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Absolutely. And that's why you won't see him rising through the organizational ranks anytime soon.

I believe it will be 7.3M less than what it was before

Maybe Lorenzen wanted nothing to do with our organization

These guys are on one. I've rarely heard such smoke blown up a fanbase's ass -- even for a JR joint.

I know it's easy to reflexively complain about player development during Getz's tenure (2017-2020), but putting fact to the assertion: 2017 - Burger, Sheets, Gonzalez Burger was developed to a starting MLB 3B. I'd call that a success. Sheets is a major leaguer, playing out of position. His hitting has regressed since his debut. Luis Gonzalez got 11 PA's with the 2021 White Sox, and Hahn tried sneaking him through waivers the next year. The Giants grabbed him up and started him for a few months. While it may not be the case that Sheets can be considered "developed", he has had success in the bigs. 2018 - Madrigal, Steele Walker, Pilkington Madrigal was rushed by the GM, then traded for Craig Kimbrel. While Madrigal hasn't set the league on fire, he is still top 5 in bWAR for that year's first round, and has out-produced the 3 players picked in front of him. Walker was sent to Texas for Nomar Mazara, and Pilkington was sent to Cleveland for Cesar Hernandez during the 2021 pennant push. Developing players to the level that other teams want to trade for them is one method of obtaining MLB players. 2019 - Vaughn, Thompson, Dahlquist Jury's still out on Vaughn. He was rushed, then played out of position for a couple of years. That was the GM's decision, not Getz's. Matt Thompson was brought to AA, and is considered by many, here, to be a grave loss for this organization, thanks to Getz's personal development of this player. Dahlquist has never really progressed. 2020 - Crochet, Kelly, Coffey Garret Crochet is our opening day starter. I'm not sure what else you could say about this development success. Kelly and Coffey are both notable bullpen prospects. Coffey having looked good in the AFL, and Kelly moving up to AA. 2021 - Monty, Kath, Burke Colson Montgomery is a top 20 in the game prospect. Having been overlooked in the draft, Monty's development is one of this organization's best success stories. Wes Kath hasn't caught on at any level. Sean Burke has pitched his way up to AAA by the end of his 2nd pro season before getting injured. He is also a success story. 2022 - Schultz, Pallette, Cannon Noah Schultz is a consensus top 100 prospect who is being brought along slowly. Pallette came back from injury, and Cannon will most probably pitch at AAA in his 3rd pro season. Out of these 6 drafts that cover the entirety of Getz's time as director of player development, I would say only 2 of the 18 have been development failures. The others you might cite as not hitting their ceilings with the Sox were either traded, or rushed by the previous regime. Burger, Madrigal, Vaughn and Crochet are contributing major leaguers. Thompson, Kelly, Coffey, Montgomery, Burke, Schultz, Pallette and Cannon are well-regarded prospects.

Fedde, Lopez, Maldonado, Pillar, DeJong. $30 million of bad.

Mxyzptlk

Might be the single dumbest comment I have ever heard in my entire life

Lol DeJong WAY safe on that. Regular season it'd be a quick overturn.

They already said last week he wasn't going to be ready and was going to Charlotte, at least for a while.

Burnes? Haha The funny thing to me watching Glasnow and Yamamoto these last two nights has been that Tyler has not once pitched 120+ innings and Yamamoto really seems to be tipping not only his pitches but his preferred sequences. Part three is that hitters don't swing and miss outside the zone so much against what looked to be great but not overwhelming stuff. Then again...the eyes of three countries upon him, biggest contract for a pitcher without ever having thrown a single pitch and losing your interpreter all in one one day. That's a lot to process. Let's at least give this 3-4 months before declaring him a bust. If he pitches with that lack of control...placement in the zone and getting behind constantly, things will be tough for him in the US....where his raw stuff is Top 10-15% vs. Top 1-2%.

OK, I hardly ever look at the screen names of people, basically go by the avatar. I thought the last bunch of posts were one guy having a conversation with himself ?

What players are making is only relevant to what teams are willing to spend. By all accounts, if Yamamoto is a bust, that isn't going to stop the Dodgers from replacing him with another high end pitcher. The White Sox? Not so much. Also, your logic isn't sound and in fact fairly dumb. You're inferring all of this is in a vacuum and the Dodgers just decided to offer him 325 million because they wanted to pay as much as possible. He was incredibly highly sought after because of his past performance. It's the exact same reason Erick Fedde signed a 2 year, 15 million dollar contract, that is what the market believed he was worth.

Just a shitbag thing to say.

