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He let Buehrle go. He let Abreu go. He is not loyal at all until they enter management

Football and baseball barely overlap, so not sure why that matters at all. And good owners invest in their product and give their consumers a reason for consuming it. Jerry refuses to do any of that and then has minions blame the fans for not being able to spend a dollar when you only have 50 cents. It’s hard to imagine any replacement owner could be worse than Jerry and the Sox are a potential sleeping giant with the right person at the very top.

"On this day of thanks, I'm thankful you're not in charge"

JR doesn't do long term contracts with pitchers and Boras is his agent . So I don't know what you read and when you read it but that's not happening.

Kjerstad+Ortiz+Kremer is the minimum for me

I'm afraid that Cease and Eloy are going to be traded and the White Sox get very little in return. If that's the case I think its better to keep them.

Of course!! Last org was the Royals. ?‍♂️

Frank Thomas

I don't entirely discount having leaders in the clubhouse, I just take issue with bringing in bad and expensive baseball players to be "leaders" because they're someone the manager can point to and say "see he respects me so you should to too". I think a good chunk of the leadership problems can be pointed back at Pedro for being completely ineffective and not knowing how to do anything outside of being an ass-kisser.

Jerry dumped the scouts three years ago, including their own 29 year veteran scout after Jerry lost trillions during his owner led 2020 lockout. Sadly Dave died in May. https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/orlandosentinel/name/dave-yoakum-obituary?id=52267819 Jerry only has money for Brooks Boyer’s enormous ticket selling operation. People are done with his cheap ass Bulls operation as well. https://pippenainteasy.com/2023/11/21/bulls-poor-attendance-numbers-dramatic-changes/ Hope nobody buys another Sox or Bulls ticket until a Reinsdorf is no longer involved.

It's still not happening regardless of any ancient signing of the past. The team currently lacks talent and Cease is in demand . Trading him to multiply the talent base for future teams is a needed step. What does resigning him accomplish ? If jR is going to keep doing what he always does it makes no sense to have guys on the Sox making $25M+ per year if it prevent signing other guys. Hell the Sox couldn't finish off a rebuild because they were paying relief pitchers good salaries while their core layers were constantly injured and couldn't put multiple years of consistent high quality performances together . They didn't build any depth, couldn't draft or develop talent , and had no superstars and weren't willing to pay for any. No one can imagine JR paying like the Phillies do or finishing off rebuilds with high priced free agents like the Astros and Cubs did. He laughed at the idea of signing the most unique and marketable player the sport has seen in almost a century.

I'm certain he'll be fine with so many women and kids to console him.

Perez is a bad defender now, so going from old catcher that can't catch to slightly less old catcher that still can't catch BuT lEaDeRsHiP would be very on brand.

I would hope not, he should wait for the big FA pitchers to decide first

Its not enough for 2 years of a front line starter

Can you really trade Cease for a 2B???

Dylan Cease puts up an ERA of four and a half. Cease: “I would totally sign an 8 year $200 million contract today. I have no problem being paid money.” Thats the game with all those statements - of course he’d sign an extension if you paid him massively. They’re mostly meaningless, the only reason you don’t say that is if you hate the team you play for so much you’d never take their money.

They added a minor league reliever.

Might being the key word.

After signing one extension. Buerhle left going into the second extension.

I like this move. Hopefully he works hard this off-season and continues the positive trend. The downside is we're not exactly the destination for healthy playing.

Also, AAA bullpen fodder... https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/white-sox-sign-justin-anderson-to-minor-league-deal.html

Bruce Levine has said the White Sox are going to trade for pitching and defense this off season. If that's true why trade Cease the teams best pitcher? Getz should approach Cease and try to extend him and go on from there.

one of the best games ive been to, even though we lost

Seby was bad, but he had a flair for the dramatic. One or two games a year he did something cool.

and his feelings. poor tim.

