are always some things you’d have to learn on the job, but if I was inexperienced enough that I had no concept of what to ask going in that’s no longer feasible. I’d not just be hurting me, I’d be hurting hundreds, maybe thousands of people who would be relying on me. If you came back in 15 years I might be well prepared for it, but if I took that job today it wouldn’t just be bad for me, it could set back the entire space program. A perfect example is Getz being asked about changes he would make to the minor leagues yesterday and saying he will talk to Jerry about it. That should have been part of the hiring conversation, he should have laid out a plan for what needs to change in the organization before signing a contract and gotten all of this in writing. Delineating clear roles and responsibilities, establishing a plan going forward. Creating a plan for how he will be evaluated. Reinsdorf doesn’t want to waste next year and he wants to win “soon”. Do you believe Getz gave a detailed plan for how to do that? If he puts three 95 loss teams out there while emptying out the system of the last few drafts, does a 90 year old Reinsdorf fire him because he couldn’t get an impossible job done or does he hope that Reinsdorf just goes with his loyalty? If he were ready for this job he should have pushed back on the notion that he could pull off a miracle before he agreed to the job, Reinsdorf should have never been allowed by his GM to offer that standard yesterday. He doesn’t know what he needs to ask or to set up in order to be successful in this position. That alone has set him up for failure already and that’s why he should have been smart enough to turn this down. The fact that he didn’t do so actually says a lot about his lack of self awareness. Either he will rely on staying in this job because he’s Reinsdorf’s yes man and he lives forever, or this will be the last job he has in baseball because no one else wants that.

if you didnt catch it... lead off error followed by a balk with the bases loaded.... quality coaching and player development

It sure would be cool if the Ramos/Montgomery tandem pan out and we have 2 IF spots locked down for the forseeable future.

F*#k Pedro Grifol. Worst manager in my lifetime for the worst White Sox team in my lifetime. How do they manage gut wrenching losses when they're 30 games under? It's baffling. But s%*# bring him back!

Josh, have you looked at the rest of the bullpen?

I think throwing a million sliders this year has really worn him down. Hopefully they will have a new pitching coach next year who has a better idea how to game plan.

Cease has been just horrible. Not trading him was such a mistake.

gavin sheets just go away please.. ugh what a scrub

KABOOM! Burger with another PISS ROCKET! ? ? ? It's like he feeds on wrong factually wrong Soxtalk posts.

Getzie learned from the best on how to dumpster dive

High WHIP, high FIP. Fits right in.

You haven't figured that out by now? JR wants to win...but he wants to win HIS way. Big difference.

They got nothing in return for Burger, just like they got nothing in return for Tatis Jr and Madrigal. Wouldn't this team look better if those 3 hadn't been traded? The Cubs released Jason Heyward this past off season and ate his $20 million contract. The White Sox should have released Moncada and eaten his contract and kept Burger on the team.

I think the velo drop has made the elevated fastball/changeup that was so deadly a lot less deadly. Easier to rise up to 92 than 94-95.

The thing is this fastball velo is regressing to where he started with in 2017. His pitching motion change found more consistent velocity, but there was a concern it demanded so much of the legs it was unsustainable. He was able to sustain pretty well through 2019, 2021 (full seasons). I wonder if it just became harder in late 20s vs mid 20s, and he may have tried to find ways to compensate that have messed with the success.

man at some point of the season you just kinda check out with "this team is bad" but every once in a while it hits you that somehow this team is worse than the worst they trotted out during the rebuilds. All garcia, alan hanson dudes performing better than this group. Absolutely wild.

Lucas might be getting waived again. WOOF. Dude has cost himself some serious coin the last 6 weeks.

And Cease has regressed to pre-2021 levels in almost every stat. He’s at borderline suck.

Kenny's parting gift to the fans. Eder has an 11.42 ERA. 17 innings, 27 hits, 15 walks. You know he's pouting about being traded to the Sox. He's gonna fit right in around here when they have to bring him up to save face. The good Jake is hitting .313 5Hrs, 15 ribbies. In the majors. God I miss his bat and smiling face.

