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https://www.mlb.com/prospects/stats/affiliates?teamId=145&date=09/16/2023 https://www.milb.com/scores/all/all/whitesox Think if you are reading this, you qualify as a White Sox Marine. The few, the proud, the masochistic! I see a shirt lol. Tomorrow begin a trip to DC and will meet my son in Boston to cross a Fenway Sox vs Sox game off the bucket list. Yeah when I got the tickets this spring wasn't expecting this........

It’s insane how soft he is on veterans

Yeah but 670 said he's a meanie. So pitchfork mob at Clevinger!

So despite all evidence and findings proving otherwise, you're still ready to send the guy to the Gulag? Seems Fascist, tbh.

Only the White Sox could make a win excruciating. Santos is another guy who can't handle later inning situations.

Then he should shut the f*** up.

Right now it’s one of the worst trades in Sox history.

A good free agent class and the Sox fortunes are mutually exclusive. They never end up in Chicago anyway. At least on the Sox.

Do you think any of them really care? They still get to cash their paychecks whether they win 100 games or lose 100 games.

So by default, what they do best is baserunning lololol

Clearly, all issues would be solved by a circular locker room.

Sorry, but I live in a world where due process is a thing.

They're going to lose 100+ games and this moron won't sacrifice a win today for possible future wins via development. This is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard a professional coach say.

So, there was due process, he was cleared by MLB, and you're upset about his intro song, something his teammate may have done on social media, and further claims by the person he was cleared of abusing? That's really bizarre.

I'd 100% bring Clevenger back.

It’s truly amazing that Grifol is being allowed to return.

I’m scouring StubHub for tickets and parking passes. Looking for five tickets for something like $6-$20 each and a parking pass for around $16. Let’s see if good Cease shows up tomorrow and the Sox come alive so my son can experience a White Sox home run and winner. Let’s make it two in a row!

Winning ugly is sweet…I guess. Thankfully they won’t have this relief pitching next year. Nice game for Touki, Anderson and Jimenez. Lets go get a win tomorrow so my son can experience a White Sox winner in person!

Like the draft odds really matter?

NO! I want that .03 percentage increase in #1 pick chances You and your son….kick rocks

I don't think i've ever seen a 1 page game thread in all my years here. Sox are officially irrelevant. Nobody cares.

Maybe he saw what happened when he left in Urena which I thought was a terrible move. I think any time you pull a pitcher who is doing good but has been inconsistent throughout their career, It's not a bad move. You're trying to build confidence in starting pitchers . The parade of late inning relievers who don't belong in the majors giving up runs and possibly losing the game means nothing. The Sox need starters, these bums in the BP can be found anywhere.

Yea well, I just thought the games were more interesting when he played . it's just a personal thing.

Fair enough. Missed that.

Paid a big price for keeping KW and Hahn in charge for so many years.

32 homers 72 RBIs go ahead bomb against Braves in must win game late line drive missile to RCF off Kirby Yates Exit Velocity 113 mph Distance 411 ft Launch Angle 17 deg DJ Jazzy Jeff Chisholm followed with GS

Don't forget Bassitt and Semien for one year of Shark. Sosa/Bell Todd Ritchie for Wells/Fogg/Lowe Nick Swisher trade

Lot of people here wasting a lot of time and energy arguing over a white trash custody dispute of a slightly above average pitcher. Move on folks. Either live with him pitching for your team or don't.

You know seeing how the Rick Haun replacement went, I see no reason the SOx could do any better if they ever fired Pedro. It may be worse that Pedro hard to imagine that Past that please fire Pedro

The Sox will always be first in line for a player where other organizations have that ? of value. Face it the Sox best scouting is often the dumpster dive. Kenny and Hahn seemed to be good at that.

Then we’re screwed.

It is painful to watch Kopech now. HIs slider has no bite, and his fast ball isn't that good. He is getting more frustrated by the day, and his confidence has to be waning with every appearance. Maybe he should have gone to the minors with Colas.

No need to sully Oscar Gamble or Billy Hamilton. He should be assigned Eddie Gaedel's 1/8.

Don't see many "open tryouts" beyond the catcher, second base and right field holes they had since the prior decade (save for McCann's time here). Sounds like a continuation plan of failure for bringing up players not ready and not developed by Chris Getz heading into this season (Colas, Gonzales, Sosa). Even if Jerry is willing to spend, which is doubtful with declining ticket sales for a third consecutive season, there aren't any good free agents willing to come here. As always, it will be relievers and old players signing their last contract with no other options (Dunn, La Roche, Keuchel, Grandal, Parrot, Lynn). Open Tryouts - 40 Man Roster Players under 2024 White Sox contract / control (ML Minimum - Arb 3) (Player & 2023 fWAR through 9/14) Position Players - 17 Under Control for 2024 Catchers: Carlos Perez -0.1 & Korey Lee -0.3 First Base: Andrew Vaughn 0.4 Second Base: Jose Rodriguez 0.0 vs. Lenyn Sosa -0.6 Third Base: Yoan Moncada 0.7 Shortstop: Tim Anderson -0.6 Left Field: Andrew Benintendi 0.2 Centerfield: Luis Robert 4.8 Rightfield: Oscar Colas -1.3 vs. Gavin Sheets -0.9 Designated Hitter: Eloy Jimenez 0.3 Infield Reserve: Zach Remillard 0.1 Outfield Reserve: Adam Haseley -0.2 vs. Trayce Thompson -0.3 vs. Jackson "Clint" Frasier -0.4 Reserve: Loser of one of the above "battles" Minor League Players: Bryan Ramos (AA 22 Years Old) Pitchers - 20 Under Control for 2024 Starters (6 - Threshold = 1 or more 2023 starts): Cease 3.0; Scholtens 0.4; Banks 0.0; Toussaint 0.0; Lambert -0.5; Kopech -0.9 Relievers (11): Santos 1.6; Bummer 0.7; Ramsey 0.3; Peralta 0.1; Patino 0.1; Padilla 0.0; Garcia 0.0; Navarro 0.0; Hendriks -0.1; Crochet -0.1; Cronin -0.2 Minor League Players (3 - Zero White Sox 2023 Appearances): Foster (29 - TJS); Martin (27 - AAA); Ramirez (29 - AAA). Note - Unrestricted (Chicago / Illinois Lockdowns) attendance in 2021 (late June - Year End) was higher / game than unrestricted 2022 season. 2023 is a decline from 2022, 2024 will likely be a decline from 2023 with the extinguishing of any hope after the Chris Getz / Pedro Grifol 2024 debacle.