Sorry for the delay, I am traveling and sort of forgot about this post. Very much appreciate your knowledge and specific insight into this issue. I lived in Berkeley for a bit and thought the Howard Terminal site was a perfect place for a ballpark and fit perfectly within the comprehensive redevelopment of that area; and despite some of those concessions you mention, I thought Oakland was getting fucked over just "giving away" the land to the A's. I hope they can find a better use for it, but my (biased) opinion is that a ballpark fit perfectly there. I was under the impression that the A's were too cheap to pay for environmental remediation or otherwise deal with California's regulatory environment (which, in some ways, is absurd and unwarranted and only the biggest corporations can comply with it...such as the A's). It doesn't surprise me that a California corporation would want to move its operations to Nevada. I assume Fisher is a logical person and stands to make more money from the move than if he stayed in Oakland. The East Bay is a giant market but the team did very little to ingratiate itself to its residents. My dad is from the East Bay and is a Giants fan because he was a teenager when the A's arrived, but his loyalty didn't change and I don't think the team did anything to actually foster a fanbase beyond having "Oakland" in their name. They could have and they still could, why not market the team like "hard hat and lunch pail", it's a similar ethos to Chicago and I think the two cities are very comparable, especially when you compare 'south side/north side' to 'Oakland/San Francisco'. There are two giant demographics in Chicago that live predominantly on the south (and west) side that the team could actually try to appeal to. Winning in the 70s is one thing, but a baseball team is a civic institution that should fill a larger role in the community. There's a lot that a baseball team could do for a city like Oakland to, not only ingratiate itself and develop a fanbase, but actually do something good in the city and region. I worry about the Sox for a similar reason. Although we have a longer history, the Sox do nothing on the south side and never addressed the demographic shift and so there's a giant market of potential baseball fans if they tried to do something about it. The diamond near my house was built by the Cubs and have their logos all over it. Why didn't the Sox do that? The street has numbers in the name. It seems like the perfect storm to move from Illinois to Tennessee if the city doesn't give them a sweetheart deal to redevelop that entire swathe of land around 35th/Shields or take over Soldier Field and develop Northerly Island or the former US steel site (a great location for a ballpark IMO).

They just salary dumped their starting 3B for garbage, what other evidence do you need?

I love that story!!!

This has to hurt TA's value.

Always go for quality over quantity

Also hit 14x the amount of homers

Forced to try to win is going with Lopez/DeJong? Yikes.

This guy can't hit. He will fit in perfectly.

We all knew this anyway, but man is this team going to be bad next year.

Names names names. How does the Lincoln Riley offense make a difference at the next level when none of the coaches are coaching the Lincoln Riley offense to these players. caleb isn’t even in the nfl and your weird obsession adds him to the list lmao

i just want someone to get Getz to admit JR didn't know what he was talking about and this is indeed another re-build. I just hope they don't tout this signing. The guy was released twice last year.

Lmaooooooooooo

Type of guy you race to sign in November so no one else can touch him?

Listen, Does he hit the ball hard? No Does he walk? No Does he make a lot of contact? No sorry I forgot where I was

Too small of a sample

Paul Dejong is a.192/.265/.353 hitter since the start of 2021

I don't understand the rationale behind signing Dejong and trading for Lopez and NOT giving a legit tryout to Sosa or Rodriguez.. Like... We KNOW DeJong and Lopez are garbage, let's see if either of our guys can be just as garbage.. but cheaper.