And I believe he found the one guy in the entire sport who was spineless enough to tell him what he wanted to hear, then made him the new GM.

Trading a 3 WAR player with 5 years of control for ONE pitching prospect that is a complete question mark is definitely a bad trade.

If Chris Getz had any dignity he would have turned this down.

What you are saying should happen is not something that the owner of the White Sox would ever allow to happen.

Bolded tally to 34. Think the non-bolded in the final group are easy cuts. Sox may elect to hold onto Peralta and Perez, but I'd say those are most likely cuts from the bubble group. Worth noting that all of Touki, Deivi Garcia, Luis Patino and Jimmy Lambert are out of options or will be next season. Obviously all of them aren't making the 2024 OD roster, though I think Touki has at least earned a roster spot to start the season, imo.

I don't think there is anyone who would rather have Moncada over Burger. The problem with this scenario is the White Sox are stuck with Moncada for a minimum of one more season and their boneheaded roster construction left them with only Burger as a realistic trade option. This idea that the White Sox are going to move on from Moncada seems to be pretty wishful thinking to me. They aren't going to cut him. No one is going to trade for him and just take on his salary. Were stuck with this guy for at least another season unless he is traded for a salary swap and those options are probably pretty slim.

Any day now, Pedro will be having them coming for your neck, like he said. It’s coming, just be patient. Any day now

Exactly. That's what I was thinking. Like you said "maybe" TA. Robert. That's it. Not one of those horrific pitchers, not one. And no on Eloy and Vaughn who are 'close' to be MLB players. Not Beni. He's blah. That's why I canceled my MLB. There's no way possible to win next year. They'd have to sign at least five free agents and would have to have them be good.

It's a job. Most of those rivalries are more in the minds of fans.

From the bubble I think Touissant, Schlotens, and Martin (despite the injury) all hang around. Same for Patino on the dregs. It's likely that none of them amount to anything, but even if the Sox sign multiple starters, having those four, Mena and Nastrini is immediately better emergency starter depth than this year's plan of Martin after he ended 2022 with an injury.

I just saw the score. Not certain I'd consider myself a fan at this point. This is rock bottom and I've been a fan for over 40 years. Zero interest in these losers.

I still love the rationale for staying internal is they don't have the time to familiarize someone new with the org and the system. Let me tell you Jerry, boy do you have the time before your baseball team is good again.

Yes to everything.

Either the Sox offense has given up for the season, or they have the literal worst scouting and preparation in the league.

And an every day position player with 30+ home runs a season, with team control thru 2028.

I mean, you've been around for a while. Has there ever been a shred of evidence to tell us that's not EXACTLY what Jerry's plan has always been?

Asinine trade. Burger is perfect for new-era baseball. HR or K. Why in the world would the Sox trade Burger??? He was swatting home runs at a strong rate and perfect for GRate Field. I betcha the front office merely wanted to get rid of one of the DH types, just get him out of sight out of mind. Horrible horrible trade. Arguably he was our second best hitter. This in itself should make all fans wonder if it's worth following this wretched organization. Gawd this trade angers me still. He was close to being the first player on this roster that I care about as a fan. He showed signs despite being a horrendous fielder. 30 HRs in 402 at bats!!!! Disgusting.

No argument from me. It’s unimaginable how f***** up the White Sox organization is right now.

They traded Burger and received nothing in return. Just like they traded Tatis Jr and Madrigal and received nothing in return. Wouldn't this White Sox lineup look alot better if Burger, Tatis jr and Madrigal were in there?

…..and the third baseman we traded away is 3 for 3 today with 2 more homers. This could wind up being the worst Sox trade ever.

JR stated the Sox are now going to monitor guys in the off season. Why they weren't doing this before is anybody's guess.

Not staying out until 2am the night before a game will be a start.

Duh. And obviously the Sox have no idea how to help him do this.

Getz meant to send Popeye to AAA, but selected the Sox since Charlotte and Chicago are close on a drop down menu.

The worst part of all this Getz talk is that it means Pedro probably stays. Not only is he bad, but so brutally unlikeable.