Lopez and Maldonado obviously bad, but not exactly unexpected considering the way they were talking at the beginning of the offseason. Fedde is low risk potentially high-ish reward and I don’t see how this Lorenzen signing changes that. Should they have signed BOTH Fedde and Lorenzen? Probably! But speculating why they didn’t just feels like a waste of energy to me at this point ?‍♂️

This one could make the Fedde signing look bad by the end of the season. Waiting to hear the argument that Lorenzen wanted to pitch for a contender… Fine, but Getz still gave Fedde 2-years and $15 million ($10.5 million more in guaranteed money than this signing) and he has had much less major league success than Lorenzen.

If Fletcher is the starting RF and Toussaint the #5 starter, or both Shaw and Chavez make the bullpen... Actually, Lee was one of the best players in camp this spring and never even had a chance. Hearing crap like this actually has a NEGATIVE impact on ticket sales. Boyer's department must be considering a gag order at this point in the proceedings.

The worst that could happen is guys that should be in AAA are rushed to the majors when the team has holes that they waited until the last minute to fill and came up empty.

You're thinking of Caulfield

So I guess there's no obvious reason why Garret Crochet shouldn't get the extra day of rest given his long history as a reliable every time through the rotation starter and innings-eater.

I'm a bit excited for the second half of the season. Nastrini, Monty, Ramos and a few new bullpen arms will make it more bearable to endure the losing. When I was young there was always some thing to keep me interested. Would Jorge Orta Get his 70th RBI? Would Jim Kaat get his 20th win? The last 2 years I couldn't think of a damn thing that held my attention.

1 dog was really damn good from 93-97, just a triples machine and so fun to watch in the outfield

Great list of guys who weren't White Sox or sucked when they did tho.

I think if you're a bottom feeder you have to sign folks early. Imagine if the Sox were still in the bidding waiting on an arm. Where do you think the player will go? World Series team or Sox? He waits he has nothing and in a real man. They also have to overpay.

the hypocrisy was blatant from the very beginning. for most of this sport's history, gambling was pretty much the only thing that would actually get you blackballed from the sport. now the commentators cheerfully teach children about parleys and betting lines while grown men sob and scream in the stands because they've just lost their house over a ball game. have to hope that new laws are actually created to reign this in. on the federal level I mean.

Y'all just don't understand the greatness of Maldonado, Crochet wouldn't have had any success in the spring without him.

Rex Hudler is truly unlistenable.

Though i remembered seeing his fouled one off of his foot.

That seems so attendance based ... ignoring the falling impact of that single line revenue number vs. the combination of guaranteed national tv contracts as well as insulation provided from owning your own network vs. RSN collapses. SSHM keeps quoting that singular number of money in the coffers on the media side before even opening the gates. And certainly not spending on the front office, coaching or minor leagues (cutting teams/draft picks) and intl scouting or general operations.

That could definitely be part of it. But also, guys are mostly ramping up their arms in ST rather than going all out with maximum effort like in the regular season. Pitching in ST was still a risk with Cease but going into the regular season and letting him pitch would have been even riskier.

Bauer pitched like an ace for the Dodgers. His fall and termination had zero to do with his performance. I’m not sure what your point is with that one.

It's either wire fraud for Ohtani sending money directly to gamblers for a gambling debt, the end of Ohtani in MLB for gambling, or Ohtani didn't realize that this dude had access to his bank accounts and was stripping him of millions. I have the popcorn.

I don't disagree, but really what were your expectations with the shape the roster and org as a whole were in? I was resigned to this season being a lost year and one big shrug emoji before the offseason even began. Basically a year to just cross days off the calendar. The only truly important things this season are developing (and acquiring more) young talent. Oh, and getting Pedro fired. All of that can still happen, and will be way more interesting to follow throughout the year than anything involving the Pillars and DeJongs of the world.

I’m not a gambler. I don’t care about others gambling, but this kind of thing seems like the natural endpoint of all these leagues, teams, and individual players/celebrities getting in bed with the casinos/websites. Now the leagues will have to walk a tightrope when these incidents come up. They will have to decide who gets punished and who doesn’t, which will lead to conspiracy theories like the above posts. There will be accusations of hypocrisy. And you know what, they deserve it. Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

I have a feeling this post gets regular laugh reacts for the next two years.

for sure. I think it sends a good message about winning a job.

The Fedde signing is looking a hell of a lot better than $325 million for Yamamota. I know the Sox hit him really hard his ST game, and wasn't he rocked in other ST appearances. Then he got shelled like a peanut yesterday. I'm more than fine with $15 million for Fedde; it could be bust, but could end up being a steal.