I agree with you on some of your points, and likely dislike the "Yuppies" you bring up as much as Bill "Die Yuppie Scum" Gleason from the Daily Southtown Economist on the Sports Writers on TV back in the day. In terms of the White Sox, their fan base are by and large historically working / middle class fans with families from the South, West and Near West Sides. Cubs gathered a lot of transplants, a good portion being college grads moving here after perhaps watching Harry and the Cubs for decades. Harry left the Sox because he wanted to reach all Chicagoans including those who couldn't afford Sportsvision/PPV/On-TV. We didn't even get a color TV until I believe a hand me down one in the late 70s or early 80s. In terms of Vegas, Paradise isn't a suburb, but more similar to unincorporated Cook County. Casinos built the Strip (south of Sahara) to avoid taxes paid to downtown Vegas, but the city and Clark County provide all government services (schools, police, water, etc.). Their original parcel was on the site of the trucker prostitute hotel/casino, Station Casinos owned Wild Wild West, which offered enough land to engage in these real estate developments you not in your post. I believe Days Inn managed the hotels before they ended up shutting down the site. However, the Stadium bill was not going to pass with the Culinary Union blocking it (the WWW site is owned by non-union Stations Casinos, whereas unions have deals with the Tropicana Hotel and most other Vegas casinos. So the legislature passed the revised bill, and the A's total land purchase shrunk from the WWW 49 acres (with an additional option to purchase more adjacent land) to the current 35 acres on The Strip. So there is still room for some development, but not to the extent the A's could have gotten at the Wild Wild West Site, and a small fraction of what they would have gotten with more capital up front at the Howard Terminal Proposal (stadium + 3,000 residential units plus 1.5 million square feet of commercial space + an indoor performance theater, a hotel with 400 rooms and 18 acres of open space. The A's bitched about the funding for the infrastructure and the portion of affordable housing subsidies for Howard Terminal, but got everything else they wanted, and ended up walking away from the much larger real estate play than what they ended up with in Las Vegas, all for the portion of the $352M of infrastructure the A's. So bottom line, their real estate footprint beyond the stadium is much smaller in Vegas, their television revenue will be smaller than their previous years, and while they will likely be able to charge a higher ticket cost per seat and get substantial skybox suite support from casinos, they will have trouble drawing over 2M after perhaps the first year or two between the location and small capacity, whereas they would have made a lot more overall revenue and capital appreciation at the Howard Terminal. I believe Fischer thought they would be able to get everything they wanted in Nevada, but after the Raiders experience, they didn't get nearly as much as they thought they would. I feel bad for Vegas getting Fischer after already being stuck with Mark Davis and his roster of seemingly weekly DUI players. I hope Oakland (or Montreal) gets one or both MLB expansion teams. I'm still not sold on the long term prospects in Nashville between the weather, culture, size of market and other factors, but I believe in the end it will be Nashville and Oakland approved, as Manfred is like Bettman in terms of hating Canada because they don't build stadiums for billionaires with taxpayer funds (well unless they get a hand-me-down Olympic Stadium). I have to laugh at Salt Lake City, Portland and Orlando being listed. https://www.si.com/mlb/athletics/news/oakland-reportedly-a-top-two-expansion-site-if-as-leave-for-las-vegas

I will not buy any more White Sox merch or pay to go to a game until Jerry Reinsdorf dies or sells the team.

We’ll see

He wouldn't dare, knowing fans could very likely be armed with guns hidden in their flabs of fat.

I have a question for the guys never giving up their season tickets despite being able to get tickets much cheaper closer to the date of the game. If Reinsdorf personally spit in your face when you walked through security, would you still renew?

Jerry purchased Comiskey Park, The Baseball Palace of the World. From the first day as owner he wanted to tear it down and replace it with either Saint Petersburg’s god-awful stadium or the Robert Taylor Homes West version he demanded. Could have completely refurbished the OG stadium. Could have been immersed in a neighborhood just like Wrigley as proposed in the Armour Square design. Could have still kept his garbage new proposal but faced the open OF concourse for views of the Chicago skyline. Nope, Jerry wanted the two worst possible proposals (TB or current stadium), surrounded completely by parking lots for max profits, or so he thought. Always penny smart dollar foolish. Jerry didn’t realize or appreciate what he purchased or where he purchased it. He was a carpetbagging Brooklyn Dodger fan seeking the biggest grift. Jerry literally destroyed the neighborhood south of the park, and cut off Bridgeport to the north and west. Not a fan of the Ricketts, but there is no comparison in terms of what these two owners did to a neighborhood, to or for their ball clubs, and for or against their fans.