Mets hire David Stearns - yay Sox hire Chris Getz -WTF?

Eh, it can also mean someone is willing to lie under oath. It’s not that rare. At this point, I almost want the Sox to bring him back to watch this site burn ?

What a genius.

I think multiple things can be true. 1) Clevinger has been our best pitcher and he may be a scumbag. 2) I know that custody battles bring out the worst in many people. Two doctors were divorcing. The dad had to put his son on the stand to refute his wife's claims that the bruises in a picture were not caused by him but actually when she fell down the stairs. Putting a kid in that situation is awful and she was a child psychologist. 3) Not an attorney disclaimer. I don't think Clevinger was cleared. Criminally, they decided the evidence was unlikely to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't know if a civil suit has been filed where guilt is, I believe, established by a preponderance of the evidence which is a lower standard. I don't know MLB's standard. Innocent would be established if he went to trial and was judged not guilty or his accuser admitted lying. 4) Baseball, like the world, is filled with a wide variety of people. Many are unsavory, awful, and scumbags. Baseball usually cares more about performance than character. 5) Clevinger has been our best pitcher and he may be a scumbag.

And OJ was completely innocent of any wrongdoing, right? "Due process" doesn't mean if a dozen parents said their kids were molested at a day care, you are still obligated to drop your kids off there because they were never found guilty in court. I find it really weird and abhorrent when a dude digs in on this and chides others for not openly liking Mike Clevenger because of "due process". From testimony given under oath, I think the guy's a rage-addicted scumbag who uses his money to continually harass his victims, even when they're no longer partners.

Wasn’t he on the IL at the deadline? Kind of hard to trade a guy who is going to be out at least another month.

Wait, what?!? I'm always amazed at how dudes dismiss a woman's word as insignificant or lies, even when given under oath. He was "cleared" in that his abuse and harassment didn't meet MLB's threshold for suspension. The intro song shows immaturity. Colas stalking her social media is weird, but considering the allegations, could certainly scare a person under legal siege from a multi-millionaire. The claims of abuse were made under oath, and there's nothing to them that make them sound made up. A normal human being should have a problem with Clevenger's alleged actions, regardless of his ERA. I can't fathom how you see a person's disgust with that abuse and harassment to be "bizarre". Too many guys are way too comfortable with how hard it is for a woman to be taken seriously about abuse.

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say if there was any shred of solid evidence of this MLB would have thrown the book at him. This ain't 10 years ago. He would have been suspended, in jail, etc. I just can't see MLB and the police turning a blind eye to it. This isn't like Ray Rice almost 10 years ago level cover up. That s%*# was easier back in the day to sweep away than it is today. Anyways, I hate the guy too, so don't go thinking he's on my fantasy team or anything.

$5 million for a month is going to bust every budget in September Some teams will make exceptions and break the budget, but not for a guy with Clevingers recent injury history, and just missing a month and a half. Explain the Rangers trade for Chapman? Explain was Uriah was on the Dodgers roster after his 2019 problem. Explain Marcel Ozuna in the Braves line up? He punched his wife right in front of a cop.Explain Roberto Osuna being acquired by the Astros. Explain Domingo Germans continued employment with the Yankees. And those are guys that actually got suspended.

I would bring Clevinger back.

Great points, could it be the JR is running the franchise into the ground with the end result being that eventually interest in the White Sox will be at an all time low with no one caring if JR sells to owners from another town. Why else do you sign a guy like Getz who has absolutely no experience as a GM and in turn Getz decides that Grifol who is the worst manager I have ever seen to lead the Sox forward, like forward to Nashville or some other Sun Belt city. I hope I’m wrong but as long as JR is owner of the White Sox nothing will surprise me with that man, I trust him as far as I can throw him.

Seems like the Sox should have gotten a lot more than just Eder for Burger. Eder sounds like a total reclamation project with a high probability of never making the big leagues. Jake Burger is producing in real time right now and is a cheap cost controlled player.

If anyone is alive who played with Mickey Mantle they could tell tales about him that are legendary, Whitey Ford too.

No argument from me. It’s unimaginable how f***** up the White Sox organization is right now.