IDK about Cora, but Bochy was right there. And they had the hiring graphic for Hinch. So nauseating.

I hope Garrett has a great year and proves everyone wrong. He is one of the reasons I will watch this team this year

It was only his second year as a starter so he was probably wearing down at that point.

The prior excuses for Getz failures player development were pegged by many on Hahn and Tony rushing unprepared players due to lack of ML depth. DH/1B Vaughn and Sheets slotted in corner OF roles and zero to minimal minor league development. Kopech / Crochet pulled from their acquired roles as Starters to fulfill La Russa bullpen fetish. These excuses ring hollow with these types of decisions, assuming Getz is the “One Baseball Decision Maker” in 2024. Have to believe most teams facing a similar situation with the current organizational roster would begin both Crochet (no professional starts, one 3 1/3 Tennessee Vol start in 2020) and Nastrini (19 1/3 AAA innings, 4 AAA starts) in AAA to start the season, and have sufficient starters who can give 3-5 innings as placeholders.

On what planet was Lorenzen ever discussed as having a potential nine figure contract?

Etched in my heart.

Personally, I would go Flexen and Nastrini. I don’t think Deivi Garcia is stretched out. I believe he is destined for the pen.

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-26-and-under-power-rankings-evaluating-all-30-teams-by-the-young-talent-in-their-organizations-from-the-rockies-to-no-1-155931913.html "If not for Luis Robert Jr. and Colson Montgomery, the White Sox would be dead last in our rankings. Those two in this organization are like that meme of a $2 million Bugatti in a raggedy driveway, though Andrew Vaughn probably doesn’t like that comparison. ... Montgomery is considered one of the best 15 or so prospects in the sport, an immensely talented left-handed bat with advanced plate discipline. He’s also a shortstop in name only, and most experts believe a move to third is inevitable. He leads an otherwise iffy system that was bolstered somewhat by the additions of Edgar Quero, Nick Nastrini and Jake Eder during last summer’s sell-off. Still, the infrastructure of this organization is so far behind the times that industry experts encouraged a general “rounding down” on most White Sox prospects who journey up the system. New GM Chris Getz has a ton of work to do." — J.M. https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-26-and-under-power-rankings-nos-10-6-reds-young-hitters-dodgers-young-pitchers-among-baseballs-best-153447432.html Still waiting #1-5, Orioles pretty obvious...Braves etc.

Jordan Montgomery...everyone assumed back to Texas.

No gun and back plate camera but looked to have a sharp breaking ball and was working ground balls or weak pop outs for the most part. Was around the plate which in spring can be meaningless imo as no real scouting reports either way on how to work guys. But stuff yea, was there.

I liked your post even though I'm one of the biggest proponents of JR sucks. That's mainly because you have to remind everyone just how many areas of running the Sox he actually affects. So while I wail about JR, I love talking actual baseball and consider myself on the optimistic side when opining about players. I gave the trade a B. Worth is so subjective but in my eyes Cease could be great again ( high worth) but his 2023 numbers in a vacuum hurt his value. Durability is not rated as highly as it should be. Texas paid for Degrom, a truly gifted pitcher who can't stay on the field ,yet Getz struggled to get high end prospects for Cease who has durability and awesome stuff and no one would be surprised to see him pitch closer to his 2022 numbers than 2023. I also think market conditions took a turn for the worse when trading for high end prospects. Not sure why, RSN problems perhaps affected the FA market more and FA contracts affected the value of high end prospects and prospects in general. Cease also was pretty worthless to the Sox in what surely would be a very bad team for his remaining 2 years. 3 prospects and an MLB reliever with 4 years of control is how many total years of control. 6,6,6,4 ? 22 years plus the years in the minors while they develop. But this is the part where we circle back to JR. If the player development staff for all Sox players, not just those in the minors, was as advanced and as helpful to prospects as the Dodgers system I'd feel even better about the trade. One last thing. Talking baseball requires analysis, experience, patience , knowledge and clear communicating. Message boards are more like X now, short outbursts, cruelty and brief comments. People no longer have the time nor inclination to make long posts " discussing" much of anything.

In high level athletics, male athletes ARE superior to female athletes. Not because "women aren't good" but because males are just bigger, stronger, and faster by nature. If this wasn't the case, they wouldn't be segregated into women's and men's athletics. So again, please don't confuse this with "every male is better than every female" because that's not what I am saying. My original statement was in reference to the best athletes in this country in men's sports not choosing soccer, sorry for not clarifying.